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On December 10 2011 09:55 chenchen wrote:
Why do people rage about bo1 groups? Starcraft champions have blasted through bo1 groups for the past decade.
Besides, bo1 groups exposes each participant to a wide variety of players given the time constraint, making sure that one player doesn't get by with a few snipe builds or one solid match up out of three. It really selects the most well rounded and strongest players to get through.
I'm sorry, are you saying that bo1 is fine, since it WON'T make good players go out to snipe builds? What? - How does that even make sense? If anything, bo1 encourages snipe builds.
No, really, make the group stage games bo3, loser picks map. It's fair, and it's not that much longer than bo1 - besides, to use your own point against you, if bo1 "really selects the most well rounded and...blah" then certainly bo3 must do that even more.
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My major issue with BO1 is that maps play too big a factor. You have no fallback
Especially on Blizzard maps, I seriously hope Xelnaga isn't in the map or any zerg that hits it will be in a bad shape
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On December 10 2011 10:51 SafeAsCheese wrote:
My major issue with BO1 is that maps play too big a factor. You have no fallback
Especially on Blizzard maps, I seriously hope Xelnaga isn't in the map or any zerg that hits it will be in a bad shape
Fuck xelnaga man they have god damn Dual sight in the map pool!!!
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On December 10 2011 10:47 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:55 chenchen wrote:
Why do people rage about bo1 groups? Starcraft champions have blasted through bo1 groups for the past decade.
Besides, bo1 groups exposes each participant to a wide variety of players given the time constraint, making sure that one player doesn't get by with a few snipe builds or one solid match up out of three. It really selects the most well rounded and strongest players to get through. I'm sorry, are you saying that bo1 is fine, since it WON'T make good players go out to snipe builds? What? - How does that even make sense? If anything, bo1 encourages snipe builds. No, really, make the group stage games bo3, loser picks map. It's fair, and it's not that much longer than bo1 - besides, to use your own point against you, if bo1 "really selects the most well rounded and...blah" then certainly bo3 must do that even more.
There's a limited amount of time to play the games.
If the groups were indeed bo3s, then the groups should have less players (maybe groups of four instead of seven), to compensate, and with more groups, less players from each group will advance to play offs (maybe one out of four rather than two out of seven).
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Will this Blizzard Cup take place in studio? Or will it be an online thing where we don't get to see the players?
If it's like those AOL tournaments where people are playing from home and even the casters are doing it in their pyjamas somewhere I think I'll pass.
Still trying to decide on year pass. $99 one looks not too bad. I really do need mobile access as the iPad is my #1 device for watching GSL while washing dishes or cooking in the kitchen. I wish it included the GSTL and other tournaments but I guess I'll have to pass on those...
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It is a pleasure to have so many champions togehter in this cup tournament. But it sucks that in the group stage it is a BO1.
Bo1 will not tell you much, especially considered that they are all great players. I mean they can get destroyed in one game, but recover and dominate their opponent easily in the next game.
This is a bit disppointing.
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On December 10 2011 14:20 chenchen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 10:47 Jamial wrote:On December 10 2011 09:55 chenchen wrote:
Why do people rage about bo1 groups? Starcraft champions have blasted through bo1 groups for the past decade.
Besides, bo1 groups exposes each participant to a wide variety of players given the time constraint, making sure that one player doesn't get by with a few snipe builds or one solid match up out of three. It really selects the most well rounded and strongest players to get through. I'm sorry, are you saying that bo1 is fine, since it WON'T make good players go out to snipe builds? What? - How does that even make sense? If anything, bo1 encourages snipe builds. No, really, make the group stage games bo3, loser picks map. It's fair, and it's not that much longer than bo1 - besides, to use your own point against you, if bo1 "really selects the most well rounded and...blah" then certainly bo3 must do that even more. There's a limited amount of time to play the games. If the groups were indeed bo3s, then the groups should have less players (maybe groups of four instead of seven), to compensate, and with more groups, less players from each group will advance to play offs (maybe one out of four rather than two out of seven).
I simply just disagree with you. More groups with 4 players, where top2 advances (as is the norm!!) in a bo3 setting would be far better than WCG's current system. Then again, I've never had any faith in WCG.
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On December 10 2011 18:44 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 14:20 chenchen wrote:On December 10 2011 10:47 Jamial wrote:On December 10 2011 09:55 chenchen wrote:
Why do people rage about bo1 groups? Starcraft champions have blasted through bo1 groups for the past decade.
Besides, bo1 groups exposes each participant to a wide variety of players given the time constraint, making sure that one player doesn't get by with a few snipe builds or one solid match up out of three. It really selects the most well rounded and strongest players to get through. I'm sorry, are you saying that bo1 is fine, since it WON'T make good players go out to snipe builds? What? - How does that even make sense? If anything, bo1 encourages snipe builds. No, really, make the group stage games bo3, loser picks map. It's fair, and it's not that much longer than bo1 - besides, to use your own point against you, if bo1 "really selects the most well rounded and...blah" then certainly bo3 must do that even more. There's a limited amount of time to play the games. If the groups were indeed bo3s, then the groups should have less players (maybe groups of four instead of seven), to compensate, and with more groups, less players from each group will advance to play offs (maybe one out of four rather than two out of seven). I simply just disagree with you. More groups with 4 players, where top2 advances (as is the norm!!) in a bo3 setting would be far better than WCG's current system. Then again, I've never had any faith in WCG.
Guess what, at the end MVP wins !! This is a sign that even if bo1 is not the best system, it stil allows best player to win 
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On December 10 2011 19:11 AIOL! wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 18:44 Jamial wrote:On December 10 2011 14:20 chenchen wrote:On December 10 2011 10:47 Jamial wrote:On December 10 2011 09:55 chenchen wrote:
Why do people rage about bo1 groups? Starcraft champions have blasted through bo1 groups for the past decade.
Besides, bo1 groups exposes each participant to a wide variety of players given the time constraint, making sure that one player doesn't get by with a few snipe builds or one solid match up out of three. It really selects the most well rounded and strongest players to get through. I'm sorry, are you saying that bo1 is fine, since it WON'T make good players go out to snipe builds? What? - How does that even make sense? If anything, bo1 encourages snipe builds. No, really, make the group stage games bo3, loser picks map. It's fair, and it's not that much longer than bo1 - besides, to use your own point against you, if bo1 "really selects the most well rounded and...blah" then certainly bo3 must do that even more. There's a limited amount of time to play the games. If the groups were indeed bo3s, then the groups should have less players (maybe groups of four instead of seven), to compensate, and with more groups, less players from each group will advance to play offs (maybe one out of four rather than two out of seven). I simply just disagree with you. More groups with 4 players, where top2 advances (as is the norm!!) in a bo3 setting would be far better than WCG's current system. Then again, I've never had any faith in WCG. Guess what, at the end MVP wins !! This is a sign that even if bo1 is not the best system, it stil allows best player to win
MVP already 6-0 his bo1 stage, and most of the favorite players made it too, bo1 system in group of 8 players isnt that bad, some upsets happen because in 6x bo1 every game counts and you need to play safe not greedy or risky. So WCG group stage rewards well-rounded players that like to play safe and dont get unstable after 1 lose to cheese (e.x Idra)
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On December 10 2011 10:47 Jamial wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 09:55 chenchen wrote:
Why do people rage about bo1 groups? Starcraft champions have blasted through bo1 groups for the past decade.
Besides, bo1 groups exposes each participant to a wide variety of players given the time constraint, making sure that one player doesn't get by with a few snipe builds or one solid match up out of three. It really selects the most well rounded and strongest players to get through. I'm sorry, are you saying that bo1 is fine, since it WON'T make good players go out to snipe builds? What? - How does that even make sense? If anything, bo1 encourages snipe builds. No, really, make the group stage games bo3, loser picks map. It's fair, and it's not that much longer than bo1 - besides, to use your own point against you, if bo1 "really selects the most well rounded and...blah" then certainly bo3 must do that even more.
Not much longer than bo1? With a bo3 round robin you will have anywhere between 10-20 more games, which would easily double the total playtime
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Good to see Stephano and Naniwa are in different groups, both have a chance to advance to ro6 but will be really hard, hope they are in top form when it kicks off. Good luck to both!
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Mvp already got his spot in Blizzard Cup. So whoever wins WCG tomorrow, XiGua will get the last spot in group B, right?
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On December 10 2011 20:39 PlayX wrote:
Mvp already got his spot in Blizzard Cup. So whoever wins WCG tomorrow, XiGua will get the last spot in group B, right?
Nop if MVP wins it will go by GSL rankign so polt will take the last spot. if XiGua wins then he will take the last spot
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On December 10 2011 20:42 HappyChris wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2011 20:39 PlayX wrote:
Mvp already got his spot in Blizzard Cup. So whoever wins WCG tomorrow, XiGua will get the last spot in group B, right? Nop if MVP wins it will go by GSL rankign so polt will take the last spot. if XiGua wins then he will take the last spot
Oh interesting. Thanks.
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Well I bought the yearly no ads pass for GSL, so free BLIZZ CUP :D
Being watching Stephano's streams in Korea. not a fan of him, but I'm impressed. I think both Naniwa and Stephano have a really strong style, that might just beat the players in their group, especially since its BO1.
I jumped on the bandwagon of "Stephano will start losing once he gets figured out", without doing any research on him  . Seem to me he knows his own weaknesses and always have something to counter, if it gets abused.
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I wanted to buy a ticket for this event but it costs 9.99$ + ads... this is a bit too much for a 5 days event.
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A BO 1 makes all those matches just a coin flip I mean you may as well just cheese every game since no one has any chance to adapt to anything you tried. Any player can lose 1 game no matter how good they are even a BO 3 sometimes is a little random still.
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i highly doubt BO1 make games a 50/50 coin flip. I also doubt players at these calibers won't be able to put the thought process of them might being cheesed ESPECIALLY if that person did one or more beforehand.
if all tournaments, makes it a best of 7. MVP will probably have won all 7 of the major tournaments. Which makes the sc2 scene very boring, Bo1 gives the underdog a chance hence its awesome for the viewers to watch.
I am rooting for the foreigners, dnt know why, maybe cause i'm mad that the netizens were hating on MKP and SuperNova losses in the WCG cause their "national pride" got hurt <.< (just want to show them, their pride shouldnt be hurt cause we have good dynamic players in the foreign scene to never cause that). besides that i think its good for the sc2 scene outside korea, theres more interest and passion from the fans here from what i'd collected from watching MLG, IPL and others.
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Do you need to buy a ticket to watch Blizzard cup? I am looking around at the GomTV site but cannot find anyting about bying a ticket for it.
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10$ for 3days? Are they serious? I payed GOM 70$ this year and don't even get anything free? SKANDAL!
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