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Sbrubbles
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil5776 Posts
October 14 2011 15:41 GMT
#581
Pokebunny, you're our only hope! Crush TOP like the badass Terran you are!
Bora Pain minha porra!
BjC
Profile Joined February 2011
England181 Posts
October 14 2011 15:41 GMT
#582
In a year we will all be saying "remember when Terran were so OP it was easymode and they won everything and people argued that they werent, those days were so imbalanced it was crazy"

Will happen ^^ ...It is known...

User was temp banned for this post.
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
October 14 2011 15:41 GMT
#583
On October 15 2011 00:36 hewley wrote:
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On October 15 2011 00:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:30 hewley wrote:
Lol at all the people saying TOP cant play a macro game. He is the definition of macro terran. Sometimes the LR threads are such a joke


Meh, TOP won this when Mana's attack on the third failed.


Yeah, so if Mana is better in a macro game, why do a two base timing with colossus. Tell me pls. He could just sat back, take a third and transition into hts like in game 1 which he won very convincingly. Its just so upsetting reading through some brainless comments in the LR threads.

Mana showed his Colossi quite early (which was a mistake, along with losing his Stalkers) so maybe he thought he had to so something with them before TOP can negate them with Vikings?
nufcrulz
Profile Joined February 2010
Singapore934 Posts
October 14 2011 15:41 GMT
#584
mana did a really good job holding out for as long as he did, i actually thought he was gonna turn the game around in the second engagement, but his ht got emped
Hassybaby
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom10823 Posts
October 14 2011 15:42 GMT
#585
PvZ on Terminus (all variants)

32-17 to the Zerg (wow, that's quite a difference)

Fruitdealer is 1-1 vs Toss
Axslav is 3-2 vs Zerg

Not much to play on, so this should be interesting
"These guys are mindfucking me into a sex coma" | "Mayonnaise is a must-have lubricant when performing necrophilia"
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 14 2011 15:42 GMT
#586
On October 15 2011 00:37 laharl23 wrote:
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On October 15 2011 00:33 Teoita wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:31 laharl23 wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:26 Teoita wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:25 laharl23 wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:18 VirgilSC2 wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:16 laharl23 wrote:
The 1-1-1 is not patched, immortals are NOT the answer. Too many people read into patch notes (especially incontrol saying how the 4gate is now completely dead after this ramp change, uh no since when were completely blocking your ramp with sentrys ever the answer to defending 4gate)

and just like immortals aren't the answer to defending the 1-1-1. They can be but colluses are probably better.


4Gate is actually pretty dead.....so.....uh......I'm not sure what your point is there.


What? its barely anymore dead than it was in the last patch.


You can be even greedier now when defending 4gate; last patch it was 3gate with no tech, now you might even squeeze a tech building in. Not having the option to warp above a forcefield up a ramp is huge.


Not true at all, if you play greedy vs 4gate you still die just like the last patch.


Honestly i have no idea how much greedier you can be, but you can't deny that it's actually possible to be slightly greedier, wether it's a bit more tech or probes. The strength of the 4gate was warping up the ramp and now that's gone, so it -should- be easier to hold...but then again i haven't faced a 4gate since the new patch so i don't really know.


So then you are just theory-crafting like everyone else does when a patch comes out?

Like I said, when were sentrys ever the answer to stopping a 4gate? they weren't back then and they still aren't now.

Its not like sentrys keep them completely away forever, you will have like 1 sentry by the time they hit and that will save you about 10 seconds of time until they get vision and warp up your ramp. Unless you play really weird and go like 3 sentrys before any other units it doesn't really matter, but like i said if you play greedy in anyway you will still lose.


The sentries are there to buy you time until your Tech kicks in(as in Blink Finishes, Immortal comes out, your own warpgate finishes) Of course 4 gate is still viable(anyone who says its dead clearly doesn't play that much/watches enough PvPs) but now 4 gating yourself its not the only option
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
October 14 2011 15:42 GMT
#587
On October 15 2011 00:37 BronzeKnee wrote:
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On October 15 2011 00:35 Qaatar wrote:
Game one was fucking terrible play from TOP. I don't understand how people can think TOP's TvP is THAT bad...


What? People think his play is that bad, because he played that bad in Game 1 so obviously he is capable of playing of that poorly. I think everyone has a range of skill they play at, and perhaps game one was near the bottom of TOP's range, but clearly he plays that poorly sometimes. It is the same for Mana, he clearly played better in Game 1 than Game 3.

TOP is an incredible player though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the Finals.


That's my point. TOP is reknowned for his macro and mediocre unit control - something everyone who even watches a modicum of GSL would know. One game does not make a player, and even for TOP, his unit control in Game 1 was terrible.
mcc
Profile Joined October 2010
Czech Republic4646 Posts
October 14 2011 15:42 GMT
#588
On October 15 2011 00:35 windsupernova wrote:
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On October 15 2011 00:33 FairForever wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:30 hewley wrote:
Lol at all the people saying TOP cant play a macro game. He is the definition of macro terran. Sometimes the LR threads are such a joke


Meh, TOP won this when Mana's attack on the third failed.


Yeah I love how no one points out the problems with losing that many collossi and stalkers and sentries (such a gas-heavy loss) without being able to take down the third base.


B-b-but that way i won't be able to justify my favourite player losing!

Yeah, Mana played pretty sloppily this game. Of course he is still a pretty skilled player, but on this game Top played better

Mana seemed quite off from his normal quality of play, also I would like to point out that one thing that he should learn from White-ra is to just mass expand in 4+ game phase. White-ra expands too riskily in early- to mid-game, but his late game expanding style is actually quite good, and from the games of Mana that I saw, he expands too conservatively in late game. In this game it would probably not have helped him anyway, but I see it as a common problem of his, also he does not harrass terrans enough in late game. Another thing he should learn from special tactics .
mYiKane
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada1772 Posts
October 14 2011 15:42 GMT
#589
cheering for FD on this one
BuddhaMonk
Profile Joined August 2010
781 Posts
October 14 2011 15:42 GMT
#590
On October 15 2011 00:41 Arceus wrote:
dear Waxangel. would you please add a simple Result section (in spoiler ofc) in OP, or at least one single link to the tourney's liquipedia. much appreciation. thx


There is a link to the liquidpedia in the OP -_-
jakoh
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada237 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 15:43:24
October 14 2011 15:43 GMT
#591
On October 15 2011 00:40 QTIP. wrote:
Lets' go FD.

I am with you. He will return. FD FIGHTING.
*once again, I am setting myself up for a disappointment T_T
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
October 14 2011 15:43 GMT
#592
make a forge to cannon rush..SUCH A PRO TIP :D

I wonder how that played out though.."why can't i build cannons..oh crap i forgot the forge"
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 14 2011 15:43 GMT
#593
On October 15 2011 00:43 jakoh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:40 QTIP. wrote:
Lets' go FD.

I am with you. He will return. FD FIGHTING.
*once again, I am setting myself up for a disappointment T_T

He's up against an EG member that's not IdrA or PuMa, he should be fine.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
hewley
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany1063 Posts
October 14 2011 15:44 GMT
#594
On October 15 2011 00:40 BuddhaMonk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:39 hewley wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:37 BuddhaMonk wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:36 hewley wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:30 hewley wrote:
Lol at all the people saying TOP cant play a macro game. He is the definition of macro terran. Sometimes the LR threads are such a joke


Meh, TOP won this when Mana's attack on the third failed.


Yeah, so if Mana is better in a macro game, why do a two base timing with colossus. Tell me pls. He could just sat back, take a third and transition into hts like in game 1 which he won very convincingly. Its just so upsetting reading through some brainless comments in the LR threads.


It's very standard to pressure with 2-3 colossus with range in PvT before T has very many vikings...


I know its normal to pressure, but he overcommitted hard trying to snipe the third. His anti-air units were focusing the cc while he lost his colossi to vikings.


That's my point, the decision to pressure is the good decision, but the engagement itself was what cost him, whereas you seem to be saying he should just stay back...


Ah ok so we have the same opinion. Sometimes hard to express myself on the internet. ^_^
Esports bubble pop, bubble pop
windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
October 14 2011 15:44 GMT
#595
On October 15 2011 00:42 mcc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:35 windsupernova wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:33 FairForever wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:30 hewley wrote:
Lol at all the people saying TOP cant play a macro game. He is the definition of macro terran. Sometimes the LR threads are such a joke


Meh, TOP won this when Mana's attack on the third failed.


Yeah I love how no one points out the problems with losing that many collossi and stalkers and sentries (such a gas-heavy loss) without being able to take down the third base.


B-b-but that way i won't be able to justify my favourite player losing!

Yeah, Mana played pretty sloppily this game. Of course he is still a pretty skilled player, but on this game Top played better

Mana seemed quite off from his normal quality of play, also I would like to point out that one thing that he should learn from White-ra is to just mass expand in 4+ game phase. White-ra expands too riskily in early- to mid-game, but his late game expanding style is actually quite good, and from the games of Mana that I saw, he expands too conservatively in late game. In this game it would probably not have helped him anyway, but I see it as a common problem of his, also he does not harrass terrans enough in late game. Another thing he should learn from special tactics .


Well but the same can be said about Top(he seemed pretty off in game 1) Players don't always play at their 100% performance. They are humans. That doesn't mean that Top is bad because he lost game 1, and it doesn't mean Mana is bad or got cheesed out when he lost game 2.
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
GreenAndOrangeTurtle
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia193 Posts
October 14 2011 15:44 GMT
#596
On October 15 2011 00:41 Arceus wrote:
dear Waxangel. would you please add a simple Result section (in spoiler ofc) in OP, or at least one single link to the tourney's liquipedia. much appreciation. thx


There is a link to the Liquipedia page in the box below the list of streamed matches

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/IEM_Season_VI_-_Global_Challenge_New_York
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former - Albert Einstein
ssg
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1774 Posts
October 14 2011 15:44 GMT
#597
axslav is 2-0? yessssss
TidusX.Yuna
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States239 Posts
October 14 2011 15:44 GMT
#598
Ugh, Void Ray opening. Zergs have been stopping this with no trouble for awhile now.
Courage is the magic that turns dreams into reality!
Daralii
Profile Joined March 2010
United States16991 Posts
October 14 2011 15:45 GMT
#599
On October 15 2011 00:44 windsupernova wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 15 2011 00:42 mcc wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:35 windsupernova wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:33 FairForever wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:32 CosmicSpiral wrote:
On October 15 2011 00:30 hewley wrote:
Lol at all the people saying TOP cant play a macro game. He is the definition of macro terran. Sometimes the LR threads are such a joke


Meh, TOP won this when Mana's attack on the third failed.


Yeah I love how no one points out the problems with losing that many collossi and stalkers and sentries (such a gas-heavy loss) without being able to take down the third base.


B-b-but that way i won't be able to justify my favourite player losing!

Yeah, Mana played pretty sloppily this game. Of course he is still a pretty skilled player, but on this game Top played better

Mana seemed quite off from his normal quality of play, also I would like to point out that one thing that he should learn from White-ra is to just mass expand in 4+ game phase. White-ra expands too riskily in early- to mid-game, but his late game expanding style is actually quite good, and from the games of Mana that I saw, he expands too conservatively in late game. In this game it would probably not have helped him anyway, but I see it as a common problem of his, also he does not harrass terrans enough in late game. Another thing he should learn from special tactics .


Well but the same can be said about Top(he seemed pretty off in game 1) Players don't always play at their 100% performance. They are humans. That doesn't mean that Top is bad because he lost game 1, and it doesn't mean Mana is bad or got cheesed out when he lost game 2.

This is a TL LR thread, though. Here, a player is only good if they won their last televised game or if they're IdrA.
Fear is freedom! Subjugation is liberation! Contradiction is truth!
Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-14 15:45:09
October 14 2011 15:45 GMT
#600
Every Protoss player who promotes building Phoenixes gets a bonus in my book. <3
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