On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
You mean listen to a great show (that I like) who often features, Machine who's accomplishement in SC2 are abysmal, Incontrol & Tyler who are in such a slump and not even playing that much anymore, there is just Idra who actually have results in there.
Only because they don't post good results at tournaments doesn't mean they have no clue about the scene. I'm pretty sure Incontrol and Tyler have both great understanding of the community and the scene.
On November 13 2011 07:46 JoeAWESOME wrote: Tbh you need to get mutas out vs Mech. Then they have to get more thors and they always need to be afraid of mass mutas.
the more thors goody has the faster he will win :D . Don't think i saw a game where goody lost, when he was able to constantly produce 3 or 6 thors at a time. But thats because of his low worker count late game, so much army. When i heard oh and stephano now building 1x drones i thought big mistake lol.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
Like taking candy from a baby...
Really? Because I've yet to see anyone responding to my posts say anything besides "boxer said so"
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
Because Stephano has almost $20,000 more in earnings than the next foreigner up?
On November 13 2011 07:42 ilovelings wrote: GoOdy's playstyile
1) Bunker Rush 2) Expand 3) Get supplied blocked 4) Queue units like a madman 5) Push 6) Park in the enemy's base 7)Stay there until all resistance has been dealt with.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
Like taking candy from a baby...
Really? Because I've yet to see anyone responding to my posts say anything besides "boxer said so"
I'm talking about you, and your ability to not get trolled
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
any show with incontrol in it and other code F players cant be accurate or have any facts in them sorry
Lol, are you serious? A person like Tyler, who might not've perfomed great in SC2, but who was very close to playing BW in Korea competetively has far more to say about skill/talent than a person like Stephano.
i guess by your rationale, siskel and ebert should have just shut up for their entire career because they've never made a film, and we should listen to michael bay's opinions instead
Ebert thinks Clockwork Orange sucks. So yes. What I was getting at was that you don't "diss" players simply because they aren't as "good" as your hero, Tyler was one of the best BW-players and I dare say that he knows more about what's S-class and what's not than the common TL-user.
But, yeah. I see what you mean, especially when one looks at the success that Steph has had. And the fact that BoxeR thinks that he obv could compete in Code S as well..
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
Because Stephano has almost $20,000 more in earnings than the next foreigner up?
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
Because Stephano has almost $20,000 more in earnings than the next foreigner up?
MLG had far more difficulty oppenents in it than IPL3, yet IPL3 gave 4x the prize money. You can't judge on winnings, otherwise Fruitdealer is like the sixth best player in Korea atm then.
On November 13 2011 07:30 mitthrawn wrote: Guess that makes Goody the best foreigner ever of all time in history.
Why?
Stephano's ZvT was perfect in IPL 3 and now he lost, but still that doesn't make Goody the best non-korean of all time, Stephano was never the best to begin with.
Oo @IPL3 he won ZvTs against TheSTC and Boxer who aren't a perfect showcase of good TvZ and got completly demolished by Alive. I'm not sure how someone can conclude perfect ZvT from this performance lol.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
Because Stephano has almost $20,000 more in earnings than the next foreigner up?
Yeah, prizemoney is the way to determine the skill level of a tournament.
That's why people only get 5000$ for winning mlg, such a bad player tournament. Never see good players there. And code a, lol it had only 1500$ for the winner, that's why every player was bad.
EPT
