EPTIEM New York - Day 2 Coverage - Page 29
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Erasme
Bahamas15899 Posts
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:35 Qaatar wrote: Game one was fucking terrible play from TOP. I don't understand how people can think TOP's TvP is THAT bad... DRG also lost a series yesterday in a tournament where everyone thought he might go undefeated, to a mid-level American nonetheless (GatoreD). That's why you play the games. Sometimes players play poorly in a game, one poor game doesn't mean that TOP's macro is shit or anything like that. | ||
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
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Hassybaby
United Kingdom10823 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:35 HwangjaeTerran wrote: But what if you use that chrono on shield ups and get some archons in the mix even. Of course you'd have to spread pretty well so you won't get everything EMP'd. Downside is that shield upgrades cost a ton, so players tend to skip it if they can Ofc, Mana had a lot of money banked, so he should have done it | ||
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Cere
Seychelles15 Posts
Is it just me or is the ingame audio really really low? | ||
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usethis2
2164 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:32 Deshkar wrote: 200 food terran vs 150 food toss =.= but mana's macro is pretty crappy for most part =/ even with his insane mining, top's keeping his gas/min consistently below 500 when he's not maxed. It's not hard for Terrans to make themselves look macro better. I'd have loved to see how many units were queued in his rax. | ||
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GreenAndOrangeTurtle
Australia193 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:31 Da.Frozzy wrote: its so broken that terran force rips throug a maxed toss army with loosing all ghosts right before the fight. srsly TOP had better upgrades and was about 40 supply ahead in that last battle. Mana was nowhere near being maxed. TOP did lose a lot of ghosts but he got the EMPs off so they did there job | ||
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Flowjo
United States928 Posts
 oGsTOP is a beast and you guys all know it | ||
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laharl23
United States582 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:33 Teoita wrote: Honestly i have no idea how much greedier you can be, but you can't deny that it's actually possible to be slightly greedier, wether it's a bit more tech or probes. The strength of the 4gate was warping up the ramp and now that's gone, so it -should- be easier to hold...but then again i haven't faced a 4gate since the new patch so i don't really know. So then you are just theory-crafting like everyone else does when a patch comes out? Like I said, when were sentrys ever the answer to stopping a 4gate? they weren't back then and they still aren't now. Its not like sentrys keep them completely away forever, you will have like 1 sentry by the time they hit and that will save you about 10 seconds of time until they get vision and warp up your ramp. Unless you play really weird and go like 3 sentrys before any other units it doesn't really matter, but like i said if you play greedy in anyway you will still lose. | ||
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BuddhaMonk
781 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:36 hewley wrote: Yeah, so if Mana is better in a macro game, why do a two base timing with colossus. Tell me pls. He could just sat back, take a third and transition into hts like in game 1 which he won very convincingly. Its just so upsetting reading through some brainless comments in the LR threads. It's very standard to pressure with 2-3 colossus with range in PvT before T has very many vikings. The problem was not that he decided to pressure, but was that he lost a bunch of stalkers right before that engagement and committed too much on sniping the CC without killing it. After this he was very behind because TOP was free to focus on economy which meant that after the big engagement there was no way for MaNa to keep up in production. | ||
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BronzeKnee
United States5226 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:35 Qaatar wrote: Game one was fucking terrible play from TOP. I don't understand how people can think TOP's TvP is THAT bad... What? People think his play is that bad, because he played that bad in Game 1 so obviously he is capable of playing of that poorly. I think everyone has a range of skill they play at, and perhaps game one was near the bottom of TOP's range, but clearly he plays that poorly sometimes. It is the same for Mana, he clearly played better in Game 1 than Game 3. TOP is an incredible player though, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him in the Finals. | ||
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Dexington
Canada7276 Posts
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Tarotis
Germany1931 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:37 GreenAndOrangeTurtle wrote: TOP had better upgrades and was about 40 supply ahead in that last battle. Mana was nowhere near being maxed. TOP did lose a lot of ghosts but he got the EMPs off so they did there job He talked about the first engagement  | ||
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FairForever
Canada2392 Posts
Top was still ahead in army supply, I don't know if it was 40. But he sac'ed some units at Mana's 3rd to free up supply, as well he was mass muling (had like 3 or 4 CCs at his third) so he had a larger army with less SCVs. | ||
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windsupernova
Mexico5280 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:37 usethis2 wrote: It's not hard for Terrans to make themselves look macro better. I'd have loved to see how many units were queued in his rax. Seriously? I mean seriously? Top was producing like 20 units per cycle. And he "didn't make himself look better in macro" He macroed better. After the engagement Top climbed up in supply quite fast. Get real man | ||
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hewley
Germany1063 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:37 BuddhaMonk wrote: It's very standard to pressure with 2-3 colossus with range in PvT before T has very many vikings... I know its normal to pressure, but he overcommitted hard trying to snipe the third. His anti-air units were focusing the cc while he lost his colossi to vikings. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:37 usethis2 wrote: It's not hard for Terrans to make themselves look macro better. I'd have loved to see how many units were queued in his rax. Doesn't change the fact that his army supply lead was in existence on the map. Now it's excusable for MaNa to lose because he failed to keep up with warp-ins? | ||
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BuddhaMonk
781 Posts
On October 15 2011 00:39 hewley wrote: I know its normal to pressure, but he overcommitted hard trying to snipe the third. His anti-air units were focusing the cc while he lost his colossi to vikings. That's my point, the decision to pressure is the good decision, but the engagement itself was what cost him, whereas you seem to be saying he should just stay back... | ||
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QTIP.
United States2113 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
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