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On October 05 2011 23:11 aebriol wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 23:06 iamthedave wrote:On October 05 2011 23:04 aebriol wrote:On October 05 2011 23:03 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Supernova best Terran in the world? Well ... rather, korean terrans showing their dominance? Coca and NesTea, and one of them went through a Protoss ... and NesTea had problems, but managed, 2-1 vs a mediocre Terran. Since when was Supernova a top Terran? DRG isn't as good as people say he is. Simple as that. Where did I wrote that Supernova is a top Terran? He isn't. The point is that for mediocre code S players (ie - better than all foreigners), Terrans can beat the good but not great players pretty much consistently.
I've rarely seen a more well deserved victory in SC2 than the one Supernova got today, he was the better player overall. He might have played above the level he normally plays on, but that's irrelevant here.
Such a shame, perhaps if people stopped being so racially biased, they could actually enjoy the awesome games we get. -_-
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On October 05 2011 23:14 IM_Megan wrote:I'm sorry that I missed game 3 of DRG VS NOVA, I had to go and at game 2 I was already like OMG OMG HURRY UP! So sorry I could not LR! Hope you guys can forgive me :x 
Not much to LR anyway. Probably the worst game of the night (and that's not really saying it's bad), just that every other game was SOO good.
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On October 05 2011 23:14 IM_Megan wrote:I'm sorry that I missed game 3 of DRG VS NOVA, I had to go and at game 2 I was already like OMG OMG HURRY UP! So sorry I could not LR! Hope you guys can forgive me :x
NO
Poor DRG, game 1 will haunt him for a long time. He could have won it multiple times imo
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On October 05 2011 23:13 Dragonmaster26 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 23:10 snafoo wrote:On October 05 2011 23:07 Sfydjklm wrote:On October 05 2011 23:06 Reasonable wrote:
Can I please have that Who has the best ZvT poll initiated again please? So I can vote NesTea again. Thanks Virus is not in even in the same galaxy as Supernova skill wise. Yes, with Supernova's 40% TvZ win rate..... Come on, Supernova played well, so did Virus, both played much better then expected. Anyway, I find it interesting that DRG's BoX vT results are pretty weak compared to his Bo1(GSTL/Group) results... TBH I think DRG choked, especially game 3. Why didn't he make heaps of banelings when he saw SuperNova was going mass marines with his mutas?
supernova got the gold early and couldnt be punished for it, nothing DRG coulda done after that. with mules on the gold your so far behind that all the money banes in the world wont stop that many marine medivac.
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On October 05 2011 23:10 nofacej wrote:
I'm actually sick of hearing Tastosis talk about Nestea. I'm usually a big fan of Tastosis, and enjoy their hyping, but it's just getting ridiculous. To the point where I actually want Mvp to humiliate Nestea and stretch his record vs him to 11-1.
Seriously? It's fine to be frustrated with the bias you feel casters may have and how much they express it but wishing for a player to lose to punish the casters is your response?
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RO4 all terran...
After the best RO16 this GSL getting worse....
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On October 05 2011 23:16 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 23:14 IM_Megan wrote:I'm sorry that I missed game 3 of DRG VS NOVA, I had to go and at game 2 I was already like OMG OMG HURRY UP! So sorry I could not LR! Hope you guys can forgive me :x Not much to LR anyway. Probably the worst game of the night (and that's not really saying it's bad), just that every other game was SOO good.
Okai if you say so, still I do this for the people that can't watch the stream so hope they servived there work day without game 3 beeing lr by me 
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On October 05 2011 23:13 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 23:12 Bayyne wrote:
It'll be MVP v. winner of Ganzi/Supernova.
MVP is playing just too good atm, and just outplays him everytime they meet.
We will also see another TvTvTvT final 4 again btw. GG GomTvT I hear they're thinking about changing the name of the highest league to Code T.
I see what you did there. Nice one.
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Game 3 he was really tired. But how could he not punish Supernova when he caught the 2rax. in Game 1. And then wasted his lead
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On October 05 2011 23:14 Todevod wrote:Mvp 3-0 NesTea Ganzi 3-0 SuperNoVa MMA 3-0 Clide Happy 3-0 Coca Calling it 
Nestea should get 1 game off MVP.
Clide's T v T is pretty good; MMA's can be amazing or a little lackluster. I think this could be closer than people expect.
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On October 05 2011 23:14 IM_Megan wrote:I'm sorry that I missed game 3 of DRG VS NOVA, I had to go and at game 2 I was already like OMG OMG HURRY UP! So sorry I could not LR! Hope you guys can forgive me :x
Don't worry I've missed many more games
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On October 05 2011 23:14 RedDragon571 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 23:11 aebriol wrote:On October 05 2011 23:06 iamthedave wrote:On October 05 2011 23:04 aebriol wrote:On October 05 2011 23:03 FallDownMarigold wrote:
Supernova best Terran in the world? Well ... rather, korean terrans showing their dominance? Coca and NesTea, and one of them went through a Protoss ... and NesTea had problems, but managed, 2-1 vs a mediocre Terran. Since when was Supernova a top Terran? DRG isn't as good as people say he is. Simple as that. Where did I wrote that Supernova is a top Terran? He isn't. The point is that for mediocre code S players (ie - better than all foreigners), Terrans can beat the good but not great players pretty much consistently. DRG isn't as good as some people want to say ... he is only the 2nd best ZvT in the world, and likely the second best Zerg in the world though. Some people have hyped him beyond that, which I don't think is fair. Maybe lacking in the descision-making and strategy department against code s terrans, which he is inexperienced. You gotta admit DRG has without a doubt the best zerg mechanics, multitasking and unit control in the world. You never see an idle unit for DRG, he is always mobile, playing to zerg strengths. :D
exactly, and even with great mechanics like that and being one of the best zergs in SC2, he can still be easily beaten by an army controlled by mid-tier terrans. Doesnt matter what Units he makes. Once Terrans get to a certain point its just almost impossible to kill them.
Watch DRG vs Bomber at MLG on Shakuras and you'll see exactly what i mean.
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On October 05 2011 23:14 MrCon wrote:
For once I would have really loved for DRG to just make roaches and go kill him on crossfire.
But supernova has well studied his muta style, he build turret everywhere and turtled hard.
It was a smart gamble. He knew DRG would most likely go his favourite build fast liar into mutas in the clutch match so he used hellions to take out any potential ling scouts. As long as DRG didn't go for roaches, supernova would have been in a great position.
He also noticed how DRG puts so much gas into mutas that he has so little banes, so he just went marines medivac only to beat the crap out of DRG.
DRG is being read too easily and i think he needs a more reactive play style.
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On October 05 2011 23:10 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 23:08 Luppy1 wrote:
Congrats to supernova winning. But, I dont see how his play is any different from the typical TvZ play even on NA ladders. He turtled up so well and held on so well in Game 2 (and Game 1 to an extent). DRG almost never had a chance to do much of anything. Frankly DRG lost the first game rather than Supernova winning it. Should have went for a different late game unit composition, and been more careful with his engagements.
Ok, zerg players would probably want to engage at a more open area. But, what could DRG do, if the terran player seiges up at the choke? He had mass seige tanks everywhere, basically shutting out any form of ground attack. Supernova's unit comp is the same unit comp available to all terran players from 6 mins into the game and it was beating almost every possible unit choice in the zerg army. The only unit not used was the hydralisk, I think.
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On October 05 2011 23:16 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 23:14 IM_Megan wrote:I'm sorry that I missed game 3 of DRG VS NOVA, I had to go and at game 2 I was already like OMG OMG HURRY UP! So sorry I could not LR! Hope you guys can forgive me :x NO Poor DRG, game 1 will haunt him for a long time. He could have won it multiple times imo
I AM SO SORRY MrCon
But you did the maps wrong of the first match of today so I think we are even now! :D
hehe
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On October 05 2011 23:16 nofacej wrote:
Oh and as a side note, I think I've finally decided I don't like maps with remote gold bases unless there are destructible rocks making it difficult to get to them. Metalopolis has great gold base placing where you know instantly if your opponent takes it, and it's easy to punish them if they take it early because you don't leave your own base exposed by attacking it. Gaining an economic advantage through hiding a base that more than pays for the investment before it can be punished just seems really lame to me in a competitive game.
It's a problem compounded by the Terran lift off mechanic because early game you're not going to be able to kill it and the base will just relocate. This is coming from a Terran player, so I'm not being biased or whining about imbalance either.
yeah something in between lifting off, oversaturating a gold with mules, is kind of impossible to deal with as a zerg player. It's basically pull off a really good cheese, or just lose.
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MVP 3-1 Nestea
Ganzi 3-2 Supernova
MMA 3-2 Clide (sorry Artosis)
Happy 3-1 Coca
I'm with everyone on the four Terran semi-finals >.>
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On October 05 2011 23:17 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 23:14 IM_Megan wrote:I'm sorry that I missed game 3 of DRG VS NOVA, I had to go and at game 2 I was already like OMG OMG HURRY UP! So sorry I could not LR! Hope you guys can forgive me :x Don't worry I've missed many more games
I try to LR as much as I can but sometimes real life stuff gets in the way.. like eating sleeping having + Show Spoiler + and that kinda stuff.
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Damn the protoss that got through to ro16, he destroyed my prediction of Ro8 being Nestea vs Terrans (and I even almost would have failed that one due to Nestea almost losing as well).
+ Show Spoiler +What is more likely:
1. All terran players are better then all zerg/toss players
2. Sc2 is very far from balance at the moment
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EPT
