EPTESWC 2011 Grand Finals - Page 241
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nojok
France15846 Posts
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:32 Whalecore wrote: It's funny that most people consider Protoss a late game death ball race. Truth is, both Terran and especially Zerg beat Protoss in 200/200 engagements. Protoss death ball is a myth. when you let zerg get 12 infestors and 20 broodlors with 3-3 air upgrades and 3 melee than yea | ||
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Demonaz
United Kingdom1219 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:31 pdd wrote: Mana had no gas. He should have expoed earlier. True, needed to take another base. I swear he had enough windows to do so as well, just kind of sat there for ages. I'd like to see more early harass from Mana too, Stephano is just too strong if he's allowed to get 4 bases super fast like that. | ||
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Rowa
Belgium962 Posts
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enemy2010
Germany1972 Posts
He pretty much always goes "1a" with his army, and therefore wins by macroing his opp out. Or am I wrong?  | ||
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Warfie
Norway2846 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:32 Whalecore wrote: It's funny that most people consider Protoss a late game death ball race. Truth is, both Terran and especially Zerg beat Protoss in 200/200 engagements. Protoss death ball is a myth. The extreme late game deathball is a myth in that you can't use a deathball which is powerful in the mid to early late game to roll over the extreme late game zerg units. Stephano had largely 3-3 upgrades on everything and too many BLords and infestors. I think Mana could've utilized his "deathball" earlier in the game though. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:25 Fyzar wrote: His pvz is better than Elfi's, Ra's & Socke's. He plays a very turtlish style which is good but he always switches into air very late versus broodlords. Definitely not better than recent White-ra's PvZ. Mana's turtlish style might work against some zergs, but it ends up as this game against Stephano vs extremely good zergs. He harasses too little and his late game expanding is just plain non-existent. | ||
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:33 enemy2010 wrote: I dont think Stephano has good unit control/micro skills.... He pretty much always goes "1a" with his army, and therefore wins by macroing his opp out. Or am I wrong? You're wrong. | ||
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Rimah
Germany34 Posts
I think the main reason why broodlords are so strong in bigger numbers is that all ground units get stuck and can't attack ( especially archons with 3 range). Fungals could still root some of the army, but if your fast enough with your feedbacks, you would have atleast a small chance | ||
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Oldfool
Australia394 Posts
Pity it was streamed on own3d.tv, which is actually the most horrible viewing experience I've had with streams - with constant freezes and dropouts. | ||
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Elean
689 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:32 HaXXspetten wrote: Infestors > Void Ray, Mothership Corruptors > Pheonix, Carrier Brood Lords > Everything Else And that's why you can never beat an army like that, especially in the hands of Stephano. Stephano had the bigger army. When they showed the army value stephano was clearly ahead. So it's only normal he wins the fight. | ||
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:32 HappyChris wrote: lol, well those 2 masters player took out MC and Marineking 2-0 thats some really strong master players.. Way to completely miss what I was saying. I'm not saying Mana and Stephano are bad - Mana has an amazing PvT, his PvP vs MC was world-class, and Stephano swept aside IPL and looked undefeatable. But in this game, neither of them played that well. It looked like a very standard macro game between 2 pretty good players. Not really finals-worthy IMO. Also, I hate own3D too. It's just so astoundingly shit. | ||
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:33 enemy2010 wrote: I dont think Stephano has good unit control/micro skills.... He pretty much always goes "1a" with his army, and therefore wins by macroing his opp out. Or am I wrong? you are | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:33 enemy2010 wrote: I dont think Stephano has good unit control/micro skills.... He pretty much always goes "1a" with his army, and therefore wins by macroing his opp out. Or am I wrong? That final engagment was not exactly a deathball a-move... | ||
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m0ck
4194 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:33 enemy2010 wrote: I dont think Stephano has good unit control/micro skills.... He pretty much always goes "1a" with his army, and therefore wins by macroing his opp out. Or am I wrong? You're right that he's a zerg player. | ||
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industria
Belgium15 Posts
 Is this a BO7 or something else btw? | ||
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Caesarion
Australia8332 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:33 enemy2010 wrote: I dont think Stephano has good unit control/micro skills.... He pretty much always goes "1a" with his army, and therefore wins by macroing his opp out. Or am I wrong? I think he has some of the best micro of any Zerg I've seen. | ||
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HaXXspetten
Sweden15718 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:34 industria wrote: Awesome first game Is this a BO7 or something else btw? BO5 | ||
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clusen
Germany8702 Posts
On October 24 2011 00:32 HaXXspetten wrote: Infestors > Void Ray, Mothership Corruptors > Pheonix, Carrier, Mothership Brood Lords > Everything Else And that's why you can never beat an army like that, especially in the hands of Stephano. The only way it's even remotely possible is Archon Toilet, but an Infestor can just neural the mothership, or the corruptors can just one shot it :/ If you have so many Corruptor that you can oneshot a Mothership you are going to lose And Vortex has 9 range. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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