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dSoda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States122 Posts
October 05 2011 14:20 GMT
#4081
Ganzi in the finals please!
shadymmj
Profile Joined June 2010
1906 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 14:20:55
October 05 2011 14:20 GMT
#4082
I seriously had no opinion whatsoever on this "dong" zerg guy (although his name is rather similar to the true king of zerg), but after tuning in for the half of game 2 and all of game 3, he comes off to me as a guy who just...suddenly gives up. And I mean fantasy-esque gg timings right there.

Watched supernova hold on for so long on 4 bases for most of the game, think he did a great job although he lost, but he turned it into a great game anyhow. And dong had pull to out the /dance, okay fair enough - we're good sports, but he proceeded to get promptly beaten in the 3rd set without even putting up a fight.

I don't blame people for playing badly and losing, but if you drone drilled and lost too much, then maybe you should just gg right there and everyone would understand. If you decide to play on, then play on. Not lose a couple units and then gg...only fantasy is allowed to do that.

Supernova played with a sizeable disadvantage in income and still gave it all he got. Dong dude just flat out quit. Not looking forward to him again. Maybe it's the overhype. At least idra is a colourful personality outside the game.
There is no such thing is "e-sports". There is Brood War, and then there is crap for nerds.
epoc
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland1190 Posts
October 05 2011 14:20 GMT
#4083
Gsl does have a lot of terrans. Nestea wont win against mvp. Gotta say the balance doesnt look good looking at statistics
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
October 05 2011 14:21 GMT
#4084
On October 05 2011 23:11 iamthedave wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 23:07 Sfydjklm wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:06 Reasonable wrote:
Can I please have that Who has the best ZvT poll initiated again please? So I can vote NesTea again. Thanks

Virus is not in even in the same galaxy as Supernova skill wise.


According to whom? It's not like Supernova has ever been that good himself. His GSL record isn't bad but it's not brilliant.

On October 05 2011 23:10 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 23:07 Sfydjklm wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:06 Reasonable wrote:
Can I please have that Who has the best ZvT poll initiated again please? So I can vote NesTea again. Thanks

Virus is not in even in the same galaxy as Supernova skill wise.


Yes, with Supernova's 40% TvZ win rate..... Come on, Supernova played well, so did Virus, both played much better then expected.

Anyway, I find it interesting that DRG's BoX vT results are pretty weak compared to his Bo1(GSTL/Group) results...

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garlicface
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada4196 Posts
October 05 2011 14:22 GMT
#4085
oGsSuperNova 김영진
아 기분좋다~!!!!!!!!!!!!! 더 달리자

No idea what it means.
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Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 05 2011 14:22 GMT
#4086
Ganzi vs MVP Finals with Ganzi winning back to back Code A and Code S
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snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
October 05 2011 14:22 GMT
#4087
On October 05 2011 23:17 Herry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 23:14 RedDragon571 wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:11 aebriol wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:06 iamthedave wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:04 aebriol wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:03 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Supernova best Terran in the world?

Well ... rather, korean terrans showing their dominance?

Coca and NesTea, and one of them went through a Protoss ... and NesTea had problems, but managed, 2-1 vs a mediocre Terran.


Since when was Supernova a top Terran?

DRG isn't as good as people say he is. Simple as that.

Where did I wrote that Supernova is a top Terran? He isn't.

The point is that for mediocre code S players (ie - better than all foreigners), Terrans can beat the good but not great players pretty much consistently.

DRG isn't as good as some people want to say ... he is only the 2nd best ZvT in the world, and likely the second best Zerg in the world though. Some people have hyped him beyond that, which I don't think is fair.


Maybe lacking in the descision-making and strategy department against code s terrans, which he is inexperienced. You gotta admit DRG has without a doubt the best zerg mechanics, multitasking and unit control in the world. You never see an idle unit for DRG, he is always mobile, playing to zerg strengths. :D


exactly, and even with great mechanics like that and being one of the best zergs in SC2, he can still be easily beaten by an army controlled by mid-tier terrans. Doesnt matter what Units he makes. Once Terrans get to a certain point its just almost impossible to kill them.
Watch DRG vs Bomber at MLG on Shakuras and you'll see exactly what i mean.



The funny part is only a month or two ago the late game phase(broodlord + infestor) was considered RIDICULOUSLY Zerg-favoured and Blizzard was looking into potential changes. Things change, I mean, it's notl ike it's impossible to beat Terran as Zerg.... Hell, DRG won that second game that Supernova turtled in.....
ZAiNs
Profile Joined July 2010
United Kingdom6525 Posts
October 05 2011 14:22 GMT
#4088
On October 05 2011 23:20 shadymmj wrote:
I seriously had no opinion whatsoever on this "dong" zerg guy (although his name is rather similar to the true king of zerg), but after tuning in for the half of game 2 and all of game 3, he comes off to me as a guy who just...suddenly gives up. And I mean fantasy-esque gg timings right there.

Watched supernova hold on for so long on 4 bases for most of the game, think he did a great job although he lost, but he turned it into a great game anyhow. And dong had pull to out the /dance, okay fair enough - we're good sports, but he proceeded to get promptly beaten in the 3rd set without even putting up a fight.

I don't blame people for playing badly and losing, but if you drone drilled and lost too much, then maybe you should just gg right there and everyone would understand. If you decide to play on, then play on. Not lose a couple units and then gg...only fantasy is allowed to do that.

Supernova played with a sizeable disadvantage in income and still gave it all he got. Dong dude just flat out quit. Not looking forward to him again. Maybe it's the overhype. At least idra is a colourful personality outside the game.

Obviously you didn't watch 'Dong dude' play against Thorzain on Tal'darim ^^.
nofacej
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia164 Posts
October 05 2011 14:22 GMT
#4089
On October 05 2011 23:16 ladyumbra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 23:10 nofacej wrote:
I'm actually sick of hearing Tastosis talk about Nestea. I'm usually a big fan of Tastosis, and enjoy their hyping, but it's just getting ridiculous. To the point where I actually want Mvp to humiliate Nestea and stretch his record vs him to 11-1.



Seriously? It's fine to be frustrated with the bias you feel casters may have and how much they express it but wishing for a player to lose to punish the casters is your response?


It's not to punish the casters or the player, it's just that Tastosis' hyping of Nestea has actually lowered my enjoyment of the show. Hell, Tasteless even introduced Virus as "The Victim" in the game Virus took off Nestea. If the only thing that will cause them to stop overhyping Nestea is for him to be eliminated then I want that to happen. It's a shame because I really like watching Nestea play, and I used to root for him back when Terrans and Protosses were crushing every other Zerg.
Maghetti
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2429 Posts
October 05 2011 14:22 GMT
#4090
I thought poorly of supernova for seasons now until I saw him get what I think was a 6 kill in a korean KOTH. His play looked crazy good and since then I felt he had just been choking in his code S games. With that said he played like Mvp that game. He read his opponents style, hard countered it with crazy greed and crazy turtling. DRG is with out a doubt the best mechanical zerg in the world and the best zvt player in the world but he does have some weaknesses.

He has no Julyzerg in him. He doesn't punish extreme greed very often. Doesn't cheese enough in general to prevent greediness. His mass muta is predictable because he is 10x better than everyone else with mutas. He needs a different style to supplement his normal style to prevent this sortof hard countering. And his ultras I didn't like. There is time for ultras, they are great at suddenly smashing a terran as they spone, but he needed something else if he was to fight multiple battles in a row. Low ultra numbers just sorta die to marauders. SuperNova played the player. He is a lot better than he has looked in code S.
Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
October 05 2011 14:23 GMT
#4091
On October 05 2011 23:20 shadymmj wrote:
I seriously had no opinion whatsoever on this "dong" zerg guy (although his name is rather similar to the true king of zerg), but after tuning in for the half of game 2 and all of game 3, he comes off to me as a guy who just...suddenly gives up. And I mean fantasy-esque gg timings right there.

Watched supernova hold on for so long on 4 bases for most of the game, think he did a great job although he lost, but he turned it into a great game anyhow. And dong had pull to out the /dance, okay fair enough - we're good sports, but he proceeded to get promptly beaten in the 3rd set without even putting up a fight.

I don't blame people for playing badly and losing, but if you drone drilled and lost too much, then maybe you should just gg right there and everyone would understand. If you decide to play on, then play on. Not lose a couple units and then gg...only fantasy is allowed to do that.

Supernova played with a sizeable disadvantage in income and still gave it all he got. Dong dude just flat out quit. Not looking forward to him again. Maybe it's the overhype. At least idra is a colourful personality outside the game.


he was still on 2 base, same drone count and 40 supply behind. His GG was warranted. He just choked, didn't build roaches or do any economic damage to him and what happens when a Terran gets a gold base and the zerg does nothing?

the zerg loses.
RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
October 05 2011 14:23 GMT
#4092
On October 05 2011 23:17 Herry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 23:14 RedDragon571 wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:11 aebriol wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:06 iamthedave wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:04 aebriol wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:03 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Supernova best Terran in the world?

Well ... rather, korean terrans showing their dominance?

Coca and NesTea, and one of them went through a Protoss ... and NesTea had problems, but managed, 2-1 vs a mediocre Terran.


Since when was Supernova a top Terran?

DRG isn't as good as people say he is. Simple as that.

Where did I wrote that Supernova is a top Terran? He isn't.

The point is that for mediocre code S players (ie - better than all foreigners), Terrans can beat the good but not great players pretty much consistently.

DRG isn't as good as some people want to say ... he is only the 2nd best ZvT in the world, and likely the second best Zerg in the world though. Some people have hyped him beyond that, which I don't think is fair.


Maybe lacking in the descision-making and strategy department against code s terrans, which he is inexperienced. You gotta admit DRG has without a doubt the best zerg mechanics, multitasking and unit control in the world. You never see an idle unit for DRG, he is always mobile, playing to zerg strengths. :D


exactly, and even with great mechanics like that and being one of the best zergs in SC2, he can still be easily beaten by an army controlled by mid-tier terrans. Doesnt matter what Units he makes. Once Terrans get to a certain point its just almost impossible to kill them.
Watch DRG vs Bomber at MLG on Shakuras and you'll see exactly what i mean.


that may say more about game design than anything. Code S terrans are favored against the other races and the maps are particularly good for terran this season. I think even the best zergs in the world are fighting an uphill battle against code S terrans. Leenok lost, Nestea went 2-1 to virus, BARELY winning the last game. DRG played great but really I didn't have the tools to deal with code s terran play. terrans a bit op atm and until a patch or HOTS comes out, baring walking helions . Maybe things will shape up better, balance and game design wise.
snafoo
Profile Joined August 2010
New Zealand1615 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-05 14:24:03
October 05 2011 14:23 GMT
#4093
On October 05 2011 23:20 shadymmj wrote:
I seriously had no opinion whatsoever on this "dong" zerg guy (although his name is rather similar to the true king of zerg), but after tuning in for the half of game 2 and all of game 3, he comes off to me as a guy who just...suddenly gives up. And I mean fantasy-esque gg timings right there.

Watched supernova hold on for so long on 4 bases for most of the game, think he did a great job although he lost, but he turned it into a great game anyhow. And dong had pull to out the /dance, okay fair enough - we're good sports, but he proceeded to get promptly beaten in the 3rd set without even putting up a fight.

I don't blame people for playing badly and losing, but if you drone drilled and lost too much, then maybe you should just gg right there and everyone would understand. If you decide to play on, then play on. Not lose a couple units and then gg...only fantasy is allowed to do that.

Supernova played with a sizeable disadvantage in income and still gave it all he got. Dong dude just flat out quit. Not looking forward to him again. Maybe it's the overhype. At least idra is a colourful personality outside the game.


....... You realize it was like, 2x the workers for supernova + the gold... He would of had 3x or more the income then DRG... He was dead.
Dragonmaster26
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia311 Posts
October 05 2011 14:24 GMT
#4094
On October 05 2011 23:22 Shellshock1122 wrote:
Ganzi vs MVP Finals with Ganzi winning back to back Code A and Code S


Impossible; they're on the same side of the bracket. Could be a semi final though.
poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
October 05 2011 14:24 GMT
#4095
Only if DRG had won the 1st game after such a huge lead. Would have been 2 - 0 easy and no one would have complained.
j0ker
Profile Joined August 2011
275 Posts
October 05 2011 14:24 GMT
#4096
reactor helion into extremely fast 3rd orbital was the build of the day today. can be stomped by an aggressive roach push, but most zergs arent used to that window being there. thats extremely tough to scout as well.
Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
October 05 2011 14:24 GMT
#4097
Dang, felt before the match that i should have voted for supernova :/ Great series of games throu out the day tho! Thanks for that GSL.
Fnatic - TSM - EG
Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
October 05 2011 14:24 GMT
#4098
On October 05 2011 23:22 snafoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 05 2011 23:17 Herry wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:14 RedDragon571 wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:11 aebriol wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:06 iamthedave wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:04 aebriol wrote:
On October 05 2011 23:03 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Supernova best Terran in the world?

Well ... rather, korean terrans showing their dominance?

Coca and NesTea, and one of them went through a Protoss ... and NesTea had problems, but managed, 2-1 vs a mediocre Terran.


Since when was Supernova a top Terran?

DRG isn't as good as people say he is. Simple as that.

Where did I wrote that Supernova is a top Terran? He isn't.

The point is that for mediocre code S players (ie - better than all foreigners), Terrans can beat the good but not great players pretty much consistently.

DRG isn't as good as some people want to say ... he is only the 2nd best ZvT in the world, and likely the second best Zerg in the world though. Some people have hyped him beyond that, which I don't think is fair.


Maybe lacking in the descision-making and strategy department against code s terrans, which he is inexperienced. You gotta admit DRG has without a doubt the best zerg mechanics, multitasking and unit control in the world. You never see an idle unit for DRG, he is always mobile, playing to zerg strengths. :D


exactly, and even with great mechanics like that and being one of the best zergs in SC2, he can still be easily beaten by an army controlled by mid-tier terrans. Doesnt matter what Units he makes. Once Terrans get to a certain point its just almost impossible to kill them.
Watch DRG vs Bomber at MLG on Shakuras and you'll see exactly what i mean.



The funny part is only a month or two ago the late game phase(broodlord + infestor) was considered RIDICULOUSLY Zerg-favoured and Blizzard was looking into potential changes. Things change, I mean, it's notl ike it's impossible to beat Terran as Zerg.... Hell, DRG won that second game that Supernova turtled in.....


He had max upgrades, 6 bases, and every tier of tech. and Supernova was still on 4 base and was building marine/maurder toward the end there. and it still took him that long.
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
October 05 2011 14:25 GMT
#4099
MVP 3-1 Nestea
SuperNova 2-2 Ganzi <- Will be Match of the Day, i dont dare to choose a winner ^.^
Clide 3-1 MMA
Happy 3-0 Coca
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
October 05 2011 14:25 GMT
#4100
On October 05 2011 23:22 garlicface wrote:
Show nested quote +
oGsSuperNova 김영진
아 기분좋다~!!!!!!!!!!!!! 더 달리자

No idea what it means.

Oh that feels good!!!!!!!
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