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On September 26 2011 20:36 -y0shi- wrote:
Sage played nice, yes, but cant people stop hyping these games soo much? THeyy were good games but e.g. if the zegr gets one overseer instead of relying on spores for detection all of this wont work anymore. So its nothing that will really see a ton of play in the future IMO.
The only really inspriing thing for me were those pylon forcefields xD
No, you got it wrong.
He did some sort of build that Zerg usually faces as 6gate pressure, 7 gate all-in etc. Unless scouted, the Zerg would almost most likely not bet on a DT attack as DT attacks are usually built on 1 base.
Zerg did get overseers bro. However, his tactics made sure that 1 overseer was never enough. The beauty of the DT attack.
Most of the decisions made by Sage in these games were carefully calculated, such as the immediate mass immortal production upon scouting out the roach warren even when the Zerg did not build a single roach yet. He anticipated those attacks coming rather than reacting to those attacks.
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Liquid vs Slayers next ? gotta shower 1st
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Also, he is not merlintoss he is braintoss goddammit! His micro and macro are great but his intelligent play is what makes him stand out more than anything.
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On September 26 2011 20:40 alexlw92 wrote:
song at the end was angel with a shotgun - the cap
Thank you!
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On September 26 2011 20:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 20:33 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:30 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:23 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:21 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:18 kratos-23 wrote:On September 26 2011 20:16 Wildsound wrote:
Sage is actually off the hook. My mate laughed at me over a month ago when I said this guy was better than MC. Who's laughing now. mc won like 10 tournamens, sage none. so i guess mc is indeed better. Not once has MC impressed me like sage did in at least 50% of his games, and trust me, I watched a lot more of MC. That has to be the dumbest statement I've seen so far in this LR thread. I'm sorry, but that's just they way it is for me, sage may not be the best player macro or micro wise but he is definetely the player with the most brilliant tactical play and that's what matters for me. You say you love tactical play, and you didn't appreciate MC when he was at his best? He had alot of beautiful tactical plays that no other protoss could do at that point. I'm not too sure you was watching MC as much as you say. I watched every single GSL game and I mostly remember him spamming forcefields to easy victories, not impressive, even san impressed me way more than MC ever did.
You're mentioning games he's cheesed, stop posting nonsense. He was the first Protoss to start using blink first in PvT with a lot of success, now it's standard in KR PvT, he probably had the best VR/Phoenix control vs Zerg. Definately had the best Protoss micro back in the day and it's still probably top 3.
He's still a great player, and he'll be back in code S, he played all his matches pre patch, things have changed now, stop being such a hater.
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On September 26 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I want to play protoss now....
This is a very rare feeling for me, usually SC2 protoss disgusts me and causes me to throw things in rage - liked crumpled up paper cups or my headset.
I know how you feel. Usually I find protoss pretty boring, but sage's playstyle is so cool. He seems to be everywhere at once and on top of everything that is happening. So much cleverness happening at the same time.
To some extent I felt this way about terran when I first watched MMA play. It just is so cool seeing him drop everywhere at once on what seems to be only a desperated attempt to do some damage, while the said drops are only a distraction to the bigger scheme: the push that's going on at the same time.
On September 26 2011 20:37 TheSwamp wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 20:36 dmnum wrote:On September 26 2011 20:36 jorge_the_awesome wrote:
What is wolf talking about?
What happened in the AoL? + Show Spoiler +boxer vs naniwa game 1
it ended up being a draw haha LOL formatting fail! Edit: wtf ninja edit?
The other forum I use you can just leave the tag open and it still works. Hope I didn't spoiled the game for anyone. 
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On September 26 2011 20:36 -y0shi- wrote:
Sage played nice, yes, but cant people stop hyping these games soo much? THeyy were good games but e.g. if the zegr gets one overseer instead of relying on spores for detection all of this wont work anymore. So its nothing that will really see a ton of play in the future IMO.
The only really inspriing thing for me were those pylon forcefields xD
I don't see why it won't see a lot of play - it can take advantage of a time before the lair is finished. Or toss could do something with phoenix as well reminiscient of the corsair/dt stuff in BW. Technically it should be easier because in BW all ovies had detection.
But the point is every game we see Sage play he makes it clear what an intelligent player he is and how you can play protoss differently. It's exciting.
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interesting - all final 4 qualified from Preliminaries
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On September 26 2011 20:43 Benzzro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 20:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:33 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:30 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:23 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:21 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:18 kratos-23 wrote:On September 26 2011 20:16 Wildsound wrote:
Sage is actually off the hook. My mate laughed at me over a month ago when I said this guy was better than MC. Who's laughing now. mc won like 10 tournamens, sage none. so i guess mc is indeed better. Not once has MC impressed me like sage did in at least 50% of his games, and trust me, I watched a lot more of MC. That has to be the dumbest statement I've seen so far in this LR thread. I'm sorry, but that's just they way it is for me, sage may not be the best player macro or micro wise but he is definetely the player with the most brilliant tactical play and that's what matters for me. You say you love tactical play, and you didn't appreciate MC when he was at his best? He had alot of beautiful tactical plays that no other protoss could do at that point. I'm not too sure you was watching MC as much as you say. I watched every single GSL game and I mostly remember him spamming forcefields to easy victories, not impressive, even san impressed me way more than MC ever did. You're mentioning games he's cheesed, stop posting nonsense. He was the first Protoss to start using blink first in PvT with a lot of success, now it's standard in KR PvT, he probably had the best VR/Phoenix control vs Zerg. Definately had the best Protoss micro back in the day and it's still probably top 3. He's still a great player, and he'll be back in code S, he played all his matches pre patch, things have changed now, stop being such a hater. I agree that MC's micro was indeed very good but I also said that I don't care all that much about micro.
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When jumping to defend MC consider the tense you are writing in. Sure I completely agree with every compliment there is about MC back in the day.
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On September 26 2011 20:43 The KY wrote:
But the point is every game we see Sage play he makes it clear what an intelligent player he is and how you can play protoss differently. It's exciting.
And that's why he is the Braintoss, and not some Harry Potter with a beard.
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On September 26 2011 20:43 The KY wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 20:36 -y0shi- wrote:
Sage played nice, yes, but cant people stop hyping these games soo much? THeyy were good games but e.g. if the zegr gets one overseer instead of relying on spores for detection all of this wont work anymore. So its nothing that will really see a ton of play in the future IMO.
The only really inspriing thing for me were those pylon forcefields xD I don't see why it won't see a lot of play - it can take advantage of a time before the lair is finished. Or toss could do something with phoenix as well reminiscient of the corsair/dt stuff in BW. Technically it should be easier because in BW all ovies had detection. But the point is every game we see Sage play he makes it clear what an intelligent player he is and how you can play protoss differently. It's exciting.
He scouted the late gas, he scouts everything then responds to it more than anyone, his game on Tal'Darim @gstl where he scouted like a mad man sending probe after probe is still the most impressive pvz I've seen to date.
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On September 26 2011 20:47 TYJ.Aoy wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 20:43 Benzzro wrote:On September 26 2011 20:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:33 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:30 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:23 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:21 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:18 kratos-23 wrote:On September 26 2011 20:16 Wildsound wrote:
Sage is actually off the hook. My mate laughed at me over a month ago when I said this guy was better than MC. Who's laughing now. mc won like 10 tournamens, sage none. so i guess mc is indeed better. Not once has MC impressed me like sage did in at least 50% of his games, and trust me, I watched a lot more of MC. That has to be the dumbest statement I've seen so far in this LR thread. I'm sorry, but that's just they way it is for me, sage may not be the best player macro or micro wise but he is definetely the player with the most brilliant tactical play and that's what matters for me. You say you love tactical play, and you didn't appreciate MC when he was at his best? He had alot of beautiful tactical plays that no other protoss could do at that point. I'm not too sure you was watching MC as much as you say. I watched every single GSL game and I mostly remember him spamming forcefields to easy victories, not impressive, even san impressed me way more than MC ever did. You're mentioning games he's cheesed, stop posting nonsense. He was the first Protoss to start using blink first in PvT with a lot of success, now it's standard in KR PvT, he probably had the best VR/Phoenix control vs Zerg. Definately had the best Protoss micro back in the day and it's still probably top 3. He's still a great player, and he'll be back in code S, he played all his matches pre patch, things have changed now, stop being such a hater. I agree that MC's micro was inded very good but I also said that I don't care all that much about micro.
Did you not read my whole post? He's created a lot of cool builds like 6 gate back in the day, first person to open VRs to snipe supply depots at the wall. I could go on about all the cool things that you won't even notice cause your in bronze league but I won't waste my time.
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curious vs sage would be the sickest bo7
I really hope that happens
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all right side winner today
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On September 26 2011 20:48 Probe1 wrote:
When jumping to defend MC consider the tense you are writing in. Sure I completely agree with every compliment there is about MC back in the day.
Well people are being hypocritical, they're saying Sage is the next Protoss hero and results don't matter, when everyone is calling MC shit just because he hasn't been posting results lately, pretty sure Sage hasn't even qualified for the GSL yet? Didn't he get a free spot in Code A or something? Not saying he doesn't deserve, he's easily one of the best Protoss in the world.
MC still holds one of the highest win/loss ratio for a Protoss on the KR ladder, I'm sure we'll be seeing him again soon enough
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On September 26 2011 20:52 Benzzro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 20:47 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:43 Benzzro wrote:On September 26 2011 20:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:33 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:30 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:23 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:21 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:18 kratos-23 wrote:On September 26 2011 20:16 Wildsound wrote:
Sage is actually off the hook. My mate laughed at me over a month ago when I said this guy was better than MC. Who's laughing now. mc won like 10 tournamens, sage none. so i guess mc is indeed better. Not once has MC impressed me like sage did in at least 50% of his games, and trust me, I watched a lot more of MC. That has to be the dumbest statement I've seen so far in this LR thread. I'm sorry, but that's just they way it is for me, sage may not be the best player macro or micro wise but he is definetely the player with the most brilliant tactical play and that's what matters for me. You say you love tactical play, and you didn't appreciate MC when he was at his best? He had alot of beautiful tactical plays that no other protoss could do at that point. I'm not too sure you was watching MC as much as you say. I watched every single GSL game and I mostly remember him spamming forcefields to easy victories, not impressive, even san impressed me way more than MC ever did. You're mentioning games he's cheesed, stop posting nonsense. He was the first Protoss to start using blink first in PvT with a lot of success, now it's standard in KR PvT, he probably had the best VR/Phoenix control vs Zerg. Definately had the best Protoss micro back in the day and it's still probably top 3. He's still a great player, and he'll be back in code S, he played all his matches pre patch, things have changed now, stop being such a hater. I agree that MC's micro was inded very good but I also said that I don't care all that much about micro. Did you not read my whole post? He's created a lot of cool builds like 6 gate back in the day, first person to open VRs to snipe supply depots at the wall. I could go on about all the cool things that you won't even notice cause your in bronze league but I won't waste my time.
I'm masters and his ffe into void ray is a relatively easy to come up and intuitive build vs T, blink first in PvT has been used since the early beta and you should gtfo with your made up stories.
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On September 26 2011 20:52 Benzzro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2011 20:47 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:43 Benzzro wrote:On September 26 2011 20:38 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:33 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:30 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:23 cENTRYZ wrote:On September 26 2011 20:21 TYJ.Aoy wrote:On September 26 2011 20:18 kratos-23 wrote:On September 26 2011 20:16 Wildsound wrote:
Sage is actually off the hook. My mate laughed at me over a month ago when I said this guy was better than MC. Who's laughing now. mc won like 10 tournamens, sage none. so i guess mc is indeed better. Not once has MC impressed me like sage did in at least 50% of his games, and trust me, I watched a lot more of MC. That has to be the dumbest statement I've seen so far in this LR thread. I'm sorry, but that's just they way it is for me, sage may not be the best player macro or micro wise but he is definetely the player with the most brilliant tactical play and that's what matters for me. You say you love tactical play, and you didn't appreciate MC when he was at his best? He had alot of beautiful tactical plays that no other protoss could do at that point. I'm not too sure you was watching MC as much as you say. I watched every single GSL game and I mostly remember him spamming forcefields to easy victories, not impressive, even san impressed me way more than MC ever did. You're mentioning games he's cheesed, stop posting nonsense. He was the first Protoss to start using blink first in PvT with a lot of success, now it's standard in KR PvT, he probably had the best VR/Phoenix control vs Zerg. Definately had the best Protoss micro back in the day and it's still probably top 3. He's still a great player, and he'll be back in code S, he played all his matches pre patch, things have changed now, stop being such a hater. I agree that MC's micro was inded very good but I also said that I don't care all that much about micro. Did you not read my whole post? He's created a lot of cool builds like 6 gate back in the day, first person to open VRs to snipe supply depots at the wall. I could go on about all the cool things that you won't even notice cause your in bronze league but I won't waste my time.
MC didn't create 6gate!
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As awesome as these games were to watch, I'm still not sure whether they represent a consistent way of playing the matchup, or just another 2 base gimmick that will be figured out shortly. For example the mass DT drop would've been instantly shot down by lucky having units in place to defend it.
What he did in g2 looks a lot more promising. In principle it's similar to the Zealot/Phoenix harass we saw from nshs protosses a few weeks ago, except it uses DTs instead of Stargate units. That's a good idea, because while Zerg has both Queens and Spores for early anti-air, they only have Spores for detection before Lair, which 3 hatch builds get very late. The main problem I see is if the Zerg actually makes some Roaches early and plays very safe, the Protoss followup is kind of awkward.
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I totally impressed by sage! I gonna steal tat build
Sage a more promising toss!
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