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Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
October 03 2011 16:29 GMT
#2141
What's with all this whine about Puma winning? Puma has been one of the best terrans (top 10 easily) in the world for a long time, with amazing results from the tournments he's joined.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6667 Posts
October 03 2011 16:42 GMT
#2142
On October 03 2011 21:29 FinBenton wrote:
Elfi going to take this event, calling it now.

e. with all of his 90apm

This... Will never happen. He played soo sloppy against Strelok and really neither of them deserved to win that series, it was just bad.

He played well in group stages but I think nerers get to him too much or something, because it was painful to watch and players like Puma or Idra will not lose if he plays like that again, IMO he is one of the weakest players left.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6667 Posts
October 03 2011 16:44 GMT
#2143
On October 04 2011 01:29 Dreamer.T wrote:
What's with all this whine about Puma winning? Puma has been one of the best terrans (top 10 easily) in the world for a long time, with amazing results from the tournments he's joined.

I really didn't bother to read that far back into the LR but I assume the Whine is about how he won, not that he won. People(Especially us Protoss) will always whine when one of our up and coming heroes get wiped out by 1-1-1.

Plus seeing as its the only build Puma seems to be able to do in TvP it makes for very boring and predictable series to watch...
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27459 Posts
October 03 2011 16:50 GMT
#2144
Pretty pathetic really that every time a foreigner beats a Korean straight up it's either because of jetlag or 'they aren't a top Korean'. The Korean scene is stronger than the foreign scene, that's pretty self-evident but can we please stop devaluing foreigner wins vs Koreans every time it happens?

JYP has shown some really inspirational PvZ lately but got trashed by Dimaga because he reverted to a more outdated style for no apparent reason, was quite strange but very well played by Dimaga, only for him to drop his level and lose to Hasu!

Also ridiculous the hate Puma gets. I hate to see 1/1/1 but it's not as if he's using it every game and his ability to come back against that Chinese Zerg on the first day with CONSTANT drops being well controlled was mechanically impressive.
'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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Fruggles
Profile Joined May 2011
United States4 Posts
October 03 2011 17:01 GMT
#2145
On October 04 2011 01:50 Ubertron wrote:
Pretty pathetic really that every time a foreigner beats a Korean straight up it's either because of jetlag or 'they aren't a top Korean'. The Korean scene is stronges than the foreign scene, that's pretty self-evident but can we please stop devaluing foreigner wins vs Koreans every time it happens?

(P)JYP has shown some really inspirational PvZ lately but got trashed by (Z)DIMAGA because he reverted to a more outdated style for no apparent reason, was quite strange but very well played by DIMAGA, only for him to drop his level and lose to Hasu!


Um...

Problem officer?

A higher level Korean player (or (P)HuK for that matter - same thing wouldn't have made the errors JYP did. Yes, he's a stronger player at his level (let's sigh high masters for example's sake) than any foreigner at that same level, but he's not a "Code S" Korean, so I fail to see why you are upset when people say a top Korean would have done better.

If (Z)NesTea was playing (T)IdrA, I bet NesTea would win - because he's a top Korean...(Z)RevivaL isn't.

Derpsville - Population ONE.


edit - lol @ "tlpd-ize" every other word was transformed...sigh...
The secret to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources.
ChemBroTron
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany194 Posts
October 03 2011 17:09 GMT
#2146
IEM rerun (idra vs. revival) happens now.
evil_lesh
Profile Joined July 2010
Latvia68 Posts
October 03 2011 17:26 GMT
#2147
Dimaga, noooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!....


My heart shattered I was so hoping he would win this event.
DIE DIE DIE
Autunno
Profile Joined January 2011
Brazil147 Posts
October 03 2011 17:26 GMT
#2148
On October 04 2011 02:01 Fruggles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 01:50 Ubertron wrote:
Pretty pathetic really that every time a foreigner beats a Korean straight up it's either because of jetlag or 'they aren't a top Korean'. The Korean scene is stronges than the foreign scene, that's pretty self-evident but can we please stop devaluing foreigner wins vs Koreans every time it happens?

(P)JYP has shown some really inspirational PvZ lately but got trashed by (Z)DIMAGA because he reverted to a more outdated style for no apparent reason, was quite strange but very well played by DIMAGA, only for him to drop his level and lose to Hasu!


Um...

Problem officer?

A higher level Korean player (or (P)HuK for that matter - same thing wouldn't have made the errors JYP did. Yes, he's a stronger player at his level (let's sigh high masters for example's sake) than any foreigner at that same level, but he's not a "Code S" Korean, so I fail to see why you are upset when people say a top Korean would have done better.

If (Z)NesTea was playing (T)IdrA, I bet NesTea would win - because he's a top Korean...(Z)RevivaL isn't.

Derpsville - Population ONE.


edit - lol @ "tlpd-ize" every other word was transformed...sigh...


I think that in order to state that, we need to define what "TOP" means. Does being a top player means that you are what, top 16? top 32? Is it by achievement? I consider code A material pretty high tier, considering the amount of people trying to get in. So many good players were in Code B not long ago, DRG, Bomber...

Revival have not yet had many results, but showed some great games on the team league. Does he play as well as Nestea? Nope, but that doesn't necessarily means he can't be considered top level.
Buzzo
Profile Joined June 2011
58 Posts
October 03 2011 17:53 GMT
#2149
On October 03 2011 17:15 darkest44 wrote:
[...] JYP sucks vs Terran period, not just a certain build.
[...]


i have nothing against Puma, he's strong and smart; good builds, good decision making, good control, etc...

but....

to be honest, at the moment, there are no protoss players "good enough" to beat a top korean terran

they all "suck vs terran"
icarly
Profile Joined August 2011
United States400 Posts
October 03 2011 18:44 GMT
#2150
On October 04 2011 02:53 Buzzo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 17:15 darkest44 wrote:
[...] JYP sucks vs Terran period, not just a certain build.
[...]


i have nothing against Puma, he's strong and smart; good builds, good decision making, good control, etc...

but....

to be honest, at the moment, there are no protoss players "good enough" to beat a top korean terran

they all "suck vs terran"


2 recent Toss all kills in the GSL as well as Sangho beating Polt (one of the best tvpers in the world) really contradicts that statement.
CptGrackSparrow
Profile Joined February 2011
United States278 Posts
October 03 2011 18:45 GMT
#2151
On October 04 2011 02:26 Autunno wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 04 2011 02:01 Fruggles wrote:
On October 04 2011 01:50 Ubertron wrote:
Pretty pathetic really that every time a foreigner beats a Korean straight up it's either because of jetlag or 'they aren't a top Korean'. The Korean scene is stronges than the foreign scene, that's pretty self-evident but can we please stop devaluing foreigner wins vs Koreans every time it happens?

(P)JYP has shown some really inspirational PvZ lately but got trashed by (Z)DIMAGA because he reverted to a more outdated style for no apparent reason, was quite strange but very well played by DIMAGA, only for him to drop his level and lose to Hasu!


Um...

Problem officer?

A higher level Korean player (or (P)HuK for that matter - same thing wouldn't have made the errors JYP did. Yes, he's a stronger player at his level (let's sigh high masters for example's sake) than any foreigner at that same level, but he's not a "Code S" Korean, so I fail to see why you are upset when people say a top Korean would have done better.

If (Z)NesTea was playing (T)IdrA, I bet NesTea would win - because he's a top Korean...(Z)RevivaL isn't.

Derpsville - Population ONE.


edit - lol @ "tlpd-ize" every other word was transformed...sigh...


I think that in order to state that, we need to define what "TOP" means. Does being a top player means that you are what, top 16? top 32? Is it by achievement? I consider code A material pretty high tier, considering the amount of people trying to get in. So many good players were in Code B not long ago, DRG, Bomber...

Revival have not yet had many results, but showed some great games on the team league. Does he play as well as Nestea? Nope, but that doesn't necessarily means he can't be considered top level.



i think theres a signifigant difference between a Korean player, a top korean and an elite korean.

- Elite koreans are the best of the best. MVP or Nestea for example. These players are almost always favored no matter who the opponent or what race they play.
- Top koreans are consistant Code S/A caliber players - Nada; July; Clide; HuK; etc.
- Koreans are those we know of but only from GSTL or a random Code A apperance - Seed; Tails; Luvsic

This is just my opinion though and there's a lot of issues with players who fall between categories. Is DRG in the "Top" korean or an "Elite". Where does MC lie?
Nolot
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom271 Posts
October 03 2011 18:46 GMT
#2152
Anyone knows if the vods are up anywhere from the first and second day aswell?
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
October 03 2011 20:09 GMT
#2153
On October 04 2011 03:46 Nolot wrote:
Anyone knows if the vods are up anywhere from the first and second day aswell?


We don't have enough upload from China to post VODs from here. =(

Restreams happen ever day around 7PM CET (I think).

VODs will be posted when we get home.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
October 03 2011 20:21 GMT
#2154
On October 03 2011 16:28 Fission wrote:
Mr. Bitter doesn't seem to understand that the counter to 1/1/1 allin is a 1gate FE : /


Just saw this.

lolwut?

You're right. I definitely do not understand that 1 gate FE counters 1/1/1. Someone's going to have to explain this one to me.
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
October 03 2011 20:23 GMT
#2155
The quality of this rebroadcast is a catastrophe...
I don't wanna be flaming or something but it's laggy to the the point where it's unwatchable and keeps jumping back and forth several minutes. For example right before what looked like it could have been the deciding fight between Elfi and Strelok on Shattered Temple it just jumped back to the game before and when it went back to Shattered the game was alredy decided.
I didn't watch the series I'm watching now this morning and the one i saw were fine, so it's probably only a problem with the rebroadcast and the original one is fine but it's still annoying.
It's probably not really IEM crew's fault though.
dala
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden477 Posts
October 03 2011 20:33 GMT
#2156
On October 03 2011 12:16 superLanboy wrote:
Before playing (0-0):

[image loading]

After winning Dual Sight (1-0):

[image loading]

After losing Shattered Temple (1-1):

[image loading]

After winning Xel'Naga (2-1):

[image loading]

After winning Metalopolis (3-1) and advancing to the semi finals of the IEM:

[image loading]


Wow, that was a lot of emotions for being IdrA.
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
October 03 2011 20:58 GMT
#2157
-.- So i check this thread today in latin to see results, teacher comes and asks me what team liquid is, and i tell him its a environmental science site...

yay for IdrA~
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
October 03 2011 21:33 GMT
#2158
Even though I'm sure that this thread is dead... I have to comment on the fact that people whine way too much in general and only dwell on shit games where the outcomes are much more predictable.

No one talks about the only close series in the round of Dimaga vs Hasu... it was also a slight upset as Dimaga seems to have been playing better than Hasu recently.

But haters gonna spam threads.
AzureD
Profile Joined September 2010
United States320 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-03 21:36:47
October 03 2011 21:34 GMT
#2159
Those games with Dimaga vs Hasuobs where frustrating to watch.

So I have a question. Why don't Zerg players when going Roach, Ling, Infestor split their armies in two so they are always in a flanking position? Every game it was hard to watch Roaches and Lings engage with one front line when he seemed to have tons and tons of opportunities for flanking but he just kept one ball of units and just 1A with it. I feel like Roach Ling armies are designed for flanking. They are the best when used that way. At least that is how I see them vs Protoss.

I feel that flanking reduces the effectiveness of Colossi and Sentry by a great deal.

If I where to picture it on the minimap it would look like the Zerg was a binary star system and the Protoss army the center of mass.
AlternativeEgo
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden17309 Posts
October 03 2011 22:52 GMT
#2160
Glad Hasu and Elfi both made it to the semi and that one of them is guaranteed a spot in the final. Well deserved whoever makes it.

On October 03 2011 16:10 Grettin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 03 2011 16:09 iaguz wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:08 Xplitcit wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:07 Daralii wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:06 flakmonkey wrote:
On October 03 2011 16:05 MCDayC wrote:
What's with Puma's hair?


It's an requirement to join EG to either have red hair or grow the beard. He can't grow a beard so he went for the red hair.

You also have to bench 200 pounds minimum within a year, or they terminate your contract.

Then why is Demuslim still there?


They make an exception if you're english I guess. They know the poor bastards will just drop it on their toes anyway.


Yep, Brits can't lift weights. ;-)


Dorian Yates and Zack Khan are not amused. :p
Mark Munoz looks like Gretorp
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