On November 07 2011 23:15 iaguz wrote: TargA couldn't go because he had exams. We were going to send YoonYJ instead but then AZKWitchdoc decided not to let a QUALIFIED player play in the event and replaced TargA with AZKSickness.
That is fucking disgraceful and it's bullshit that AZK aren't held to account at all.
And yea, it wouldn't surprise me that AZK/PPSL is fucking things up. Any organisation that has ziek/zanooku as one of it's members is probably more slippery than an eel in a bucket of shit..
I'd REALLY like an explanation about this.
I mean it, really.
You can read Yoon's account which was just posted here as the first news post with pictures of the contracts etc. http://www.sc2sea.com/
As some of you might know, Dox helped hold an extensive series of qualifiers
for Australia on behalf of Witchdoc on the promise that Witchdoc would send the top two Australian players to the Philippines. Dox made them sign official contracts as well. Day 1 of the event is already over and although Rossi was sent, the next in line to go YoonYJ was not given a plane ticket. Every story has two sides and I certainty hope to hear Witchdoc's side here as well, but these are the facts that I know are true after speaking to several people and hence have allowed YoonYJ to share his point of view.
I would like to add that Yoon means no disrespect to any PH player or Team AZK whom he says have helped him practise for the event. He just feels he was unfairly treated by the tournament organiser and he fought through a extremely tough qualifier, even beating mOOnGLaDe in the last round on his way to qualification only to be not given his promised ticket.
I can feel for YoonYJ after reading his post. This should not be happening at all. I do not know what was really going on, but even with a proper explanation by Witchdoc, there is no way it will lighten the deeds that he done.
Yoon should have known his flight would have never came if the organisers never sent him anything 3~7 days before the actual day of the contract. There is no way such a busy person who needs to plan the events can get hold to a ticket within a week.
Hopefully, such unfortunate turn of events never happen again to hurt the view of the international community on SEA's community.
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively because the few tourneys he does show up for causes those results to be magnified greatly.
DRG is a bit overrated as well, however. IIRC, he got destroyed by MKP and Bomber, yet both of those players have been taken down by foreigner Zergs (Stephano and IdrA, respectively).
Also - playing in less tourneys and finishing well in each of them is less meaningful than playing in a lot of tourneys and finishing well in only some of them?
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively.
Instead you will claim DRG is not carried by his ZvT? His ZvP is barely on par, with wins vs "lucky" wins vs Greedy SangHo, HuK and InCa (hahaha), and his ZvZ we haven't seen him play vs any of the better ZvZ players. SEn, on the other hand has proven to stand toe to toe with the strongest P in the world (MC) but has not had the opportunity to meet any other Korean Protoss so far. He has traditionally had very strong ZvP though due to his great infestor ling bane management.
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively.
Instead you will claim DRG is not carried by his ZvT? His ZvP is barely on par, with wins vs "lucky" wins vs Greedy SangHo, HuK and InCa (hahaha), and his ZvZ we haven't seen him play vs any of the better ZvZ players. SEn, on the other hand has proven to stand toe to toe with the strongest P in the world (MC) but has not had the opportunity to meet any other Korean Protoss so far. He has traditionally had very strong ZvP though due to his great infestor ling bane management.
Who cares? Dongraegu won 2 major foreigner events and has a 70 percent korean winrate. That makes him alot better than Sen. You then say Sen is impressive in ZvP for taking 2 games off MC...but discredit Dongraegu's ZvP even though he actually beat him. Truly baffling.
I watched the event and was there around 11:30 AM Manila time.
Aside from the big technical problem that was not resolved right away, the event was pretty good. My friends and I are still thankful that we were able to watch live matches of top calibre players with Tastosis casting. SEN WAS AWESOME!!!
Regarding the crowd, alot of people passing by would stop and watch what the event is all about. The event will have a huge impact the local sc2 scene, and it will enlighten the other gamers here that are predominantly DOTA/ counterstrike players and they saw how awesome SC2 can be as a game and as an ESPORT.
As a local, Im still quite happy with the way things turned out, the match of Sen was awesome and the long wait was worth it.
Let this be a learning experience to the organizers. With the technical problem out of the way tomorrow, I believe things will be better and all the focus will be on the awesome matches and will forget about the technical delays that happened day 1.
Do it right PPSL and you can still make this an awesome event for everyone to enjoy.
The crowd we had was pretty good and the noise we would make was pretty loud when the hosts/casters would tell us to make noise. If it wasn't heard in the live stream, it must be because there was no microphone picking up the sound from the audience.
I am disappointed I didn't get to see Marine King and MC, but I'm glad they made it to day 2 so we will definitely see them play. I'm positive about tomorrow because I don't believe disasters strike twice. So AZK/ PPSL its hard to screw up again tomorrow since you made the mistakes already today. Just regroup and keep things rolling.
There will always be flamers/haters, but hey just suck it up and learn from this experience, and make sure things dont get screwed up again tomorrow.
I'm still appreciative and supportive of Team AZK for making this event happen. Thanks and good luck on day 2!
DRG's ZvT is borderline godly, but he's being figured out lately. Meanwhile, his ZvP and ZvZ are nothing to go on about. He's kind of like Leenock in that way, IMO, though DRG's ZvP >>> Leenock's really fucking terrible ZvP. Though luckily for Leenock, there aren't that many Protoss players in the GSL anyways.
Not saying anything about Sen since I haven't actually seen many games from him lately, but I don't know if I'd put DRG above players like Curious and LosirA, both of whom I consider to be better than DRG, since they're good at at least two match-ups (ZvP and ZvZ). Curious's ZvT looks really solid as well when he's not being all-inned by MKP (whose all-ins always seem ridiculously hard to hold, ugh) or choking, though he's obviously not as good at it as DRG.
Overall, I'd say: 1.) NesTea (ZvZ and ZvP god, decent ZvT) 2/3.) Curious (very solid all around) 2/3.) LosirA (very, very good ZvZ and ZvP, always dies ZvT early-game) 4.) Everyone else, because they can only play one match-up or are decent at all match-ups but not especially great at any of them.
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively.
Instead you will claim DRG is not carried by his ZvT? His ZvP is barely on par, with wins vs "lucky" wins vs Greedy SangHo, HuK and InCa (hahaha), and his ZvZ we haven't seen him play vs any of the better ZvZ players. SEn, on the other hand has proven to stand toe to toe with the strongest P in the world (MC) but has not had the opportunity to meet any other Korean Protoss so far. He has traditionally had very strong ZvP though due to his great infestor ling bane management.
Sen's zvp only looks strong because he faces inferior competition. He goes toe toe with MC? Is that the best example you have? MC still beats sen everytime they meet, so that's kind of an exaggeration. Plus MC loses like every pvz these days. DRG's zvp isn't great, but it's still on par or better than sen's.
I will agree with you that Sen is better than stephano though because I agree with Idra's point that stephano is just catching people by surprise right now with his style and once people analyze his play, then he won't be winning as much. When your success is based off catching people off guard, it's not a sustainable way of winning long term.
On November 07 2011 23:15 iaguz wrote: TargA couldn't go because he had exams. We were going to send YoonYJ instead but then AZKWitchdoc decided not to let a QUALIFIED player play in the event and replaced TargA with AZKSickness.
That is fucking disgraceful and it's bullshit that AZK aren't held to account at all.
And yea, it wouldn't surprise me that AZK/PPSL is fucking things up. Any organisation that has ziek/zanooku as one of it's members is probably more slippery than an eel in a bucket of shit..
On November 07 2011 23:15 iaguz wrote: TargA couldn't go because he had exams. We were going to send YoonYJ instead but then AZKWitchdoc decided not to let a QUALIFIED player play in the event and replaced TargA with AZKSickness.
That is fucking disgraceful and it's bullshit that AZK aren't held to account at all.
And yea, it wouldn't surprise me that AZK/PPSL is fucking things up. Any organisation that has ziek/zanooku as one of it's members is probably more slippery than an eel in a bucket of shit..
I'd REALLY like an explanation about this.
I mean it, really.
You can read Yoon's account which was just posted here as the first news post with pictures of the contract etc. http://www.sc2sea.com/
As some of you might know, Dox helped hold an extensive series of qualifiers
for Australia on behalf of Witchdoc on the promise that Witchdoc would send the top two Australian players to the Philippines. Dox made them sign official contracts as well. Day 1 of the event is already over and although Rossi was sent, the next in line to go YoonYJ was not given a plane ticket. Every story has two sides and I certainty hope to hear Witchdoc's side here as well, but these are the facts that I know are true after speaking to several people and hence have allowed YoonYJ to share his point of view.
I would like to add that Yoon means no disrespect to any PH player or Team AZK whom he says have helped him practise for the event. He just feels he was unfairly treated by the tournament organiser and he fought through a extremely tough qualifier, even beating mOOnGLaDe in the last round on his way to qualification only to be not given his promised ticket.
Wow. I really want to know what witchdoc has to say about this. This is pretty damning evidence. I hope we hear from IPL too, as he's basically saying he couldn't send YoonYJ because of lack of funding. Whatever the case is though, the way witchdoc conducted himself in that chat was pretty disgusting.
On November 08 2011 03:20 myrmidon2537 wrote: So.. is it worth going to this event live? seeing as I'm only a short ride away, or is the live experience just as bad >_>
I just came from the live event, although I wasn't there for the huge delay and made it in time to catch the last few matches (Sen/Naniwa & Sase/Moon). If I was there during the delay im sure my opinion would change, but it was a pretty fun experience to see and meet everyone up close an personal. Got my mouse pad signed by the guys just mentioned above too and a picture with the casting archon!
Since its a short ride you can always leave, so I'd drop by tomorrow since it was pretty fun. Also, sucks that nobody heard the crowd cheering, we were pretty good imo. At least I know I tried my hardest lol.
Thanks for the tip. I most likely have work till 6:30 I still have enough time to catch even at least the finals ^^
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively because the few tourneys he does show up for causes those results to be magnified greatly.
DRG is a bit overrated as well, however. IIRC, he got destroyed by MKP and Bomber, yet both of those players have been taken down by foreigner Zergs (Stephano and IdrA, respectively).
Also - playing in less tourneys and finishing well in each of them is less meaningful than playing in a lot of tourneys and finishing well in only some of them?
Well if you want to cherry pick bo3, then I can do the same. Bomber beat Idra 2-0 at MLG Raleigh in group stage, then lost 2-1 in orlando mainly due to his silly 15 min pure marine attack. Stephano beat the stc and boxer at IPL, but then lost to them in the rematch at MLG orlando.
Plus I think your 2nd statement should read "playing in less tourneys and finishing well in each of them is less meaningful than playing in a lot of tourneys and Winning in only some of them?" Then yes I will agree with that since DRG has won the LG tourney, Dreamhack Valencia and IEM New York.
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively.
Instead you will claim DRG is not carried by his ZvT? His ZvP is barely on par, with wins vs "lucky" wins vs Greedy SangHo, HuK and InCa (hahaha), and his ZvZ we haven't seen him play vs any of the better ZvZ players. SEn, on the other hand has proven to stand toe to toe with the strongest P in the world (MC) but has not had the opportunity to meet any other Korean Protoss so far. He has traditionally had very strong ZvP though due to his great infestor ling bane management.
Who cares? Dongraegu won 2 major foreigner events and has a 70 percent korean winrate. That makes him alot better than Sen. You then say Sen is impressive in ZvP for taking 2 games off MC...but discredit Dongraegu's ZvP even though he actually beat him. Truly baffling.
? The only time I recall Dongraegu beating MC is when he ling all-inned him when his stargate build wasn't as refined.
Curious to see how MKP v MC went exactly. 2-1 for MKP looks like.
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively.
Instead you will claim DRG is not carried by his ZvT? His ZvP is barely on par, with wins vs "lucky" wins vs Greedy SangHo, HuK and InCa (hahaha), and his ZvZ we haven't seen him play vs any of the better ZvZ players. SEn, on the other hand has proven to stand toe to toe with the strongest P in the world (MC) but has not had the opportunity to meet any other Korean Protoss so far. He has traditionally had very strong ZvP though due to his great infestor ling bane management.
Who cares? Dongraegu won 2 major foreigner events and has a 70 percent korean winrate. That makes him alot better than Sen. You then say Sen is impressive in ZvP for taking 2 games off MC...but discredit Dongraegu's ZvP even though he actually beat him. Truly baffling.
? The only time I recall Dongraegu beating MC is when he ling all-inned him when his stargate build wasn't as refined
I love MC as he's still the protoss bonjwa to me, but let's be real here. Beating MC in zvp isn't impressive anymore cause everyone does it! July at MLG, Monster in code A, everyone in AOL! MC's zvp is really bad right now.
On November 07 2011 23:15 iaguz wrote: TargA couldn't go because he had exams. We were going to send YoonYJ instead but then AZKWitchdoc decided not to let a QUALIFIED player play in the event and replaced TargA with AZKSickness.
That is fucking disgraceful and it's bullshit that AZK aren't held to account at all.
And yea, it wouldn't surprise me that AZK/PPSL is fucking things up. Any organisation that has ziek/zanooku as one of it's members is probably more slippery than an eel in a bucket of shit..
I'd REALLY like an explanation about this.
I mean it, really.
You can read Yoon's account which was just posted here as the first news post with pictures of the contract etc. http://www.sc2sea.com/
As some of you might know, Dox helped hold an extensive series of qualifiers
for Australia on behalf of Witchdoc on the promise that Witchdoc would send the top two Australian players to the Philippines. Dox made them sign official contracts as well. Day 1 of the event is already over and although Rossi was sent, the next in line to go YoonYJ was not given a plane ticket. Every story has two sides and I certainty hope to hear Witchdoc's side here as well, but these are the facts that I know are true after speaking to several people and hence have allowed YoonYJ to share his point of view.
I would like to add that Yoon means no disrespect to any PH player or Team AZK whom he says have helped him practise for the event. He just feels he was unfairly treated by the tournament organiser and he fought through a extremely tough qualifier, even beating mOOnGLaDe in the last round on his way to qualification only to be not given his promised ticket.
Wow. I really want to know what witchdoc has to say about this. This is pretty damning evidence. I hope we hear from IPL too, as he's basically saying he couldn't send YoonYJ because of lack of funding. Whatever the case is though, the way witchdoc conducted himself in that chat was pretty disgusting.
Yea that's fucked up, hope some explanations come out, cause that is just unacceptable.
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively because the few tourneys he does show up for causes those results to be magnified greatly.
DRG is a bit overrated as well, however. IIRC, he got destroyed by MKP and Bomber, yet both of those players have been taken down by foreigner Zergs (Stephano and IdrA, respectively).
Also - playing in less tourneys and finishing well in each of them is less meaningful than playing in a lot of tourneys and finishing well in only some of them?
Well if you want to cherry pick bo3, then I can do the same. Bomber beat Idra 2-0 at MLG Raleigh in group stage, then lost 2-1 in orlando mainly due to his silly 15 min pure marine attack. Stephano beat the stc and boxer at IPL, but then lost to them in the rematch at MLG orlando.
It's not so much about cherry picking as it is about showing that DRG's results against the very top Terran players aren't any better than IdrA's or Stephano's, at least when we restrict ourselves to recent BoXs.
Consider this: he recently lost 1-2 to Supernova if I'm not mistaken. Now, if you put Supernova up against IdrA/Stephano, would you be able to confidently say that Supernova would beat IdrA/Stephano? I wouldn't. That's why I don't think DRG is as godly as his fans insist.
Plus I think your 2nd statement should read "playing in less tourneys and finishing well in each of them is less meaningful than playing in a lot of tourneys and Winning in only some of them?" Then yes I will agree with that since DRG has won the LG tourney, Dreamhack Valencia and IEM New York.
I'm not comparing DRG to Sen there, so no, my 2nd statement reads how it's supposed to read.
Supernova looked extremely good that series and DRG and IdrA play fairly similarly. Maybe Stephano would beat Supernova with his strange style but Supernova is pretty underrated.
Tastetosis already said in a GSL cast that Sen is one of the top 3 zergs in the world along with Nestea and Losira and that Sen is the ONLY foreign player who can beat the Koreans on a regular basis. Enough said.
On November 08 2011 00:25 Wawa wrote: thnx for the correction. but yeah. sen is on his timezone. no jetlag. and his games are always awesome to watch. he needs to win this!!
tbh I reckon if Sen is losing to players of the calibre of Naniwa (in no way is he bad, just not Code S material), especially in the same matchup as Sen vs MC, then MC should take this easily, no matter his mood/jetlag/Sen's home ground. But we will see: to me, Sen has always been a bit of a dark horse. I consider him about the same level as Socke/Select, some really good, solid foreigners but not normally strong contenders vs really good Koreans.
you put him on the same level as Socke/Select? Really? he is probably around level of idra to me @@
SEn is just under or just above IdrA, depending on who you ask. He's easily top 5 zerg in the world though, capable of beating any of the koreans if things go his way.
Top 5 zerg in the world? Nestea, losira, curious, dongraegu, stephano > sen. I could list more. :/
SEn > Curious, and just above DRG (who is MASSIVELY carried by his ZvT..) Stephano it is debatable, but I think that SEn is the more skilled player. He is the kind of player you must outplay. You can't get "fluke wins" from him.
Lol, I like Sen, but there's 0 chance he's better than DRG. I guess playing in less tourneys like sen causes him to be overrated massively because the few tourneys he does show up for causes those results to be magnified greatly.
DRG is a bit overrated as well, however. IIRC, he got destroyed by MKP and Bomber, yet both of those players have been taken down by foreigner Zergs (Stephano and IdrA, respectively).
Also - playing in less tourneys and finishing well in each of them is less meaningful than playing in a lot of tourneys and finishing well in only some of them?
Well if you want to cherry pick bo3, then I can do the same. Bomber beat Idra 2-0 at MLG Raleigh in group stage, then lost 2-1 in orlando mainly due to his silly 15 min pure marine attack. Stephano beat the stc and boxer at IPL, but then lost to them in the rematch at MLG orlando.
It's not so much about cherry picking as it is about showing that DRG's results against the very top Terran players aren't any better than IdrA's or Stephano's, at least when we restrict ourselves to recent BoXs.
Consider this: he recently lost 1-2 to Supernova if I'm not mistaken. Now, if you put Supernova up against IdrA/Stephano, would you be able to confidently say that Supernova would beat IdrA/Stephano? I wouldn't. That's why I don't think DRG is as godly as his fans insist.
Well this is what I mean by cherry picking. Yes he lost 1-2 to supernova because he threw away game 1 when he had a massive lead. Still that is 1 bo3 and yes I would say supernova has a chance against idra/stephano in a bo3. Do I think supernova could beat DRG in a bo7 or have a winning % in numerous bo3? No, I do not.
I can flip it around and say do you think the stc and boxer could beat idra and stephano? Well they both have in the past. Boxer has beaten idra in nasl and mlg anaheim I think? Stc also beat Idra at IPL. Plus I already mentioned stc and boxer beating stephano in their rematch at MLG Orlando.
This is what I mean by cherry picking bo3 results. You can always bend them to how you want it to appear.
On November 08 2011 04:19 bobohobo wrote: Tastetosis already said in a GSL cast that Sen is one of the top 3 zergs in the world along with Nestea and Losira and that Sen is the ONLY foreign player who can beat the Koreans on a regular basis. Enough said.
I wouldn't take what Tastosis says about any player seriously.
Remember when they kept dissing Curious? Look where he's at now.
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