On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
You mean listen to a great show (that I like) who often features, Machine who's accomplishement in SC2 are abysmal, Incontrol & Tyler who are in such a slump and not even playing that much anymore, there is just Idra who actually have results in there.
Only because they don't post good results at tournaments doesn't mean they have no clue about the scene. I'm pretty sure Incontrol and Tyler have both great understanding of the community and the scene.
Haha, wasn't that the exact argument he tried to contradict. Boxer can't judge because he isn't Code S but Incontrol and Tyler can because they have good knowledge of the scene. Better read everything not just the last quote.
On November 13 2011 07:54 Lukeeze[zR] wrote: sc2, a game in which you're only as good as your last match says
+1
On a serious note. He did say he was bad at mech + he should have won that game.
Also mech is very hard to deal with...
Hmm, if that's the case why does the majority of terrans go Marine/Tank/Med in TvZ instead of full mech? Honestly, I'll repeat, if Stephano had made 20 mutas instead of Greater Spire and a bunch of Corruptors that can't shoot down, he would have held. 20 mutas magic box Thors easily, especially if there's no Marine support.
On November 13 2011 07:53 koolaid1990 wrote: stephano is overrated... i mean he got owned by puma at IEM then he got owned by Boxer at MLG and hiz zvt is sopposedly his best matchup
MVP is overrated, he lost to adelscott, MMA, bomber, genius, alicia, julyzerg, choya, zenio,...
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
Because Stephano has almost $20,000 more in earnings than the next foreigner up?
MLG had far more difficulty oppenents in it than IPL3, yet IPL3 gave 4x the prize money. You can't judge on winnings, otherwise Fruitdealer is like the sixth best player in Korea atm then.
wow thats amazing really amazing. when huk had lost vs elfi people was bashing hard elfi. and NO one saying huk was not good or overrated. but when stephano loose a lot of people are bashing him as hell saying is not that good overrated, over hyped blablabla. wtf with you people ?
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
You mean listen to a great show (that I like) who often features, Machine who's accomplishement in SC2 are abysmal, Incontrol & Tyler who are in such a slump and not even playing that much anymore, there is just Idra who actually have results in there.
Only because they don't post good results at tournaments doesn't mean they have no clue about the scene. I'm pretty sure Incontrol and Tyler have both great understanding of the community and the scene.
Haha, wasn't that the exact argument he tried to contradict. Boxer can't judge because he isn't Code S but Incontrol and Tyler can because they have good knowledge of the scene. Better read everything not just the last quote.
They all have good knowledge, that was my point. Boxer thinks one thing, other players think other things etc. Doesn't make either of them true.
On November 13 2011 07:53 koolaid1990 wrote: stephano is overrated... i mean he got owned by puma at IEM then he got owned by Boxer at MLG and hiz zvt is sopposedly his best matchup
MVP is overrated, he lost to adelscott, MMA, bomber, genius, alicia, julyzerg, choya, zenio,...
Except MVP is actually good?
he was sarcastic.. saying that someone is overrated just because he lost to someone is just stupid.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
Stephano is the best foreigner player in the world, though.
This is exactly my point. How the hell can you make a claim like that? He won two tournaments. Idra won two. HuK won one and is having sucess in Korea. How do you judge based on that?
Because Stephano has almost $20,000 more in earnings than the next foreigner up?
MLG had far more difficulty oppenents in it than IPL3, yet IPL3 gave 4x the prize money. You can't judge on winnings, otherwise Fruitdealer is like the sixth best player in Korea atm then.
That makes no logical sense, my good man.
How does it not? The kid was arguing Stephano was the best based on prize winnings. I'm saying that doesn't accurately describe the oppenents they played.
On November 13 2011 07:53 koolaid1990 wrote: stephano is overrated... i mean he got owned by puma at IEM then he got owned by Boxer at MLG and hiz zvt is sopposedly his best matchup
MVP is overrated, he lost to adelscott, MMA, bomber, genius, alicia, julyzerg, choya, zenio,...
Except MVP is actually good?
And here am I thinking they teach logic in schools.
On November 13 2011 08:03 JohnMatrix wrote: wow thats amazing really amazing. when huk had lost vs elfi people was bashing hard elfi. and NO one saying huk was not good or overrated. but when stephano loose a lot of people are bashing him as hell saying is not that good overrated, over hyped blablabla. wtf with you people ?
Stephano was being incredibly hyped so there would be backlash sooner or later, just like Huk. However they lost their series in two completely different manners, which accounts for the disparate reactions.
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