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kseutron
Profile Joined June 2011
France56 Posts
October 23 2011 12:48 GMT
#4401
On October 23 2011 21:47 UserErrOr413 wrote:
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On October 23 2011 21:46 kseutron wrote:
Helions are disgusting in every match up, just mass them and do TONS of damage whatever the oppoenent does

It helps if you opponent only has a zealot and a stalker to defend against mass units


of course, but i still feel that even with 3 stalkers and a few zealots this much helions would have at least killed 12/15 probes
Longshank
Profile Joined March 2010
1648 Posts
October 23 2011 12:48 GMT
#4402
Losing the BO game and unlucky scouting gives you that. He would have been fine had he sent his probe in the other direction.
Eurekastreet
Profile Joined November 2010
1308 Posts
October 23 2011 12:49 GMT
#4403
On October 23 2011 21:46 All Bogs wrote:
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On October 23 2011 21:45 Eurekastreet wrote:
why did he cancel the pylon ?


I don't think he cancelled it - the hellions simply destroyed it while it was warping in. Unless I somehow missed the "cancelled" text?


didn't think hellions had enough firepower for that, but could be the reason...
"2 cannons, it's not one cannons" - White-Ra
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
October 23 2011 12:49 GMT
#4404
On October 23 2011 21:44 ThisGS wrote:
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On October 23 2011 21:39 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On October 23 2011 21:36 ThisGS wrote:
mech ghost is almost impossible to break for toss.

30 hellions 20 tanks some thors some ghosts - how will u break this without air? and vikings counter all P air :D


€: the problem is mobility, its not "weak" in fights at all


Grubby was actually expecting Ghosts out, which is why he got Templar + Archon out. But MKP doesn't like ghosts. Stephano had 8+ Infestors, when MKP was mostly in Marines & Tanks, and he didn't toss down a Ghost Academy.

Obviously, the lack of Stim working on Ghosts offends MKP.



well... feedbacking all ghosts and not getting hit by EMP while the ghosts hide behind a tankline.

sounds impossible to me.

Agreeing with the last part though
"Obviously, the lack of Stim working on Ghosts offends MKP"


Grubby, in Game 2, was attempting to Zone and Bait out the Ghosts to drop EMPs on the Archon & Templars. It was a push/pull technique. He was fully expecting the Ghosts. That there wasn't any was confusing to everyone.
ThisGS
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany255 Posts
October 23 2011 12:50 GMT
#4405
On October 23 2011 21:49 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 21:44 ThisGS wrote:
On October 23 2011 21:39 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On October 23 2011 21:36 ThisGS wrote:
mech ghost is almost impossible to break for toss.

30 hellions 20 tanks some thors some ghosts - how will u break this without air? and vikings counter all P air :D


€: the problem is mobility, its not "weak" in fights at all


Grubby was actually expecting Ghosts out, which is why he got Templar + Archon out. But MKP doesn't like ghosts. Stephano had 8+ Infestors, when MKP was mostly in Marines & Tanks, and he didn't toss down a Ghost Academy.

Obviously, the lack of Stim working on Ghosts offends MKP.



well... feedbacking all ghosts and not getting hit by EMP while the ghosts hide behind a tankline.

sounds impossible to me.

Agreeing with the last part though
"Obviously, the lack of Stim working on Ghosts offends MKP"


Grubby, in Game 2, was attempting to Zone and Bait out the Ghosts to drop EMPs on the Archon & Templars. It was a push/pull technique. He was fully expecting the Ghosts. That there wasn't any was confusing to everyone.



still, 1 emp on half of the immortals and he loses the fight - and thats unavoidable
humbre
Profile Joined August 2011
353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 12:56:36
October 23 2011 12:50 GMT
#4406
On October 23 2011 21:46 kseutron wrote:
Helions are disgusting in every match up, just mass them and do TONS of damage whatever the oppoenent does

bronze players commenting and balance whining about something they have no idea about are worse

On October 23 2011 21:52 kseutron wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 21:50 humbre wrote:
On October 23 2011 21:46 kseutron wrote:
Helions are disgusting in every match up, just mass them and do TONS of damage whatever the oppoenent does

bronze players commenting and balance whining about something they have no idea about are worse



are you bronze ?

whatever


judging by the crap you keep writing i could ran you over with random, pm me your id if you want to prove otherwise or shut up.
kseutron
Profile Joined June 2011
France56 Posts
October 23 2011 12:52 GMT
#4407
On October 23 2011 21:50 humbre wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 23 2011 21:46 kseutron wrote:
Helions are disgusting in every match up, just mass them and do TONS of damage whatever the oppoenent does

bronze players commenting and balance whining about something they have no idea about are worse



are you bronze ?

whatever
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 12:54:17
October 23 2011 12:53 GMT
#4408
no thermal lance? Oo
€ ok now he researches it
nojok
Profile Joined May 2011
France15845 Posts
October 23 2011 12:54 GMT
#4409
In BW there were some l vulture mining the gates and it was always really wonderful intense micro, one reaver in dropship followed by vulture who mined under it, dragoon carefully moving for sniping mines while defending the probes, attempt to drag mines into probes etc would be nice to see this again! But this time it was awful in fact.
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - Kuroky - Flap Flap Wings!
Ahelvin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
France1866 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-23 12:54:28
October 23 2011 12:54 GMT
#4410
Yep, strange collossus timing with no Lance :/

NVM, here it goes.
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MenSol[ZerO]
Profile Joined January 2010
Canada1134 Posts
October 23 2011 12:57 GMT
#4411
marineking has a little better macro it seems
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
October 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#4412
I think the issue with Hellions is that, after the Terrans went away from Blue Flames, they realized that 2 Reactor Factories allows you to pump 4 Hellions per 30s. So you can drop 8 hellions per minute.

8 Hellions do 8 dmg x 8, so 64 dmg (+ splash) to things. Most Protoss & Zergs don't have a read on the 2 Reactor Hellions, yet, but once they do, it won't be that much of a problem.

It's kind of like a Zerg dropping a sudden rush of Zerglings or Roaches. It comes fast and HARD.
Brainiac
Profile Joined May 2011
Poland641 Posts
October 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#4413
Lolz, rolled
Si vis pacem para bellum
clusen
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany8702 Posts
October 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#4414
Interesting fight...
astroorion
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1022 Posts
October 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#4415
What just happened to Grubby's army?
MLG Admin | Astro.631 NA
illumn
Profile Joined November 2010
New Zealand437 Posts
October 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#4416
I think Grubby spent too much gas on 2 base.

He got colossus, thermal lance, started storm, upgrades, made an archon..
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
October 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#4417
Mosquito taken down 2-0!

Oh, and MKP won, congrats!
Tarotis
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Germany1931 Posts
October 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#4418
On October 23 2011 21:58 illumn wrote:
I think Grubby spent too much gas on 2 base.

He got colossus, thermal lance, started storm, upgrades, made an archon..

He had 3 base, 4th started
MGN
Profile Joined June 2011
France383 Posts
October 23 2011 12:58 GMT
#4419
didnt he forgot all his zealots ?
kubiks
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
France1328 Posts
October 23 2011 12:59 GMT
#4420
Where was all gruby's stuff ? XD
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