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fanvadmeck
Sweden112 Posts
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Benzzro
Australia167 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:58 TYJ.Aoy wrote: I'm masters and his ffe into void ray is a relatively easy to come up and intuitive build vs T, blink first in PvT has been used since the early beta and you should gtfo with your made up stories. Yeah easy to come up with now that it already exists, say that back in the day, took like 3-4 months for someone to actually start doing it (MC). Show me a game that Protoss went blink first against Terran back in beta that wasn't some kind of rush. You must be a pretty bad Masters player to not see some of the brilliance in MC's play He created the 6 gate against Terran, well at least he was the first to do it in a televised match. | ||
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Oktyabr
Singapore2234 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:57 Benzzro wrote: Well people are being hypocritical, they're saying Sage is the next Protoss hero and results don't matter, when everyone is calling MC shit just because he hasn't been posting results lately, pretty sure Sage hasn't even qualified for the GSL yet? Didn't he get a free spot in Code A or something? Not saying he doesn't deserve, he's easily one of the best Protoss in the world. MC still holds one of the highest win/loss ratio for a Protoss on the KR ladder, I'm sure we'll be seeing him again soon enough Sage got in on his own merit. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Preliminaries MC is a more accomplished player, no doubt. As to whether he's a better player now, it's debatable. That's obviously due to his current form. | ||
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Benzzro
Australia167 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:03 Oktyabr wrote: Sage got in on his own merit. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_Global_StarCraft_II_League_October/Preliminaries MC is a more accomplished player, no doubt. As to whether he's a better player now, it's debatable. That's obviously due to his current form. Heh..Serves me right for believing what Artosis said on SOTG :/. Hey I'm not even saying MC is better then Sage right now, I'm just saying people are being stupid saying what he's done is easy etc.. | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:57 Benzzro wrote: Well people are being hypocritical, they're saying Sage is the next Protoss hero and results don't matter, when everyone is calling MC shit just because he hasn't been posting results lately, pretty sure Sage hasn't even qualified for the GSL yet? Didn't he get a free spot in Code A or something? Not saying he doesn't deserve, he's easily one of the best Protoss in the world. MC still holds one of the highest win/loss ratio for a Protoss on the KR ladder, I'm sure we'll be seeing him again soon enough He didn't get a free spot. He qualified like everyone else. They even broadcasted his qualifier finals vs ST_Ace. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:37 Liquid`Jinro wrote: I want to play protoss now.... This is a very rare feeling for me, usually SC2 protoss disgusts me and causes me to throw things in rage - liked crumpled up paper cups or my headset. Haha Jinro, I got the same feeling. Protoss is the only race I've never played since release. I mean I played like 2 or 3 games vs computer with protoss. But I begin to like the race and want to play it now, and I never had this feeling before. Adding a quote for the win. | ||
Beyonder
Netherlands15103 Posts
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dooraven
Australia2820 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:57 Benzzro wrote: Well people are being hypocritical, they're saying Sage is the next Protoss hero and results don't matter, when everyone is calling MC shit just because he hasn't been posting results lately, pretty sure Sage hasn't even qualified for the GSL yet? Didn't he get a free spot in Code A or something? Not saying he doesn't deserve, he's easily one of the best Protoss in the world. MC still holds one of the highest win/loss ratio for a Protoss on the KR ladder, I'm sure we'll be seeing him again soon enough Sage, qualified straight up for code A, sometimes Artosis doesn't know jack shit about the players he's hyping up. And yeah people are being super hypocritical about MC. Him and oGs-TL have virtually created every Protoss build so far, the amount of stuff he's done for the protoss race is ridiculous. Now that he's on a slump people are forgetting what MC did to protoss and how he basically made protoss seem overpowered for a period of time. Sage and HerO are the future DRGs, Losiras, MMA's and Bombers of protoss. But to disregard MC as a timing attack, all inner is riddiculously stupid. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
For a long time we saw them relying on only blink micro or a ball, but those forcefields are such an important part of protoss gameplay. For instance MC has crappy forcefields now (in fact he doesn't make a lot of sentries anymore for what I remember for his last games) Seeing a perfect arc that takes a whole half of the screen being created instantly is pretty cool. | ||
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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:57 Benzzro wrote: Well people are being hypocritical, they're saying Sage is the next Protoss hero and results don't matter, when everyone is calling MC shit just because he hasn't been posting results lately, pretty sure Sage hasn't even qualified for the GSL yet? Didn't he get a free spot in Code A or something? Not saying he doesn't deserve, he's easily one of the best Protoss in the world. MC still holds one of the highest win/loss ratio for a Protoss on the KR ladder, I'm sure we'll be seeing him again soon enough Why is it that every time someone compliments another Protoss, there's a bunch of people coming out to defend MC as the ultimate Protoss champion? Are we not allowed to be inspired by another player and consider him a greater potential? MC shouldn't be called out just because of results (or lack thereof lately), but because of his approach to the game and playstyle. His recent results are only a consequence of sticking to the same mindset in pvz/t. I've been almost as depressed (if not more) about Protoss gameplay during the "MC era" than these last few months. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:14 MrCon wrote: Haha Jinro, I got the same feeling. Protoss is the only race I've never played since release. I mean I played like 2 or 3 games vs computer with protoss. But I begin to like the race and want to play it now, and I never had this feeling before. Adding a quote for the win. I don't understand when I read these things. How do you watch but not have the desire to play? I'm not good but when I see an effective.. The first time I saw someone burrow banelings on a ramp after running into the main, the minute the cast ended I had to go try it. I was actually turning sc2 on when I decided to check back and read up ^_^. I completely agree with the forcefields comment though. I haven't thought "Hmm I need tunneling claws asap or I'm going to get forcefield ganked" in a long time. | ||
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Benzzro
Australia167 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:23 Talin wrote: Why is it that every time someone compliments another Protoss, there's a bunch of people coming out to defend MC as the ultimate Protoss champion? Are we not allowed to be inspired by another player and consider him a greater potential? MC shouldn't be called out just because of results (or lack thereof lately), but because of his approach to the game and playstyle. His recent results are only a consequence of sticking to the same mindset in pvz/t. I've been almost as depressed (if not more) about Protoss gameplay during the "MC era" than these last few months. Are you serious? Not once did I say he's the best Protoss in the world, some people's reading abilities amaze me. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:27 Probe1 wrote: I don't understand when I read these things. How do you watch but not have the desire to play? I'm not good but when I see an effective.. The first time I saw someone burrow banelings on a ramp after running into the main, the minute the cast ended I had to go try it. I was actually turning sc2 on when I decided to check back and read up ^_^. I completely agree with the forcefields comment though. I haven't thought "Hmm I need tunneling claws asap or I'm going to get forcefield ganked" in a long time. Well, protoss is the only race that I could watch without never wanting to play it. I started to play zerg nearly half time for a long time, but I don't really know why, never wanted to play protoss until very recently. Perhaps P looked less fun to play. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
I thought you had said you had only played a few games. Total. I was very confused. I get my racial mix out with random race 2s and 3s  Sorry for the mixup, getting early. | ||
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me_viet
Australia1350 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:27 Probe1 wrote: I don't understand when I read these things. How do you watch but not have the desire to play? I'm not good but when I see an effective.. The first time I saw someone burrow banelings on a ramp after running into the main, the minute the cast ended I had to go try it. I was actually turning sc2 on when I decided to check back and read up ^_^. I completely agree with the forcefields comment though. I haven't thought "Hmm I need tunneling claws asap or I'm going to get forcefield ganked" in a long time. lol i research tunneling claws alot less than i should | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:23 Talin wrote: Why is it that every time someone compliments another Protoss, there's a bunch of people coming out to defend MC as the ultimate Protoss champion? Are we not allowed to be inspired by another player and consider him a greater potential? MC shouldn't be called out just because of results (or lack thereof lately), but because of his approach to the game and playstyle. His recent results are only a consequence of sticking to the same mindset in pvz/t. I've been almost as depressed (if not more) about Protoss gameplay during the "MC era" than these last few months. Because usually those people also end up shitting on MC, which is laughable | ||
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-y0shi-
Germany994 Posts
On September 26 2011 20:40 HaruRH wrote: No, you got it wrong. He did some sort of build that Zerg usually faces as 6gate pressure, 7 gate all-in etc. Unless scouted, the Zerg would almost most likely not bet on a DT attack as DT attacks are usually built on 1 base. Zerg did get overseers bro. However, his tactics made sure that 1 overseer was never enough. The beauty of the DT attack. Most of the decisions made by Sage in these games were carefully calculated, such as the immediate mass immortal production upon scouting out the roach warren even when the Zerg did not build a single roach yet. He anticipated those attacks coming rather than reacting to those attacks. Not saying I know better, just wondering. Im talking about game 1 especially. Lucky HAD his lair up, the problem was that he had no overseers and relied on spores for detection. Then Sage hit him with mass dts and killed his lair. But what if Lucky wouldve gotten a single overseer instead of that sporoe? Idk, seemed gimicky, mass dts, hope your opponent doesnt have an overseer out and snipe his lair. | ||
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mikedebo
Canada4341 Posts
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Soleron
United Kingdom1324 Posts
On September 26 2011 21:43 -y0shi- wrote: Not saying I know better, just wondering. Im talking about game 1 especially. Lucky HAD his lair up, the problem was that he had no overseers and relied on spores for detection. Then Sage hit him with mass dts and killed his lair. But what if Lucky wouldve gotten a single overseer instead of that sporoe? Idk, seemed gimicky, mass dts, hope your opponent doesnt have an overseer out and snipe his lair. If things like this force Zergs to have an overseer per base every single game, that's a huge metagame win for Protoss. It shows up that Zergs were playing risky before by not getting it, and gaining an advantage they shouldn't have if P plays correctly. | ||
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reapsen
Germany559 Posts
- JYP aka TSLPooh - Oz After switching to FXO, he wanted to change his ID to FXOPoo, but was advised against it by the FXO team. - Zenex Byun aka NEXExcrement wtf?! | ||
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