On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
any show with incontrol in it and other code F players cant be accurate or have any facts in them sorry
Lol, are you serious? A person like Tyler, who might not've perfomed great in SC2, but who was very close to playing BW in Korea competetively has far more to say about skill/talent than a person like Stephano.
i guess by your rationale, siskel and ebert should have just shut up for their entire career because they've never made a film, and we should listen to michael bay's opinions instead
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On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
You're probably more qualified to say who deserves to be in code S than actual code S players or those who've been there (MKP, BoxeR for instance)
That's the dumbest post I've ever seen. How does Stephano deserve to be in Code S? Because Boxer said so? Rofl. What Code S players has Stephano beat in a LAN enviourment?
HuK, viOlet, Boxer, MKP, you may have heard of them.
Don't you realize that saying that Stephano isn't code S level is as stupid as saying he's not ? We can't be sure until he tries.
Only one of those players is Code S level. Like I said before, Stephano has very good ZvP, maybe it is Code S level. But overall? Hell no, he is not Code S level.
On November 13 2011 07:50 Tsubbi wrote: i would've preferred if they had cut the 3rd place match instead of making semis bo3 in a single elimination format
they already shifted that to offline, not that they should have scheduled such garbage in the first place
Jesus guys, people want to cheer for their favourites. Stephano is still a great player, i'm pretty sure Idra has lost to Goody before, in an XMG series cup.
Goody is actually a very good player and could be an even better player, if he had more APM. He plays smart and plays to his strengths, queuing up scvs like that is to make sure he has more time devoted to something else. If he worked on this, he would become an even better player than he already is. Stephano made mistakes, as much as any decent player out there right now.
It's funny how Goody wasn't supposed to be there to begin with, much like Morrows IEM victory a year ago in Cologne. "Legend of the European replacement terrans playing in Germany.. of the fall" Hmm, not as catchy.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
On November 13 2011 07:53 Alur wrote: It's funny how Goody wasn't supposed to be there to begin with, much like Morrows IEM victory a year ago in Cologne. "Legend of the European replacement terrans playing in Germany.. of the fall" Hmm, not as catchy.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
any show with incontrol in it and other code F players cant be accurate or have any facts in them sorry
Lol, are you serious? A person like Tyler, who might not've perfomed great in SC2, but who was very close to playing BW in Korea competetively has far more to say about skill/talent than a person like Stephano.
Personally I dont really care But I will say this.
Boxer isnt only a player but probably the best scout sc has ever known. If he says a player is good than that player is good. I think when pros judge the skills of other pros, Boxer is the man you want to follow.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
On November 13 2011 07:53 koolaid1990 wrote: stephano is overrated... i mean he got owned by puma at IEM then he got owned by Boxer at MLG and hiz zvt is sopposedly his best matchup
MVP is overrated, he lost to adelscott, MMA, bomber, genius, alicia, julyzerg, choya, zenio,...
On November 13 2011 07:53 koolaid1990 wrote: stephano is overrated... i mean he got owned by puma at IEM then he got owned by Boxer at MLG and hiz zvt is sopposedly his best matchup
did you even watched his games vs. boxer? He was doing some crazy shit and lost, would he have done standart zvt stuff with gas units he would crushed boxer .. and saying he is overrated because he lost vs. puma is just ridiculous.
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