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Legace
Profile Joined September 2010
Sweden342 Posts
October 15 2011 16:43 GMT
#1381
I came here to write; "Looks like the Starcraft community got it's own red shirt guy" but got beaten to it

How on earth did he beat Polt btw?
ohampatu
Profile Joined July 2010
United States1448 Posts
October 15 2011 16:43 GMT
#1382
On October 16 2011 01:40 Baituri wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 01:38 ohampatu wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:32 tree.hugger wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:26 ohampatu wrote:
I disagree completely on Stephano/Ret/Nerchio... Im not for sure how you could even name them as top.


Stephano has only ipl 3. Unless he gets more there's just not enough information to put him as a top player.

Ret has the ability to be in that list, but doesn't have the results at all recently, even stephano has more results than ret. (just because he is doing good in pool play really doesn't mean anything).

Nerchio doesn't have LAN results. Enough Said.


Sen and Idra are the onlly zergs i think we can call 'top' right now, with ret narrowing out the 3 id say. Sen is really the only foreigner zerg who deserves to be top right now, all other foreigner zergs are only just now starting to show good promise again (ret recently increasing, idra recently increasing, stephano making a breakthrough).


Instead of talking about top foreigner zerg, since no zerg has really emmerged as the top, i wish we would just all put our hopes on idra/sen/ret/dimaga/stephano and cheer for all instead of comparing so much. None of them are clear winners. At this point in time it doesn't matter who comes out, as long as one or two of them do.
See my response above, results are cute and all, but I think you should be able to determine whether one player is better than the other based on actually watching them play, as opposed to looking at numbers in TLPD. Obviously if a player fails to get results after a while, then it seems like they're doing something wrong, but ideally my thoughts on those players will be proven right in the future.

You say you don't have enough information on Stephano, Nerchio, Ret but that's because you haven't been trying to get it. It's all out there.

I think IdrA's mindset has clearly improved, and that's great because that was really holding him back. His map vision and multitask haven't faltered so much from his BW days, and his macro and unit composition decisions seem to also have improved, which is good because those were two other big issues he had. What keeps IdrA from being at the very top, in my opinion, is that he doesn't scout enough, relies on incomplete reads of his opponents, and I still question some of his decision making. He's obviously extremely good though.

Sen is fantastic, I just haven't seen enough of him lately, and he's lost a bit in the TeSL, which is weird. But he could very well get right back to the top, it's hard to tell.



I dont know if you missed the post i put about 4 posts above yours (i know these threads are crazy to hold conversation. But i stated pretty much the same thing.

No zerg has multiple recent results to show they are above the others. Sen has gone of the market with the TeSF for now, and Idra/Stephano/Ret all seemed to make a recent splash. Nothign past that though. I hope they all start doing well. Yes we could look at the player skill and use our knowledge to make good results. But then Idra/Ret are almost always going to be on that list, because if they are in top form and playing at a level of their old bw skill, they will dominate. But we have to take consistency into play.


But you can be consistently good, without showing a lot of results. You can have a lot of impressive games without finishing in the top 3 of a tournament. People are only looking at the top finishes of a tournament and will determine their skill from that.



Well yea, its def bad to just look at 'oh stephano lost to alive he sucks' or something like that. When i say basing off of results, i still say 'hey that kid is a beast cause he went 15-0 before losing in mlg'. To me thats impressive and i'll still use that when judging the player, even if its not a top 3 finish. Thats why these discussions are hard to choose. Everybody has different opinions and everybody bases their opinion off of different skills. Instead of saying 'these people are best' id love to just see 'these people could go on a huge tear if they have a good consistent day'. Polt just lost in the open bracket, but i wouldn't call him shitty for it by no means.
I am become death, for I am the destroyer of worlds.....You will be missed KT Violet!!!
Fyzar
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands8010 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1383
On October 16 2011 01:43 WaSa wrote:
"he's making me a total fan" -Artosis on Inori.

*shrug*

That's the start of Inori's downfall ;>!
^^
It appears I have been chosen.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1384
Wow the code S terrans must have been doing too little T v P practise considering how little protosses there are in the GSL.
But inori has been playing really well recently, its not just his PvP thats amazing.
Femari
Profile Joined June 2011
United States2900 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1385
inori just wow. good play.
Mvp | BoxeR | MarineKing | MC | viOlet | Scarlett | Flash | Bisu | XellOs | Sea | Fantasy | By.Sun
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1386
On October 16 2011 01:43 hugman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 01:38 claash wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:38 Shika wrote:
SaSe vs Jinro will be SICK! Can't wait for that match.


the swede gotta mention the swedes in the forums of course

maybe he's a pretend swede like you
change your country on TL every week?

because swedes are the only countrymen who would find this sort of occurence interesting?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1387
On October 16 2011 01:42 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 01:36 laharl23 wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:35 Talin wrote:
This is how every PvP should look like post patch (opening-wise). PvPs yesterday were painful to watch, this brings the matchup's reputation back somewhat.


sases build is weak to a couple things but he just knows hasu's style.

Sases build isn't very good vs 3gate pressure or a really good 4gate blink timing.

But its good vs robo openings for sure which is basically all hasu does.

So don't read too much into it, its a good build but it can't work every game.


All of that is very doable normally. Obviously I don't mean the exact build order, but expanding in PvP will become quite common sooner rather than later (providing there aren't more changes that make it more difficult in the future).

Things just take a little time to develop after the patch changes because the players still default to builds that they have been practicing for months instead of experimenting on the fly.

Yes, a decent all-in build can break that, but the point is that the all-in builds are now equally risky as expanding (if not more) and going for the midgame.

Inori held blink timings easily in IPL3 btw.




SaSe didnt expand until he saw the second gas, and confirmed that a balls 4gate would be delayed at least 30-40 seconds. It could be vunerable to some all-in's, but SaSe is arguably up there with HuK in the top 3 control club
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1388
On October 16 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:
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On October 16 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:42 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:41 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:41 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:40 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:39 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:39 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:38 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:37 Drazerk wrote:
[quote]

6:00

Banelings morphing in for alterzza looking to be the aggressor


6:40

Queen has been lowered to very low hp after the banelings hit

only 2 drones go down and now Evin is going on the offensive


8:00


Alter going into roach tech while fending off the zerglings trying to get up his ramp


9:10

Both players are expanding at the same time

Erin now going roach tech and taking his lair


11:00

Infestation pit on the way for Evin


11:30

Pathogen glands and a macro hatch for evin as alter only just starts his lair


12:00

Evo chamber and roach speed from Evin


13:00

Banelings of alter are sniped by three lings


14:00

Roach sped starting for alter now

1/1 for evin

Fungal on all of alter's roaches


15:00

Evin now has a big supply lead after killing Alter's roach forces


16:00

Baneling speed and burrow on the way for Alter

Burrow on the way for Evin as well
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1389
Epic nerd action lolol
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1390
On October 16 2011 01:43 WaSa wrote:
"he's making me a total fan" -Artosis on Inori.

*shrug*


He's doing his hype curse already
MVTaylor
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United Kingdom2893 Posts
October 15 2011 16:44 GMT
#1391
I wouldn't like to be DdoRo right now
@followMVT
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
October 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#1392
Match-ups for getting into group play:
ViBe vs TheStc
Goswser vs MarineKing
Ddoro vs Inori
Sase vs Jinro

Good games incoming
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#1393
On October 16 2011 01:44 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:42 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:41 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:41 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:40 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:39 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:39 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:38 Drazerk wrote:
[quote]

6:40

Queen has been lowered to very low hp after the banelings hit

only 2 drones go down and now Evin is going on the offensive


8:00


Alter going into roach tech while fending off the zerglings trying to get up his ramp


9:10

Both players are expanding at the same time

Erin now going roach tech and taking his lair


11:00

Infestation pit on the way for Evin


11:30

Pathogen glands and a macro hatch for evin as alter only just starts his lair


12:00

Evo chamber and roach speed from Evin


13:00

Banelings of alter are sniped by three lings


14:00

Roach sped starting for alter now

1/1 for evin

Fungal on all of alter's roaches


15:00

Evin now has a big supply lead after killing Alter's roach forces


16:00

Baneling speed and burrow on the way for Alter

Burrow on the way for Evin as well


16:50

infestation pit on the way for Alter

Gold base going up for both players at the exact same time
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-15 16:46:00
October 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#1394
On October 16 2011 01:40 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 01:39 StarVe wrote:
I hope SaSe wins against Jinro and gets into the PvP pool. :D


Jinro has expressed repeatedly that he is frustrated by Protoss. If he hasn't drastically improved in the MU, SaSe has a good chance of taking him down.

I'm such in the Jinro train in the TvP area xD
I see all korean terran pwning protoss left and right, and whatever I do TvP is my worst matchup. If I had only my playing experience to judge I would say that protoss is imba haha :D (which I know is not true obviously) I think Jinro is more or less in the same boat (well, I'm in the same boat as him is more correct).
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
October 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#1395
When is SaSe's next game?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#1396
until just now that its just a troll by alive and a few tsl players butapparently those pants are really part of the tsl uniform
laharl23
Profile Joined February 2011
United States582 Posts
October 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#1397
On October 16 2011 01:42 Talin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 01:36 laharl23 wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:35 Talin wrote:
This is how every PvP should look like post patch (opening-wise). PvPs yesterday were painful to watch, this brings the matchup's reputation back somewhat.


sases build is weak to a couple things but he just knows hasu's style.

Sases build isn't very good vs 3gate pressure or a really good 4gate blink timing.

But its good vs robo openings for sure which is basically all hasu does.

So don't read too much into it, its a good build but it can't work every game.


All of that is very doable normally. Obviously I don't mean the exact build order, but expanding in PvP will become quite common sooner rather than later (providing there aren't more changes that make it more difficult in the future).

Things just take a little time to develop after the patch changes because the players still default to builds that they have been practicing for months instead of experimenting on the fly.

Yes, a decent all-in build can break that, but the point is that the all-in builds are now equally risky as expanding (if not more) and going for the midgame.

Inori held blink timings easily in IPL3 btw.


I think robo+immortal expands will become common but sases build was like 1gate expand into robo into two gates and barely has anything for when a blink timing comes.

I get your point that expand builds will become common I was just saying that his build was tailored to how hasu plays.

I'm sure he would never try that build vs somebody like huk who loves blink stalkers.
Clazziquai10
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Singapore1949 Posts
October 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#1398
Wait a minute....did the stream just show 'gosuhuk'?
my0s
Profile Joined March 2010
United States193 Posts
October 15 2011 16:45 GMT
#1399
Tastless totally catching himself from saying "Here at the GSL" durring that last closing.
Drazerk
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United Kingdom31255 Posts
October 15 2011 16:46 GMT
#1400
On October 16 2011 01:45 Drazerk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 01:44 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:43 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:42 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:41 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:41 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:40 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:39 Drazerk wrote:
On October 16 2011 01:39 Drazerk wrote:
[quote]

8:00


Alter going into roach tech while fending off the zerglings trying to get up his ramp


9:10

Both players are expanding at the same time

Erin now going roach tech and taking his lair


11:00

Infestation pit on the way for Evin


11:30

Pathogen glands and a macro hatch for evin as alter only just starts his lair


12:00

Evo chamber and roach speed from Evin


13:00

Banelings of alter are sniped by three lings


14:00

Roach sped starting for alter now

1/1 for evin

Fungal on all of alter's roaches


15:00

Evin now has a big supply lead after killing Alter's roach forces


16:00

Baneling speed and burrow on the way for Alter

Burrow on the way for Evin as well


16:50

infestation pit on the way for Alter

Gold base going up for both players at the exact same time


17:40

Altez ( Yes i realized I've been doing his name wrong all game ) loses a lot of roaches

huge baneling mines have been set up
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