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ambrosiaa
Profile Joined October 2011
Singapore333 Posts
October 23 2011 15:30 GMT
#4781
Amazing first game.
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
October 23 2011 15:30 GMT
#4782
Stephano remaxes so ridiculously fast, Mana waited far too long there and let him get half the map. I reckon an earlier air switch might have been helpful too.
halvorg
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Norway717 Posts
October 23 2011 15:30 GMT
#4783
On October 24 2011 00:28 nam nam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 00:23 halvorg wrote:
On October 24 2011 00:23 zuRbeK wrote:
On October 24 2011 00:21 mcc wrote:
Mana is kind of expected to lose, unfortunately. Manas PvZ is better than it was, but it is still worse than Sase, Naniwa, White-ra or elfi,and probably Sockes.

how is naniwa's pvz any good?


1-2 Nestea 1-2 Sen 2-0 Dimaga @ blizzcon iirc

Atrocious :p


He also won against sen the first series. He's much better than a few months ago.


Yeah I know, he impressed me at blizzcon.
mordk
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Chile8385 Posts
October 23 2011 15:30 GMT
#4784
On October 24 2011 00:29 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 00:28 mordk wrote:
You can't beat zerg like that, you need to stretch them out with harass to abuse BL inmobility. In a direct confrontation you just die.


Nah, you need to kill them before they even get to this phase in the game. Zerg wins like 90% if they get roach/infestor/corruptor/broods with a big bank. Even a harass style eventually gets a-moved over


Hahah yeah, I mean if zerg gets that composition a direct confrontation will fail in most cases. Ideal scenario would be killing them before that.
0ne
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Spain2464 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4785
On October 24 2011 00:29 TheRooster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 00:25 Tarotis wrote:
On October 24 2011 00:24 Imbattable wrote:
On October 24 2011 00:23 Tarotis wrote:
MaNa only can win with Stargate tech now, otherwise he is dead....

Except that Infestors excell at shutting down Protoss Air...

Well, BL´s shut down everything else

Carriers yo

Carriers like Huk did in IPL? lol
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4786
I hate own3D with a passion!
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
RogerChillingworth
Profile Joined March 2010
Chad3132 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4787
On October 24 2011 00:29 Lann555 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 00:28 mordk wrote:
You can't beat zerg like that, you need to stretch them out with harass to abuse BL inmobility. In a direct confrontation you just die.


Nah, you need to kill them before they even get to this phase in the game. Zerg wins like 90% if they get roach/infestor/corruptor/broods with a big bank. Even a harass style eventually gets a-moved over


oh dear.........
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4788
That game just wasn't that good from either of them. Sure, it wasn't BAD, but it wasn't particularly entertaining. Neither player looked exceptional, and neither did anything innovative. tbh if it wasn't the finals, I could have mistook it for a game from 2 EU Masters League players.
Denar
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1633 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4789
So many epic finals in one week-end, SC2 is rocking hard!

Come on Stephano!
calin
Profile Joined February 2010
Australia107 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4790
On October 24 2011 00:31 ProxyKnoxy wrote:
I hate own3D with a passion!

pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4791
On October 24 2011 00:30 Demonaz wrote:
Stephano remaxes so ridiculously fast, Mana waited far too long there and let him get half the map. I reckon an earlier air switch might have been helpful too.

Mana had no gas. He should have expoed earlier.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Moralez
Profile Joined May 2011
Portugal1857 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4792
On October 24 2011 00:30 mordk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 24 2011 00:29 Lann555 wrote:
On October 24 2011 00:28 mordk wrote:
You can't beat zerg like that, you need to stretch them out with harass to abuse BL inmobility. In a direct confrontation you just die.


Nah, you need to kill them before they even get to this phase in the game. Zerg wins like 90% if they get roach/infestor/corruptor/broods with a big bank. Even a harass style eventually gets a-moved over


Hahah yeah, I mean if zerg gets that composition a direct confrontation will fail in most cases. Ideal scenario would be killing them before that.

Mothership + Archons.

No need to thank me.
Master League Zerg - EGIdrA - IMNesTea - EGMachine - EGIncoNtrol - IMLosirA - Destiny - MVPDRG -
Fnatic NoVa
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany16 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4793
Clinical and not very spectacular first game but not bad either
Gogo Stephano!
no pain, no gain!
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
October 23 2011 15:31 GMT
#4794
A mothership is so powerful in that stage, yet no one except Kiwikaki gets one. It's painful to watch.
Warfie
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway2848 Posts
October 23 2011 15:32 GMT
#4795
It wasn't a bad game, just not very action packed. None of the engagements were especially tense either, before the final one, because neither player extended very far into his opponent's territory. But it was definitely high caliber play.
HappyChris
Profile Joined October 2011
1534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 15:33:04
October 23 2011 15:32 GMT
#4796
On October 24 2011 00:31 SeaSwift wrote:
That game just wasn't that good from either of them. Sure, it wasn't BAD, but it wasn't particularly entertaining. Neither player looked exceptional, and neither did anything innovative. tbh if it wasn't the finals, I could have mistook it for a game from 2 EU Masters League players.


lol, well those 2 master players took out MC and Marineking 2-0 thats some really strong master players..

Whalecore
Profile Joined March 2009
Norway1111 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 15:33:22
October 23 2011 15:32 GMT
#4797
It's funny that most people consider Protoss a late game death ball race. Truth is, both Terran and especially Zerg beat Protoss in 200/200 engagements.

Protoss death ball is a myth.

Protoss needs to use the mobility of their units to win late game.
Playgu
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
October 23 2011 15:32 GMT
#4798
On October 24 2011 00:28 mordk wrote:
You can't beat zerg like that, you need to stretch them out with harass to abuse BL inmobility. In a direct confrontation you just die.



Yeah and on Shakura's that's possible right?

I think the ZvT this weekend show cased how the race with inferior siege units fare on that map.

Asymmetric
Profile Joined June 2011
Scotland1309 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 15:32:58
October 23 2011 15:32 GMT
#4799
Kiwikaki vs stephano's game 2 in the last MLG was in a similar situation, but Kiwikaki's late game mothership play managed to win it for him.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 15:33:41
October 23 2011 15:32 GMT
#4800
Infestors > Void Ray, Mothership
Corruptors > Pheonix, Carrier, Mothership
Brood Lords > Everything Else

And that's why you can never beat an army like that, especially in the hands of Stephano.

The only way it's even remotely possible is Archon Toilet, but an Infestor can just neural the mothership, or the corruptors can just one shot it :/
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