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well it's going in the right direction I guess..was worse last time.
The C group is rly hard to predict. I guess the B group is my favourite one tho, it will be funny.
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Gackt_
335 Posts
8 Z 5 P well it's going in the right direction I guess..was worse last time. The C group is rly hard to predict. I guess the B group is my favourite one tho, it will be funny. | ||
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trikshun
United States437 Posts
On October 28 2011 07:54 mrtomjones wrote: Uh Clide deserves to be in Code S. He is one of the better Terrans. And Killer was the only protoss to make it out | ||
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Brotatolol
United States1742 Posts
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Sarang
Australia2363 Posts
On October 28 2011 06:38 PrinceXizor wrote: Can't wait for Clide + Sangho to rightfully drop out of Code S ^^ should be replaced by forgg + creator. ^^ You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Clide definitely deserves to be code S. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
Only 5 protoss  but I'm sure we can make a strong stand! | ||
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ZerO_0
United States137 Posts
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DaCheF
United States305 Posts
On October 28 2011 05:46 Terranist wrote: what makes you so sure? ryung almost always does 1 rax gasless FE vs protoss. Ryung said during the show that Puma has been teaching him sick 111 builds | ||
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adiga
495 Posts
Seriously having to go through 2 group stages against the best players just to secure a spot for Code S? that will be impossible for a new player that just arrived to korea cos think about how many different players he will face(at least 5 players) at this group stages thats insane. Add to that to the thing that I don't see anyway Gomtv handing out prize money for 8 players that what only they have done is to manage to get to Code S from Code A. So the prize money is almost for certain out of reach. PLUS the 2 months long tournament. It seems like only 8 players staying in Code S is way too harsh and it's sooooo easy to place 3rd or 2nd at the first group stages specially with the current format of the BO1 shit thing, I mean it's kind of a 70% luck based with the selections and match ups at a players group. I DON'T KNOW I know something must have been done about the Terran dominance in the GSL but it seems too radical of a change just to get a balance between races(which I don't see this format managing to accomplish and I pretty sure that it's will stay the same cos korean terran players are better imo). I don't see how they will manage to go back into an older format if this one won't work. And last but not least, keeping a tournament running for another almost a month after the grand finals sounds ify, I personally think I'll stop watching the rest of the season or maybe just watch my favored players matches only. I DON'T KNOW. well, time will tell | ||
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WigglingSquid
5194 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:44 adiga wrote: I feel like this will defiantly not courage foreigners trying to get into Code S. Seriously having to go through 2 group stages against the best players just to secure a spot for Code S?[...] I think this is not too much of a problem: foreigners already move to Korea exclusively to train, I suppose; an investment in their skill set for a better career chance back in the West, if you will. I have not run any numbers, but I am quite certain that, currently, it is just more economically feasible to run in western tournaments rather than Code S. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:44 adiga wrote: I feel like this will defiantly not courage foreigners trying to get into Code S. Seriously having to go through 2 group stages against the best players just to secure a spot for Code S? that will be impossible for a new player that just arrived to korea cos think about how many different players he will face(at least 5 players) at this group stages thats insane. Add to that to the thing that I don't see anyway Gomtv handing out prize money for 8 players that what only they have done is to manage to get to Code S from Code A. So the prize money is almost for certain out of reach. PLUS the 2 months long tournament. It seems like only 8 players staying in Code S is way too harsh and it's sooooo easy to place 3rd or 2nd at the first group stages specially with the current format of the BO1 shit thing, I mean it's kind of a 70% luck based with the selections and match ups at a players group. I DON'T KNOW I know something must have been done about the Terran dominance in the GSL but it seems too radical of a change just to get a balance between races(which I don't see this format managing to accomplish and I pretty sure that it's will stay the same cos korean terran players are better imo). I don't see how they will manage to go back into an older format if this one won't work. And last but not least, keeping a tournament running for another almost a month after the grand finals sounds ify, I personally think I'll stop watching the rest of the season or maybe just watch my favored players matches only. I DON'T KNOW. well, time will tell as easy as it is to drop out of CODE S, it can also be said its Easy to make it back into code S if dropping out of code S is easy. | ||
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MonkSEA
Australia1227 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:44 adiga wrote: I feel like this will defiantly not courage foreigners trying to get into Code S. Seriously having to go through 2 group stages against the best players just to secure a spot for Code S? that will be impossible for a new player that just arrived to korea cos think about how many different players he will face(at least 5 players) at this group stages thats insane. Add to that to the thing that I don't see anyway Gomtv handing out prize money for 8 players that what only they have done is to manage to get to Code S from Code A. So the prize money is almost for certain out of reach. PLUS the 2 months long tournament. It seems like only 8 players staying in Code S is way too harsh and it's sooooo easy to place 3rd or 2nd at the first group stages specially with the current format of the BO1 shit thing, I mean it's kind of a 70% luck based with the selections and match ups at a players group. I DON'T KNOW I know something must have been done about the Terran dominance in the GSL but it seems too radical of a change just to get a balance between races(which I don't see this format managing to accomplish and I pretty sure that it's will stay the same cos korean terran players are better imo). I don't see how they will manage to go back into an older format if this one won't work. And last but not least, keeping a tournament running for another almost a month after the grand finals sounds ify, I personally think I'll stop watching the rest of the season or maybe just watch my favored players matches only. I DON'T KNOW. well, time will tell Foreigners aren't all that matters to GOM. They want the best of the best playing in their Code S tournament. And if players are only hanging on to their Code S medallions from sheer luck in their Bo1's then this format will punish them, and create new openings for more skilled players to poke their heads into Code S. The direct seeding into the up/downs gives foreigners a chance to make it into Code S directly, or just into Code A. So I think it encourages Foreigners a lot more then just getting seeded into Code A. Also a lot of foreigners aren't discouraged to join the GSL because of the format, their discouraged because they aren't like Koreans; They haven't tried practice a million hours a day, 5-7 days a week, and it's in a different country with a different language, so home sickness and the language barrier deters them away from living the Korean pro-gaming style. Only the people who are truly dedicated to performing well do this. That is why I, specifically, want to see Incontrol over in Korea to learn how to get better. Also nothing is impossible, you say a new player in Korea has to go through 5 players just to maintain code S level.. I don't know what you're saying.. You can only get Code S from making your way through Code A or the Up/Downs, and if you do make it there then why should Code S be easy to get into and maintain? Isn't it the most prestigious tournament rank in SC2 at this moment? Why should you be easily able to get in, and stay in? Also GomTV paid everyone in Code S over this last year. The further they make it the more they got. They paid people in Code A too, but not nearly as much as Code S. So EVERYONE used to get prize money, I'm not sure now. Any source on only the top 8 get money? I would of thought that it would of remained the same, maybe they would of taken out paying the Code A guys since there is so many of them. Also 12 players from Code A get into Code S automatically from the Ro.24 and the losers go into the Up/Down's, 12 players come out of the Up/Down's and 8 players remain in Code S after making it out of the group stages. + Show Spoiler + Add to that to the thing that I don't see anyway Gomtv handing out prize money for 8 players that what only they have done is to manage to get to Code S from Code A. So the prize money is almost for certain out of reach. What are you trying to say here? I can't quite understand. 12 players make it out of Code A directly into Code S. I love watching pro-gamers push themselves, and strive, to be the best player in the world. Not just the foreign scene. The prize money should be the least of their concerns when they're playing. Money matters to most people, but money doesn't really matter to the players who want to do well. 2 months in Korea, in the most prestigious tournament in SC2 should be motivation to do well. It just shows that foreigners who participate in this are pretty dedicated, this is entirely opinion based. Also before you start sprouting a post about the new format get some of your facts straight. It's Bo3's, as John said on the stream. So it's not 70% based on luck, it's based on skill. And can you link a source as to anyone of note-worthy saying that this new format is meant to balance the races? To me it's to weed out the inferior players in Code S that are hanging on because they win 2 bo1's to stay in Code S. I personally don't mind how long the tournament is. It just gives players enough time to rest, prepare for their opponent(s). This to me, allows us to see high level play from them since they should be at their peaks. Obviously the will give this format a few chances to prove it's worth. It's going to take some getting used to from a spectators perspective but I think overall it's a great way to weed out the weaker Code S players and replace them with the stronger Code A players. It's all to have a tournament where you have to always play your best otherwise you're out of GSL all together. You NEED to perform well or you're out. It also gives a lot of other low profile players that struggle in qualifiers to show their play on TV and earn them some fans since there's 20 players coming out of the offline qualifiers. I just don't see how this format can do bad. Also.. Articulate your response with correct facts next time if you want to have a decent argument as to why you don't like the new format. Bo1's aren't in GSL any more as far as anyone knows since John said group stages are Bo3's. Up/Down's might be bo1's but I'm sure they will be Bo3's too since Group stages are. Also 3rd & 4th go to Code A not 2nd & 3rd. Also try not to say you don't know something when trying to state your opinion, it just makes you look uninformed. Edit: I was uninformed. I have to cross check my own facts now | ||
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Lewan72
United States381 Posts
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babylon
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red4ce
United States7313 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 28 2011 09:01 Sarang wrote: You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Clide definitely deserves to be code S. Neither of them have shown themselves to be consistant enough to be in Code S sangho gets of groups in code S by beating polt twice in pretty poor fashion, and then loses to anyone else. he's definitely not good enough to keep in Code S long with this new setup, and if he is, he has yet to show it. as for clide, meh he also only shows good games against good players and tends to only beat the bad ones in really dumb ways. he has the capability but he hasn't gotten over a hump. and he is certainly not top 8 or 16 in code S and so he will likely drop into Code A after the first round, whether or not he is able to get past the difficult code A bracket, who knows. but i don't think we'll see him or sangho in code S next season, and sangho probably not at all. | ||
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Leifish
851 Posts
Hopefully they'll change everything to Bo3's and less round-robin for next year's GSL tournaments. But aside from that issue, this is as pristine as GSL could have gotten. Really loving this format! | ||
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kofman
Andorra698 Posts
On October 28 2011 11:32 red4ce wrote: Looks like group E is the toughest one this time around. Bomber and DRG are superbeasts while Happy and Gumiho are skilled too but not well known. Both Bomber and DRG are overrated. They haven't proven themselves in the GSLs. Happy is probably the best in the group, hes just overshadowed by MVP. | ||
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alan25
United States379 Posts
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PrinceXizor
United States17713 Posts
On October 28 2011 11:57 kofman wrote: Both Bomber and DRG are overrated. They haven't proven themselves in the GSLs. Happy is probably the best in the group, hes just overshadowed by MVP. Bomber RO16 wins vs huk and violet once RO8 (1 game from top 4) wins vs byun MC polt and kyrix that + the respect he commands by most of the korean pro scene is enough for me. not to mention his worst matchup is TvT with a 63% winrate and both of them beat the hell out of sangho at every opportunity so they clearly belong there more than him. | ||
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