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Here we go again. This weekend is about good games and good fun. Don't rain on that parade. Play nice guys. Here's the very standard and friendly:

- NO Balance Whine.
- NO Player Bashing.
- NO Caster Bashing.
- NO BM whatsoever.

Breaking these rules (from pg 166 forward) will be met with severe punishment.
MacWorld
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden227 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 07:20:57
November 21 2011 07:19 GMT
#17521
As Alexander Karelin once said "I train every day of my life as they have never trained a day in theirs".

Or as a Swedish reporter said to Ingemar Stenmark when he won by a slight margin:
"- You were lucky there, weren´t you?"
"- You know, the funny thing is, the more I practice the luckier I tend to be".
xAPOCALYPSEx
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
1418 Posts
November 21 2011 07:21 GMT
#17522
On November 21 2011 15:22 Dante08 wrote:
I missed almost the entire mlg cause of work but holy fuck leenock's run was super impressive. Can someone recap the final games? The last 5-10 pages were all discussing talent vs practice -.-

Naniwa went for risky builds (FFE or even nexus first FFE) every single game and got punished every single game (except for the one he won lol)
s3183529
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia707 Posts
November 21 2011 07:26 GMT
#17523
This talent vs training thing is old. Training is the most important, but talent will give you a slight edge. It's just like studying at school, some dudes don't even need to study and still get A quite easily, some others study really hard to get A.
JustPassingBy
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
10776 Posts
November 21 2011 07:34 GMT
#17524
I cannot believe leenock took all this, mad respect for him!
Big J
Profile Joined March 2011
Austria16289 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 07:41:47
November 21 2011 07:40 GMT
#17525
On November 21 2011 16:26 s3183529 wrote:
This talent vs training thing is old. Training is the most important, but talent will give you a slight edge. It's just like studying at school, some dudes don't even need to study and still get A quite easily, some others study really hard to get A.

but that's just an extreme simplyfication. The same guys that hardly have to learn are always the ones that participate the most in classes and often times know things about the school topics before they are being taught. So imo it is always purely a result of learnings, even though some education (parenting, attitudes like diligence...) clearly give a person advanteges that another person might never be able to catch up to. - which people then call "talent", while it is simply a result of learnings
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
November 21 2011 07:48 GMT
#17526
Wow I went to bed when they just started the Bo7, after leenock won the Bo3 and bloody hell. That kid has some amazing stamina O.O.

Mad props to Naniwa too, easily the top non korean now.
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 07:50:58
November 21 2011 07:50 GMT
#17527
On November 21 2011 16:40 Big J wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 16:26 s3183529 wrote:
This talent vs training thing is old. Training is the most important, but talent will give you a slight edge. It's just like studying at school, some dudes don't even need to study and still get A quite easily, some others study really hard to get A.

but that's just an extreme simplyfication. The same guys that hardly have to learn are always the ones that participate the most in classes and often times know things about the school topics before they are being taught. So imo it is always purely a result of learnings, even though some education (parenting, attitudes like diligence...) clearly give a person advanteges that another person might never be able to catch up to. - which people then call "talent", while it is simply a result of learnings


This is behaviourism and in this pure form it's been given up on long ago. Genetics play a large role, both in shaping your personality and things like your IQ.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
November 21 2011 07:53 GMT
#17528
Congrats to leenock, some pretty dominant games in many different styles.

Is it confirmed that NaNiwa got Code S? Too many pages for me to read through to find it.

ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
November 21 2011 07:56 GMT
#17529
On November 20 2011 06:01 Alpina wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 20 2011 05:58 Scrandom wrote:
Leenock is stealthing his way through the brackets, no one is mentioning him


that guy is a beast i wouldn't be surprised if he won whole event.


I guessed on day 2 that leenock could take everything

congratz to him!
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
November 21 2011 07:57 GMT
#17530
This MLG was just epic. Not only did Naniwa prove himself to be the nr 1 non korean sc2 player in the world, but Hayder had an amazing run in the loser bracket, MC got knocked out and Idra just plain failed so hard. He only beat his teamm8 puma and then raged so hard he did not even play his placementmatch.

As for the naniwa hate for dissing Nestea. Nestea has been talked up so much and when asked a question he just said what he tought was correct. And to be honest. Naniwa beat Nestea in 2 bo3 series this weekend and nestea also got knocked out by Hayder who hasent really impressed anyone previously. Also his run in the GSL was not that good either recently. So Naniwa was right, especially when he said that Lennock was a much better zerg.

And foreigners has proven now that even though korea is still nr 1, the space between is not that big anymore and no korean can feel safe playing the top foreigners like Huk and Naniwa.

Cant get any better then that!!
Latty
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany567 Posts
November 21 2011 08:04 GMT
#17531
seriously, watching leenock's games made me feel good. felt so right when he beat boxer after that bunker rush, when he completely outplayed MVP when he won 3 games straight against DRG and dominating the finals. ahh great stuff! awesome micro / macro this weekend from leenock, absolutely played his a-game
"Nice, *claps* gogo kill kill, yeah bane speed, nice EU Power" Dimaga
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
November 21 2011 08:04 GMT
#17532
On November 21 2011 11:04 Warrior Madness wrote:
12-0 - Open Bracket
2-0: Boxer
2-0: Haypro
2-0: Slush
2-1: MMA
2-0: Idra
2-0: Huk
2-0: MVP
4-3: DRG
4-1: Naniwa


I am so freaking happy for Leenock.

That kid couldn't just catch a break in GSL for a long time. Getting to up and down matches and facing top GSL players every single time. Getting knocked down to code A and at some point even getting knocked out of code A.

And now his da fakking man!

HUGE GZ LEENOCK!!!!!!!

Someone make a documentary how the little chubby zerg got the worst possible draws in GSL, got knocked down over and over again by the big boys, then came to the biggest MLG of them all and just crushed his way through the tournament!

And the fact that he beat Nani which I just have a hard time watching and liking... epic!

Leenock FIGHTING!!!!!
ThatGuy89
Profile Joined February 2011
United Kingdom1968 Posts
November 21 2011 08:08 GMT
#17533
so does naniwa get the code S spot?

i cant believe leenock won this. He was playing really well but the way naniwa beat nestea twice and then DRG i thought he was gonna smash leenock if he met him in the finals

huge props to leenock, definitely made some new fans here
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
November 21 2011 08:09 GMT
#17534
On November 21 2011 13:52 Clbull wrote:
Leenock vs Naniwa felt like a typical GSL final.

A 4 - 1 roflstomp. And before you argue against this, name any GSL final in history that hasn't ended either 4 - 0 or 4 - 1.


Nestea vs MKP GSL 2.

4-3
Flowjo
Profile Joined March 2011
United States928 Posts
November 21 2011 08:11 GMT
#17535
On November 21 2011 10:53 soulist wrote:
Cheese zerg wins MLG. GG


your name explains your comment rofl....
IMNestea's biggest fan.
zaii
Profile Joined October 2010
Guam2611 Posts
November 21 2011 08:13 GMT
#17536
On November 21 2011 16:57 purpose wrote:
This MLG was just epic. Not only did Naniwa prove himself to be the nr 1 non korean sc2 player in the world, but Hayder had an amazing run in the loser bracket, MC got knocked out and Idra just plain failed so hard. He only beat his teamm8 puma and then raged so hard he did not even play his placementmatch.

As for the naniwa hate for dissing Nestea. Nestea has been talked up so much and when asked a question he just said what he tought was correct. And to be honest. Naniwa beat Nestea in 2 bo3 series this weekend and nestea also got knocked out by Hayder who hasent really impressed anyone previously. Also his run in the GSL was not that good either recently. So Naniwa was right, especially when he said that Lennock was a much better zerg.

And foreigners has proven now that even though korea is still nr 1, the space between is not that big anymore and no korean can feel safe playing the top foreigners like Huk and Naniwa.

Cant get any better then that!!


ppl on TL/reddit hating on him for bming Nestea, While Naniwa lost the favor of the live audience by calling MLG a joke.

at least that's what I've seen so far.
ALPINA
Profile Joined May 2010
3791 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-21 08:22:48
November 21 2011 08:22 GMT
#17537
By the way why finals where extended series? I do not recall them playing before..
You should never underestimate the predictability of stupidity
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4641 Posts
November 21 2011 08:23 GMT
#17538
On November 21 2011 15:08 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 15:00 zZygote wrote:
But in all honesty, it's just not possible for anyone, to become a pro. A 16yr old champion was just born, and he's not the first of his kind also, think of Flash or Jaedong. Innate talent definitely has a role in becoming a successful player.


But in the last page, someone posted statistics of that 16 year old champion practicing literally four times as much as the average GM player on the Korean server.

Flash and Jaedong also practiced more than their peers.

Obviously, it's not possible for anyone to become a pro, simply because there are a limited number of pro seats available. This is the same in any sport. There is only so much money available in sponsorship and so only so many seats at the table for pro players to be on a team.

But it would be interesting to see (and with B.Net it should be possible to determine this)-- are there any players in Korea who played as many or more ladder games as Leenock who did not end up becoming pro players?

Actually Flash is known for playing very few practice games.
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Carush
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
November 21 2011 08:24 GMT
#17539
On November 21 2011 17:22 Alpina wrote:
By the way why finals where extended series? I do not recall them playing before..

they played before and nani 2-0d him and thats how he got into the lower bracket and ended up playing drg
Carush
Profile Joined June 2011
United States356 Posts
November 21 2011 08:25 GMT
#17540
On November 21 2011 17:23 Hittegods wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 21 2011 15:08 Jeremy Reimer wrote:
On November 21 2011 15:00 zZygote wrote:
But in all honesty, it's just not possible for anyone, to become a pro. A 16yr old champion was just born, and he's not the first of his kind also, think of Flash or Jaedong. Innate talent definitely has a role in becoming a successful player.


But in the last page, someone posted statistics of that 16 year old champion practicing literally four times as much as the average GM player on the Korean server.

Flash and Jaedong also practiced more than their peers.

Obviously, it's not possible for anyone to become a pro, simply because there are a limited number of pro seats available. This is the same in any sport. There is only so much money available in sponsorship and so only so many seats at the table for pro players to be on a team.

But it would be interesting to see (and with B.Net it should be possible to determine this)-- are there any players in Korea who played as many or more ladder games as Leenock who did not end up becoming pro players?

Actually Flash is known for playing very few practice games.

this is true and jaedong is known for practicing an absurd amout (i read once he in a interview he said he practiced until his eyes bled)

different players are different
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