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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45926 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:27 IM_Megan wrote: Sir, you are not correct on alot of these matches.  NesTea 3-1  MVPv > care?CoCa 3-2 HappyYou realize you just picked Terrans to lose, right? And your name is IM and you're voting against Happy?  | ||
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j0ker
275 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:23 RedDragon571 wrote: that may say more about game design than anything. Code S terrans are favored against the other races and the maps are particularly good for terran this season. I think even the best zergs in the world are fighting an uphill battle against code S terrans. Leenok lost, Nestea went 2-1 to virus, BARELY winning the last game. DRG played great but really I didn't have the tools to deal with code s terran play. terrans a bit op atm and until a patch or HOTS comes out, baring walking helions . Maybe things will shape up better, balance and game design wise.idk, all 3 tvz series were extremely close throughout and balance didnt seem very off. very high level tvz often descends into chaos late game as it did very often today, and nestea seems to be the only zerg that truly understands how to play those situations. leenock is very solid and has great baneling play, but his counter attacks are very questionable at times and ended up costing him today. DRG is the probably the best mutalisk player in the world, but he has shown, and showed again today, a tendency to stay on muta too long and to mishandle helions early game. and i dont think the map pool is that horrible for zergs, bel-shir, dual sight and crossfire are very strong zerg maps in zvt and metal/daybreak are even at best for the terran. one thing to keep in mind is that there are so many high level terrans in korea it leads to the terran metagame and builds developing at a faster rate because of how many heads are working towards a solution of the matchup. you saw that today in the reactor helion into fast 3rd oribital build that was used in nearly every game. | ||
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Warrior Madness
Canada3791 Posts
I can't really say who has the best ZvT atm. If DRG didn't lose 4-1 to MKP then probably him. He has the best muta control in the world but Nestea is smarter and prepares better than him. This entire new TvZ style is definitely giving trouble to all zergs. | ||
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IM_Megan
Netherlands744 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:29 Eternalmisfit wrote: The maps used today were Daybreak, Dual Sight, Crossfire, and Metal. Daybreak and Crossfire are mostly zerg favored. All metal games had cross spawns which is neutral/slightly zerg favored. Dual sight is 53-47 which is close to balanced. This season ZvT is 10-11 which is close to 50% Today ZvT was 4-5 which is also close to 50% There were no 2rax (except 1 completely botched attempts), no bunker play, only 2 games had mass BFH (one was lost by T), only 1 game had ghost snipes (which was lost by T). Pretty, none of this considered 'OP' came into play today. Despite all this, people still go about QQing about balance in TvZ matchup. Terran is just insane good at defending and harashing. The marines are really strong and can take down alot of lings mutas. | ||
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Zane
Romania3916 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:29 Noocta wrote: Yeah, another boring TvT final where we all know mvp will take it.  We all know Mvp will take it regardless of what the match-up will be. | ||
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RedDragon571
United States633 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:20 shadymmj wrote: I seriously had no opinion whatsoever on this "dong" zerg guy (although his name is rather similar to the true king of zerg), but after tuning in for the half of game 2 and all of game 3, he comes off to me as a guy who just...suddenly gives up. And I mean fantasy-esque gg timings right there. Watched supernova hold on for so long on 4 bases for most of the game, think he did a great job although he lost, but he turned it into a great game anyhow. And dong had pull to out the /dance, okay fair enough - we're good sports, but he proceeded to get promptly beaten in the 3rd set without even putting up a fight. I don't blame people for playing badly and losing, but if you drone drilled and lost too much, then maybe you should just gg right there and everyone would understand. If you decide to play on, then play on. Not lose a couple units and then gg...only fantasy is allowed to do that. Supernova played with a sizeable disadvantage in income and still gave it all he got. Dong dude just flat out quit. Not looking forward to him again. Maybe it's the overhype. At least idra is a colourful personality outside the game. you sound like your a pretty high level player.... great analysis. /end sarcasm | ||
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Herry
England681 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:28 shadymmj wrote: not saying you're wrong, just pointing out that supernova had his fair share of terrible positions, but only gged after slugging it out proper. it's a very strange mentality for a progamer and also for the audience to watch. you lose a crucial battle and gg, okay, understandable. you lose said battle and fight to the last man for a potential comeback, big props. But if you play on and then couple minutes later think "eh....fuck it", well, it's just not a winning mentality, or good for the fans to watch. The highest level Zerg is very tempo based, they need to have a constant supply of resources and larva so they can turn over units. As soon as one of those things runs dry, the game is basically over for the Zerg. which is something not many people realised about the infamous MMA vs Idra game were Idra GG's out. He had 1 queen, no live injects or queens building. 10 units in production and 2 larva and about 20 supply in units. he was dead either way lol. Terran mechanics are very very diffierent, if they have any money and buildings, they keep producing units no problem. and because they are all ranged with great micro can be very cost efficient. | ||
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KanoCoke
Japan863 Posts
DRG might have done the same thing when he said "Terran ezpz". It's just the curse of overconfidence. | ||
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Scribble
2077 Posts
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PapaJed
Sweden211 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:12 Lumi wrote: supernova knows how to abuse his race and that's why a player with no multitasking like him can take out someone like drg, sad games to watch. massing orbitals while still only on 3-4 base makes it pretty apparent what's wrong with the mule even for the bronzies who haven't realized it yet I guess you´re refering to some other random dude also named Supernova, I haven´t seen that guy play. I´ve only seen the Supernova that blinded the eyes of the spectators with his superior skill against DRG today. | ||
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States45926 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:31 Zane wrote: We all know Mvp will take it regardless of what the match-up will be. I think so too, and I'm getting a little tired of watching TvTs | ||
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:29 Eternalmisfit wrote: The maps used today were Daybreak, Dual Sight, Crossfire, and Metal. Daybreak and Crossfire are mostly zerg favored. All metal games had cross spawns which is neutral/slightly zerg favored. Dual sight is 53-47 which is close to balanced. This season ZvT is 10-11 which is close to 50% Today ZvT was 4-5 which is also close to 50% There were no 2rax (except 1 completely botched attempts), no bunker play, only 2 games had mass BFH (one was lost by T), only 1 game had ghost snipes (which was lost by T). Pretty, none of this considered 'OP' came into play today. Despite all this, people still go about QQing about balance in TvZ matchup. Interesting statistics. | ||
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IM_Megan
Netherlands744 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:30 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: You realize you just picked Terrans to lose, right? And your name is IM and you're voting against Happy? I just feel more for the zerg players out there, because I know how hard it is to take down siege tanks marines with all the micro you needed to do And all they do is split there marines up! hehe go zerg <3 | ||
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ch33psh33p
7650 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:33 DarkPlasmaBall wrote: I think so too, and I'm getting a little tired of watching TvTs MVP makes the game look unfair, what can you say. =/ For anyone picking Nestea over MVP, thats just silly. MVP has owned Nestea so hard historically, Nestea said he got depressed practicing against MVP. | ||
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Jaedong4thOSL
United States487 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:22 nofacej wrote: It's not to punish the casters or the player, it's just that Tastosis' hyping of Nestea has actually lowered my enjoyment of the show. Hell, Tasteless even introduced Virus as "The Victim" in the game Virus took off Nestea. If the only thing that will cause them to stop overhyping Nestea is for him to be eliminated then I want that to happen. It's a shame because I really like watching Nestea play, and I used to root for him back when Terrans and Protosses were crushing every other Zerg. Those hypes from Artosis are overkill for me too. And I also don't understand why isn't he give equal amount of hypes to MVP. MVP is even more solid than Nestea. | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7798 Posts
SlayerS_GanZi 3-0 oGsSuperNoVa SlayerS_MMA 3-1 TSL.Clide IMHappy 3-1 SlayerS_CoCa | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Sareth
Germany1008 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:27 IM_Megan wrote: Sir, you are not correct on alot of these matches. NesTea 3-1 MVPv > care?CoCa 3-2 HappyHappy losing to Coca? noway. I am a Zergplayer myself, but the both zergs that played best went out today. So I have to give my Votes to MVP and Happy. Nestea really did not play very well today, coca is better, but happy is just impressive lately. | ||
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TolEranceNA
Canada434 Posts
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IM_Megan
Netherlands744 Posts
On October 05 2011 23:35 Tachion wrote: Holy crap, every single game tonight was recommended. Check out the LR! | ||
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