EPTMLG Providence Day 3 Live Report Thread - Page 875
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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly: - NO Balance Whine. - NO Player Bashing. - NO Caster Bashing. - NO BM whatsoever. Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
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McFeser
United States2458 Posts
On November 21 2011 04:02 pyro19 wrote: 12 pages in a space of 10 secs...screaming hayproooooooooooooooooooooooooooo This is what happened when Haypro beat Nestea btw. 172ish it started. If anyone wants a smile on their face read that, especially after how sour this thread has turned recently. | ||
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vojnik
Macedonia923 Posts
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EchoZ
Japan5041 Posts
How did Haypro beat Nestea and MVP? | ||
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Die4Ever
United States17671 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:24 vojnik wrote: man this kid is gonna score in high school big time I'd totally do him if I was a girl. | ||
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theboyrmca
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Kelethius
Canada187 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:25 EchoZ wrote: Yeah! Leenock :D/ How did Haypro beat Nestea and MVP? HOLY CRAP i didnt even realize that.... Haypro beats select, kiwi, and nestea and takes a game off mvp. Wow | ||
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Trsjnica
United States477 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:33 Kelethius wrote: HOLY CRAP i didnt even realize that.... Haypro beats select, kiwi, and nestea and takes a game off mvp. Wow Yeah, he was on fire today. I hope he can keep this form up. Just finished watching finals--great play for Leenock to always pressure the FFE (in different ways--roaches, 6 pool, etc) and not like Naniwa execute his build order as planned. It's amazing how crushing Naniwa looked against DRG and Nesta, but how mortal he looked against Leenock. | ||
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Spaceneil8
United States317 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:33 Kelethius wrote: HOLY CRAP i didnt even realize that.... Haypro beats select, kiwi, and nestea and takes a game off mvp. Wow He almost beat MVP too. He was incredibly ahead on the game on shattered and on metal there was a point were he was maxed and MVP was at 112 and Haypro could have attacked and won. | ||
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bugsybins
Brazil29 Posts
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babylon
8765 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:33 Kelethius wrote: HOLY CRAP i didnt even realize that.... Haypro beats select, kiwi, and nestea and takes a game off mvp. Wow NesTea vs. Haypro wasn't shown, but the MVP vs. Haypro series was pretty damn good. And the game he took off MVP was in a macro game. He could've actually won the series 2-0 but made a botched counter-attack in the second game, and in the third-game he was soooooo ahead after breaking a sick contain from MVP (good god, I thought Haypro was dead there, but he broke through), but didn't go for the throat when he needed to (when MVP had like no army left but a few Thors). Sadness. He definitely could've beat MVP though. Such sick performance by Haypro this MLG. Sick sick sick. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:41 Spaceneil8 wrote: He almost beat MVP too. He was incredibly ahead on the game on shattered and on metal there was a point were he was maxed and MVP was at 112 and Haypro could have attacked and won. Yup, it was very unfortunate. x-x | ||
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VirgilSC2
United States6151 Posts
He's probably on his way back to the GSL where HayZeniprO will roll out, and crush Mujuk. 2012: The Year of the Banjo | ||
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chipmonklord17
United States11944 Posts
If at any point Haypro got NP he would have easily won as well. It was such a shame, after that brake out of the contain I was a believer | ||
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Jeremy Reimer
Canada968 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:05 DontLoseSightOfIt wrote: People who think hard work is all thats needed to be at the top, Im sorry to say, but they simply do not have talents. That is why they want to think they have what it takes to reach the top, purely by practising billions of times. In reality though, talents are important too. In football, Cristiano Ronaldo is an example of hard work AND talent. Talent is nothing without hard work, but that does not mean talent isn't needed. You need both of course. But going back on topic.... An example would be, if you have talent and hard work = C.Ronaldo If you hard work a lot and practice a lot = David Villa or someone else. The thing is, it is just as easy to say that "People who think that talent is what is needed to be at the top, I'm sorry to say, but they simply do not put in hard work. That's why they want to think that they could never be at the top, even if they practiced billions of times." For your example of Ronaldo and David Villa, do you know how much Ronaldo practiced? Including all the hours he practiced as a child? Do you know if it's more or less than David Villa? Whenever things like this are measured, there tends to be a correlation between the amount of practice and the results. That's where the magic "10,000 hours" comes from: In one study conducted by Psychologist K. Anders Ericcson done at the Academy of Music in Berlin three groups of violinists were studied. The first group had stars pupils, the second had good students and the third had students who would probably never play professionally. The groups started out at the age of 5 and in the beginning they all practiced roughly the same amount of time for the first few years. Around eight years of age the difference in commitment to the craft started to become obvious. Here are the numbers of hours per week and by age practiced by those who would go on to become stars: 5 years old = 2-3 hours 9 years old = 6 hours 12 years old = 8 hours 14 years old = 16 hours 21 years old = 30 hours By the age of 21 the elite violinists had each practiced a total of 10,000 hours. Ericcson went on to look at professional pianists and found the same to be true. By the age of twenty, the amateur pianists had logged a total of 2,000 hours of practice while the elite pianists had reach the 10,000 hour mark. In the book Outliers, Malcolm Gladwell puts forth the premise that to be an expert in your field requires a devotion to one’s craft for at least 10,000 hours. Gladwell and other elites cited in the book challenge the premise that genius or being gifted is a matter of innate talent. In fact, closer analysis of success stories prove out that the element of innate talent plays a lesser role in achieving expert status than one might think. Gladwell also points out something quite fascinating and worth remembering. In his study, Ericcson didn’t find any ‘naturals’ or prodigies who effortlessly mastered their instrument. Neither did Ericcson find ordinary people who worked harder than anyone else and yet never made it to the top. (My emphasis) So, okay, this is just for musicians, and maybe it doesn't carry over to other things. But then just a few posts above mine, someone posted a statistic of Leenock practicing literally four times as much as anyone else in a single Starcraft 2 season. At the very very top, other issues can come into play, such as psychological issues and mind games. This is what makes sports entertaining. The outcome isn't predetermined. There is also the large factor of luck, which can't be disregarded. But this has nothing to do with "talent". The main problem I have with the word "talent" is that it is never defined. A player has "talent" because he plays better and wins. And then people say he played better and won because he had "talent". It's a circular definition. But outside of Stephano, there is literally nobody on the top Starcraft stages that doesn't practice more than any of their peers, consistently. And even outliers like Stephano have not proven that they can maintain their level for any length of time. I'd be really curious to see how Stephano fares over time. | ||
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zZygote
Canada898 Posts
But in all honesty, it's just not possible for anyone, to become a pro. A 16yr old champion was just born, and he's not the first of his kind also, think of Flash or Jaedong. Innate talent definitely has a role in becoming a successful player. | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:42 babylon wrote: NesTea vs. Haypro wasn't shown, but the MVP vs. Haypro series was pretty damn good. And the game he took off MVP was in a macro game. He could've actually won the series 2-0 but made a botched counter-attack in the second game, and in the third-game he was soooooo ahead after breaking a sick contain from MVP (good god, I thought Haypro was dead there, but he broke through), but didn't go for the throat when he needed to (when MVP had like no army left but a few Thors). Sadness. He definitely could've beat MVP though. Such sick performance by Haypro this MLG. Sick sick sick. I don't understand why MVP doesn't play 'MMA-style' TvZ more often. The one recent time he showcased that style, against Annyeong in G3 of the WCG, it was absolutely devastating. Instead, he tries to play passively all the time with the goal of outmacro'ing the Zerg mixed with some hellion harass. He only wins these games due to his game sense, because there are plenty of times where the Zerg outmacros him, but MVP pulls off a brilliant timing and wins in the end. Terrans will never outmacro a decent Zerg, period. When his game sense fails him, like in G1 against Leenock...well, we saw what happened. It's like he's trying to copy Light's style of TvZ in BW, but this isn't BW, and he isn't Light. -_- | ||
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Vul
United States685 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:48 Jeremy Reimer wrote: The thing is, it is just as easy to say that "People who think that talent is what is needed to be at the top, I'm sorry to say, but they simply do not put in hard work. That's why they want to think that they could never be at the top, even if they practiced billions of times." For your example of Ronaldo and David Villa, do you know how much Ronaldo practiced? Including all the hours he practiced as a child? Do you know if it's more or less than David Villa? Whenever things like this are measured, there tends to be a correlation between the amount of practice and the results. That's where the magic "10,000 hours" comes from: (My emphasis) So, okay, this is just for musicians, and maybe it doesn't carry over to other things. But then just a few posts above mine, someone posted a statistic of Leenock practicing literally four times as much as anyone else in a single Starcraft 2 season. At the very very top, other issues can come into play, such as psychological issues and mind games. This is what makes sports entertaining. The outcome isn't predetermined. There is also the large factor of luck, which can't be disregarded. But this has nothing to do with "talent". The main problem I have with the word "talent" is that it is never defined. A player has "talent" because he plays better and wins. And then people say he played better and won because he had "talent". It's a circular definition. But outside of Stephano, there is literally nobody on the top Starcraft stages that doesn't practice more than any of their peers, consistently. And even outliers like Stephano have not proven that they can maintain their level for any length of time. I'd be really curious to see how Stephano fares over time. I agree, I remember reading once that Kobe Bryant is one of the hardest working players in the NBA, even waking up at 5 am to practice during family vacations. About Stephano, it's likely to me that he practices a lot more than he lets on. Especially given your post, I find it hard to believe that he practices about a quarter or half as much as other players and yet has improved so much that he's one of the best foreigners. | ||
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Keyz1
Canada94 Posts
CHAMPION. | ||
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ETisME
12387 Posts
On November 21 2011 14:48 Jeremy Reimer wrote: ......... But outside of Stephano, there is literally nobody on the top Starcraft stages that doesn't practice more than any of their peers, consistently. And even outliers like Stephano have not proven that they can maintain their level for any length of time. I'd be really curious to see how Stephano fares over time. too long to quote. Then may I ask, how would you explain some genius like Testla? or talents like absolute pitch? | ||
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