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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly: - NO Balance Whine. - NO Player Bashing. - NO Caster Bashing. - NO BM whatsoever. Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment. | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:36 Defacer wrote: And it's warm outside. Nothing motivates you to stay home and play Starcraft like the threat of Nuclear War with your neighbor to the north. I fixed that for you, you're welcome. I'm sorry, I had to. | ||
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:13 DamageControL wrote: Definitely true. It's just really weird to say that Nani is not worthy in any way of being in contention for best foreigner. For sure. he has a lot left to prove, though. Not sure about this.. Huk's runs in tournaments were very solid but (not to take anything away from him) I do think he got really lucky in some tournaments considering his brackets. Nani on the other hand had to go through pretty much the best of the best this MLG. Then again it is one tournament so I guess we'll see in the future. | ||
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Quiescence
Canada33 Posts
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:20 surda wrote: So what's the reason there are no good Australian players/events? Tell me... You did not. Just. Say that. mOOnGLaDe? 4th place at IEM World Championship and the highest placing foreigner at an event that included Fenix, MorroW, IdrA, qxc and others? The undisputed best Australian player by dominating every SEA tournament? The guy who has beaten HuK, SeleCT, Squirtle and many, many other great players? The guy who a couple of seasons ago was GM on US, SEA and Korea servers all at once? | ||
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darkest44
United States1009 Posts
On November 21 2011 10:57 sodapop wrote: Meh, worst final ever. Naniwa playing the same build every time. Leenock (cleverly) cheesing every time. It's sad for both players. Leenock just looks mediocre (but at least smart), and Naniwa stupid (but at least he looks skilled). Only to all the people who were dumb enough to only look at 1 set out of the 14 freaking sets he won this weekend. This had to be the stupidest LR thread I ever read during the finals, your post wasn't that bad but many were so much worse. Suddenly Leenock, who heroically fought through 13 mother fuckers, including many top players, just to get to the finals is "just a cheeser" "can only win on 1 base herpderp" blahblah just because he punished Naniwa doing the same greedy strat every single game regardless of map. People on TL bandwagon hate way too easy and for the stupidest damn reasons. Leenock won plenty of macro games throughout the tournament including vs freaking MVP with air zerg of all things. In GSL he has had many epic macro games and is known for them. Leenock is an incredibly good long game player, just because he wins a few games quickly vs a greedy FFE repeat build, doesn't suddenly erase all that. Anyone taking even one shred of credit from the guy or saying he didn't deserve to win this tournament is an asshat, anyone dare calling him just a "just a cheeser" or "would get owned in a macro game" (vs naniwa of all people? freakinglol) blahblah cause he rushed a greedy player is an asshat and a moron. Shame on all of you who flamed Leenock tonight. | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
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Jemesatui
Australia94 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:43 bokeevboke wrote: How many games did Leenock play in whole tournament? 39 games, 34 wins, 5 losses. Pretty damn good record | ||
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ptz
Romania251 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:43 bokeevboke wrote: How many games did Leenock play in whole tournament? he played a shitton, liquipedia for the right number, but he went 34-5 maps as i stated above, losing 3 to DRG and 1 to MMA and Naniwa. Notable players he 2-0d are MVP, Huk, Idra, Boxer, Slush, Haypro. | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17684 Posts
On November 21 2011 12:52 Canucklehead wrote: One of the best finals in recent memory. So glad the better and more deserving player won. Leenock read naniwa like a book. If you're going to forge fast expand every game, you deserve to lose for not adapting. Leenock is the sickest nerd baller this weekend. Well done leenocktopus!  And not just any FFE, but a Nexus first. | ||
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:06 Lavi wrote: Also the fact that leenock has some of the most crisp and active micro I've ever seen. I used to think DRG early game micro was insane, then leenock just owns him - badly. TBH, I don't think Nestea has that same confidence Leenock does in pulling that kind of stuff off. I also think you have to factor in the andrenaline high leenock musta been on. How the baneling bomb are you supposed to micro 4 xerglings against one zealot so well? It was a true showcase of leenock at his best, and that needs to be accounted for. Also, leenock was so smart by messing with naniwas FFE's. Naniwa clearly had it worked out really well and so the harassment made naniwa have to improvise and most of the time leenock came out on top, leading me to believe it wasnt really a safe build unless if bothplayers go for macro. Leenock also engages really well, he didnt actually do that too much in providence that i saw but normally in gsl he gets sick pincers | ||
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redloser
Korea (South)1738 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:43 bokeevboke wrote: How many games did Leenock play in whole tournament? I believe he's 34-5 in this tourney. hell lot of games :/ | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17684 Posts
On November 21 2011 12:56 DamageControL wrote: Did it look to anyone else like Leenock was not fully confident in his zvp? He's good, don't get me wrong, but his builds seemed designed to net him early advantages riskily. Did anyone think that maybe he was worried about an even macro game? Not to take anything away from him. It obviously worked. But I would only question whether he's capable of adapting against other tosses. Did you see him beat Huk? He did that to Naniwa cause his builds were too greedy and had to be punished early otherwise, well we saw what happened to NesTea. | ||
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Clbull
United Kingdom1439 Posts
A 4 - 1 roflstomp. And before you argue against this, name any GSL final in history that hasn't ended either 4 - 0 or 4 - 1. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:48 redloser wrote: I believe he's 34-5 in this tourney. hell lot of games :/ Wow, that's impressive | ||
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Scrandom
Canada2819 Posts
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Bippzy
United States1466 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:41 K3Nyy wrote: Not sure about this.. Huk's runs in tournaments were very solid but (not to take anything away from him) I do think he got really lucky in some tournaments considering his brackets. Nani on the other hand had to go through pretty much the best of the best this MLG. Then again it is one tournament so I guess we'll see in the future. Naniwa started out by beating mvp and then nestea. Id say hes proven he can play with the big boys, but not in the same way that say...leenock can. Naniwa is more like stephano, where that get styles for matchups that work really really well forthem and then they tear shit up at tournaments. But if someone goes blue flame hellion vs steph or messes with naniwas cannon contain, it gets messy. If anything, naniwa performs well under pressure and has good macro and decision making(if he safely gets an expand) | ||
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Azarkon
United States21060 Posts
On November 21 2011 13:19 bRiz wrote: Koreans are incredibly nationalistic, just like everyone else in the world. I do remember Seoul receiving a warning from the UN about nationalistic views though. And after living here for quite awhile, you definitely see and experience it, though you'd get a similar experience moving to the southern US. It's something that makes working with my Korean co-workers difficult at times, because I never accept their views, I always fight them, haha. It's mostly the older generation though, the younger ones are generally more informed. Also, I suspect a great many posters here are posting about Koreans while actually never having lived in Korea. You really can't support either stance in that case. Great finals though, Leenock really earned it! Not everyone in the world. I'd say that many parts of the Western world are very liberal and globalist, even anti-nationalist, which is part of the reason there are so many of these "don't cheer for players because of where they're from" posts around TL. I'd also say that on the scale of nationalism, Koreans and people in the American South rank pretty high up in the list. | ||
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