On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Ok im gonna bite the bait.
Idra would have GG at the first sight of Thors+scv's. As was said before. Goody has some deadly mech timings so losing to them isnt a shame. Look how goody perfectly timed his spire snipe. It was a Great Spire for 2 seconds ^^
well... we can say the old idrA would have gg'd before the actual fight, but idrA did improve his mentality a bit.
On November 13 2011 07:42 teumas wrote: Damn, nerchio is happy now he don't have to meet stephano
gogo nerchio, for the swarm!
See, I actually wonder if that's really the case. Nerchio has the sickest ZvZ I've ever seen. Honestly, I remember watching him micro his lings SO well in the early game it was downright scary. On the other hand, I'm not sure how good Stephano's ZvZ is. I'm sure it's good, but I think Nerchio is pretty well known to have top tier ZvZ.
But now he's got to play against a meching terran. Very few terrans still use straight mech. I don't know how comfy Nerchio is against mech, but I'm guessing that a lot of zergs would at least be a bit nervous. If Goody's mech is good enough to beat Stephano I know I would be nervous lol. It's just a bit of a wildcard factor, I suppose.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
any show with incontrol in it and other code F players cant be accurate or have any facts in them sorry
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
but you are right? ... srsly why does this discussions even come up ... u cant look at 2 good players and say he isnt code s material and he is ... thats just nonsense, get yourself together plz
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
k i thought u said sotg must be mistaking then
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
any show with incontrol in it and other code F players cant be accurate or have any facts in them sorry
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
You're probably more qualified to say who deserves to be in code S than actual code S players or those who've been there (MKP, BoxeR for instance)
That's the dumbest post I've ever seen. How does Stephano deserve to be in Code S? Because Boxer said so? Rofl. What Code S players has Stephano beat in a LAN enviourment?
HuK, viOlet, Boxer, MKP, you may have heard of them.
Dont forget MMA
Yeah, idk. Mech is hard to deal with + not that many people play it so it's harder to get proper practice against it
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
You mean listen to a great show (that I like) who often features, Machine who's accomplishement in SC2 are abysmal, Incontrol & Tyler who are in such a slump and not even playing that much anymore, there is just Idra who actually have results in there.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Hater alert!
Not sure who has, but the best ZVT player in the world wouldn't have stopped those pushes, unless they got a lair at about the 3 minute mark, which if they did, the terran would just build lots of marines and win that way...
Stephano did beat MMA, IdrA has beaten lots of good terrans also, stephano got beat from goody, idra has also been beaten from terrans who aren't quite as good.
They are both Code S level IMO
Yes they would have. Stephano's defenses in those two games were pretty abyssmal. Goody didn't even micro paticulary well. Neither of them are Code S level, except in maybe 1 MU, stop with this rampant fanboyism and try to think rationally for once people.
Stephano has won more in one month than any other foreigner has done in his whole career. His growth rate is like 500% better than any other player in the world. He just lost one series, get over yourself - and it wasn't even against a bad player.
Jesus people. I'm not saying he's bad, he's fucking amazing. I just said that I was tired of people hyping him up to the best freaking player in the world.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
any show with incontrol in it and other code F players cant be accurate or have any facts in them sorry
Lol, are you serious? A person like Tyler, who might not've perfomed great in SC2, but who was very close to playing BW in Korea competetively has far more to say about skill/talent than a person like Stephano.
On November 13 2011 07:42 teumas wrote: Damn, nerchio is happy now he don't have to meet stephano
gogo nerchio, for the swarm!
See, I actually wonder if that's really the case. Nerchio has the sickest ZvZ I've ever seen. Honestly, I remember watching him micro his lings SO well in the early game it was downright scary. On the other hand, I'm not sure how good Stephano's ZvZ is. I'm sure it's good, but I think Nerchio is pretty well known to have top tier ZvZ.
But now he's got to play against a meching terran. Very few terrans still use straight mech. I don't know how comfy Nerchio is against mech, but I'm guessing that a lot of zergs would at least be a bit nervous. If Goody's mech is good enough to beat Stephano I know I would be nervous lol. It's just a bit of a wildcard factor, I suppose.
Anyway, who knows.
Nerchio has Go0dy's number historically. He has won almost all, if not all, of their matchups.
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
You types of people really had to come to this thread that has been beautiful and happy for over 110 pages and shit all over it, right?
couldn't agree more! sure there are always different opinions but this thread has been very civilized. and now some stupid haters apparently want to ruin it by trying to shit on stephano because he lost one bo3. i was cheering for goody, but this is f***ing annoying! take your delusions and blind hatred elsewhere!!
On November 13 2011 07:34 1Eris1 wrote: Can we stop overrating Stephano now? Kid's got good ZvP and ZvZ but his ZvT isn't at Idra (or probably Ret's level), and certainly not "CODE S"
I hope I can find my post where I said I'm going to laugh when Stephano doesn't win this tournament.
Stephano loses and the same old naysayers come out immediately lol.
All we can conclude is that he isn't too good against mech-play
Boxer said Stephano is CodeS level, and I value his opinion over yours
Boxer isn't even Code S level though.
This is the most stupid form of ignorance. Only a Code S player can judge if someone is good or not. Some kind of religious arrogant faschism.
Religious arrogant faschism? Wtf dude. How do you come up with that one? There are plenty of pro's, just as good as Boxer who will say Stephano is NOT code S level. What does that mean? Shit, just go listen to SOTG or something.
You mean listen to a great show (that I like) who often features, Machine who's accomplishement in SC2 are abysmal, Incontrol & Tyler who are in such a slump and not even playing that much anymore, there is just Idra who actually have results in there.
SOTG is an example. Sorry I don't keep offhand statements by players on other players.
EPT
