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As promised, here are the details of the first Open Tournament!
What's at stake?
The Top 8 from this tournament will advance to a 32 player tournament, called the "Semi-Open". The winner of this tournament will advance to the NASL Grand Finals, earning a minimum of $2,000 and have a shot at getting part of the $100,000 prize. The top 4 from that tournament will also qualify for NASL Season 3.
Dates & Times
- October 1st: Ro256 – Ro16 starting at 1:00pm EDT (19 CET)
- If there is only Ro128, the Ro128 will start at 1:00pm EDT)
- October 2nd: Ro8 – Final starting at 1:00pm EDT (19 CET)
Format
- The format will be a single elimination tournament, all games being Bo3.
- The top 8 players will advance to the “Semi-Open” Tournament
- New maps from The Planetary Workshop will be used
Registration
- The tournament will be held on Binarybeast – all players must register an account on Binarybeast, click on the tournament link, and click to “Join” the tournament.
- All players must read and write that they accept the terms and conditions, accept the tournament rules, and pay a $10 entry fee (we accept paypal payments only) in order to successfully register.
- Players must register with their NORTH AMERICAN battle.net USER NAME and CHARACTER CODE.
Map Pool [all the NA maps should be published by IRONMAN]
All the other rules/regulations can be read and must be agreed to prior to signing up for the tournament! Remember, if you want to qualify for NASL Season 3, you must play in this tournament!
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dont wanna sound negative, but think you should explain a bit more what this / the semi-open tournaments are for/what it has to do with the league... and why the maps 
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Really great idea with TPW maps... finally something new.
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Using the TPW maps is either an inspired move for helping the growth of the SCII scene, or else really really dumb. I'm not sure which yet at this point. Regardless, I'll be tuning in to watch these games.
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Any way we could get links to each of the maps? I know it would take some work, but it's better for the OP to do it than everybody else, any time they want to see it.
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uh so if i don't understand it totally wrong, if you want to qualify for NASL season 3 you gotta study 9 new maps which are not really used anywhere else? That seems really drastic. I am all for new maps especially community made one but surely this is a bit much.
I hope I just understood this wrong.
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Sick move using new maps.
As a spectator, I love it.
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Ok, as well, NASL needs to get these maps on every server ASAP. Some maps aren't on all the severs yet, for example Concrete Dreams is only on EU. And it is only two weeks until the tournament begins.
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what are u doing nasl, are u just trolling the whole starcraft community ? nhf
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On September 19 2011 01:59 Icekommander wrote:
Ok, as well, NASL needs to get these maps on every server ASAP. Some maps aren't on all the severs yet, for example Concrete Dreams is only on EU. And it is only two weeks until the tournament begins.
Thanks for that, I'll pm TPW and see that they get added on all the maps!
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Woah... I'm not sure about having an entirely new map pool for qualifiers that you have to pay to enter. But this is good news for TPW!
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Added links to images of all the maps in the OP!
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We are currently working on it to get all the maps onto US servers, they will all be there shortly.
For example Concrete Dreams is currently being uploaded, we wanted to wait for version 1.2 to be finished.
As we are mainly an EU map team, it is sometimes a bit hard on our only American member to upload every map we think is needed.
A list of TL threads or overview images of the maps:
EDIT: Almost redundant now that images has been posted, but if you have concerns or feedback about a particular map, please post in the map thread and we will try to address it.
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Ramps galore, will be fun to see how that will be used in the games. 1.4 might change maps with a lot of ramps quite a lot (I have no clue)?
The maps seem fine but the fact that no one will have played them a lot will probably make 99% of the games super standard...
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All maps have now been uploaded to US servers.
We hope that you will enjoy the maps!
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On September 19 2011 02:29 NullCurrent wrote:
All maps have now been uploaded to US servers.
We hope that you will enjoy the maps!
<3 !!
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Great to see some fresh maps! But I must ask, I found one of them really strange. TPW Lunar Station seem to have an extremely hard nat to defend. Its like both the 2nd and the 3d base are equally hard to take?
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I feel like some of the maps might have issues with some positions being kinda close and easily seigeable naturals. However, its not like the blizzard maps are perfect by any means, and as a spectator I really do look forward to seeing games on these new maps.
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I would say it is very risky to use a completely foreign (to most) map pool but these maps looks very developed and not to mention beautifully made. I hope to see more of this in the future
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Remember, for anyone aspiring to be in the NASL -- this is the way to do it... make sure you register!
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Added this...
What's at stake?
The Top 8 from this tournament will advance to a 32 player tournament, called the "Semi-Open". The winner of this tournament will advance to the NASL Grand Finals, earning a minimum of $2,000 and have a shot at getting part of the $100,000 prize. The top 4 from that tournament will also qualify for NASL Season 3.
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Personally, while I do like a lot of the TPW maps, I think quite a few of them just aren't up to tournament quality. Using the TPW maps is great, I'm just not sure that using all of them and only them is the best idea.
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This is a bit scary I will admit. While i'm excited for our team's chance to present community maps to the pro scene, this open tournament will really set the foundation of how community maps are going to be used from then on, and if possible even more maps added to the pro scene. I really hope all goes well, and good luck to the players!
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On September 19 2011 02:40 neobowman wrote:
Personally, while I do like a lot of the TPW maps, I think quite a few of them just aren't up to tournament quality. Using the TPW maps is great, I'm just not sure that using all of them and only them is the best idea.
This is why only 3-4 of the best ones will be chosen at the end of the open tournament.
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Oh I love those mineral walls in Damage Inc. Such a gorgeous map too.
I can't wait to see these in action. You guys rock.
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you guys wanna make this really hard for people eh? The massive bracket and then these 9 maps that no on plays on O_o Seems like its going to be really damn hard for anyone to get through and whoever makes it is going to need a hell of a lot of luck.
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So there are only 4 slots for qualification to S3 and no other tournament? In a tournament of 40 players, a turnover 4 seems overly protective.
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On September 19 2011 02:47 fire_brand wrote:
you guys wanna make this really hard for people eh? The massive bracket and then these 9 maps that no on plays on O_o Seems like its going to be really damn hard for anyone to get through and whoever makes it is going to need a hell of a lot of luck.
I have to jump in on this and say a couple things:
1) It's just one tournament. Time passes, and you move on to other tournaments. Even if it isn't as potential as it may currently sound, it was given the best shot possible, and that's what counts.
2) The maps are all on the NA server, so people can check them out.
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just a little more information on the concerns mentioned.
close spawns are disabled on some of the 4 player maps, like emerald jungle and overgrown.
damage inc actually has forced cross positions, sort of making it 2 2player maps combined in 1 map.
on the natural on lunar station you can build a wall from the cc to the wall with 1 depot and a bunker, kind of similar to walls from ramps. you could also build a wall at the main choke with 3 buildings, but that would leave the ramp down to the third base open.
there are no rush distances shorter than those on xnc, and no maps as large as tal darim. overall they are mostly very standard and the players should have an easy time adopting to these maps.
hope that helps 
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On September 19 2011 02:50 Soleron wrote:
So there are only 4 slots for qualification to S3 and no other tournament? In a tournament of 40 players, a turnover 4 seems overly protective.
No... there will be the S3 Qualifier which will be held later in December or early January. There will be 12 new players next season.
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I personally LOVE the idea of using all new maps. seriously, this may end up in having a better map pool in other future tournaments.
TPW are most likely better than most blizzard maps.
Great and yet bold move, xeris! And I normally don't support NASL ideas
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I just want to confirm with everybody that the officially published TPW maps on NA will have the following format:
TPW Mapname
Author: IronMan (I'm the NA member on the team)
If the name is correct, but the author is not IronMan, it is not from TPW.
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On September 19 2011 02:39 Xeris wrote:
Added this...
What's at stake?
The Top 8 from this tournament will advance to a 32 player tournament, called the "Semi-Open". The winner of this tournament will advance to the NASL Grand Finals, earning a minimum of $2,000 and have a shot at getting part of the $100,000 prize. The top 4 from that tournament will also qualify for NASL Season 3.
Who else plays in the Semi-Open? Is it players from NASL who didn't do well enough to qualify for the grand finals? Or is it other invites?
Sorry if you've already answered this somewhere, I couldn't find it.
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On September 19 2011 03:37 ranjutan wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 02:39 Xeris wrote:
Added this...
What's at stake?
The Top 8 from this tournament will advance to a 32 player tournament, called the "Semi-Open". The winner of this tournament will advance to the NASL Grand Finals, earning a minimum of $2,000 and have a shot at getting part of the $100,000 prize. The top 4 from that tournament will also qualify for NASL Season 3. Who else plays in the Semi-Open? Is it players from NASL who didn't do well enough to qualify for the grand finals? Or is it other invites? Sorry if you've already answered this somewhere, I couldn't find it.
16 invited players
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As a spectator I highly doubt I will watch any games on these new maps which I will likely never play on, sorry  . If there were a few mixed into a regular map pool then I would watch them as they would be part of a series, but as is I can't see myself paying much attention. Just giving my perspective, sorry if my post comes across as trolling.
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On September 19 2011 02:47 fire_brand wrote:
you guys wanna make this really hard for people eh? The massive bracket and then these 9 maps that no on plays on O_o Seems like its going to be really damn hard for anyone to get through and whoever makes it is going to need a hell of a lot of luck.
If you dont know the map, you adv dont know the map, every one have the same amount of time to play and pratice.
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On September 19 2011 03:49 ZAiNs wrote:As a spectator I highly doubt I will watch any games on these new maps which I will likely never play on, sorry . If there were a few mixed into a regular map pool then I would watch them as they would be part of a series, but as is I can't see myself paying much attention. Just giving my perspective, sorry if my post comes across as trolling.
I know what you mean. That's the reason I don't watch TvZ, it's takes so long and i wont play this match-up, but from the "no-player spectator" point of view, I think is better to watch good maps that i dont play, then bad maps that i play
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On September 19 2011 03:49 ZAiNs wrote:As a spectator I highly doubt I will watch any games on these new maps which I will likely never play on, sorry . If there were a few mixed into a regular map pool then I would watch them as they would be part of a series, but as is I can't see myself paying much attention. Just giving my perspective, sorry if my post comes across as trolling.
No problem!
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I wonder if this is the start of a rivalry between TPW and ESV fighting for spots in all the big and small tournament's map pools. Should be interesting but it's good to see you use custom maps from anyone!
Want to start it off by saying why you like TPW maps more than ESV ones Xeris 
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TPW contacted me about it and we worked something out. I think the iCCUP/ESV team contacted me several months ago but there wasn't any followup, TPW wanted it more ? We're just happy to be including some custom maps :D!
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Isn't it unfair to the players to base their qualification into a very important tournament on maps that nobody has really played before? What if there is some exploit discovered a day before the event that allows one race to win almost every match on that map? Doesn't that remove the legitimacy of the entire tournament?
I would love some sexy new maps, but wouldn't implementing one or two maps at a time as the first map in a match be a better way to get them played? I just don't understand the thought process behind making every map in the pool a map nobody has played on before.
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On September 19 2011 09:15 SiguR wrote:
Isn't it unfair to the players to base their qualification into a very important tournament on maps that nobody has really played before? What if there is some exploit discovered a day before the event that allows one race to win almost every match on that map? Doesn't that remove the legitimacy of the entire tournament?
I would love some sexy new maps, but wouldn't implementing one or two maps at a time as the first map in a match be a better way to get them played?
I believe all the TPW maps have gone through the MOTM system, which should work out any easily discovered "exploits". I'm not sure what could be discovered that breaks a map completely in favour of one race that isn't easily discovered. The likelihood of finding something game breaking a couple days before the tournament is probably very slim, and the admins should be able to just remove it from the map pool if it does happens.
Beyond that, it leaves all the players on the same playing field, with two weeks to learn a bunch of new maps. I guess in two weeks we will see if that was a good idea, or a bad one.
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Very excited to see this all new map pool. Will be watching this for sure
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Is there a chance the maps can be uploaded to SEA, or do we needa jump back and forth between servers to practice?
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NASL having the balls to use all new maps for its tournament. Very nice to see. Hopefully this is the start of something great for the foreign map making community.
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@xeris. So 16 invited players, 8 from this tourney...8 from the next I assume? for the tourney for the final seed for the LAN event?
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Finally new maps! Hopefully this is an experiment to see which of the maps are the best so that maybe next season we see at TPW map in the main map pool.
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On September 19 2011 09:23 Icekommander wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:15 SiguR wrote:
Isn't it unfair to the players to base their qualification into a very important tournament on maps that nobody has really played before? What if there is some exploit discovered a day before the event that allows one race to win almost every match on that map? Doesn't that remove the legitimacy of the entire tournament?
I would love some sexy new maps, but wouldn't implementing one or two maps at a time as the first map in a match be a better way to get them played? I believe all the TPW maps have gone through the MOTM system, which should work out any easily discovered "exploits". I'm not sure what could be discovered that breaks a map completely in favour of one race that isn't easily discovered. The likelihood of finding something game breaking a couple days before the tournament is probably very slim, and the admins should be able to just remove it from the map pool if it does happens. Beyond that, it leaves all the players on the same playing field, with two weeks to learn a bunch of new maps. I guess in two weeks we will see if that was a good idea, or a bad one.
If you DO find something you think is game-breaking, please contact us too and not just NASL. Then we might have a chance at correcting it before the tournament.
Our email: info at theplanetaryworkshop com
On September 19 2011 09:44 Benjilol wrote:
Is there a chance the maps can be uploaded to SEA, or do we needa jump back and forth between servers to practice?
Unfortunately we cannot upload them on SEA at this time, because we do not have a SEA account. That will come in time, and I hope we will be able to host maps on all regions in the future.
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On September 19 2011 09:12 Xeris wrote:
TPW contacted me about it and we worked something out. I think the iCCUP/ESV team contacted me several months ago but there wasn't any followup, TPW wanted it more ? We're just happy to be including some custom maps :D!
Uh what? I followed up...........
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On September 19 2011 15:10 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 09:12 Xeris wrote:
TPW contacted me about it and we worked something out. I think the iCCUP/ESV team contacted me several months ago but there wasn't any followup, TPW wanted it more ? We're just happy to be including some custom maps :D! Uh what? I followed up...........
Dunno, the last time I talked with an iccup mapper was in season 1
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On September 19 2011 12:05 Shaetan wrote:
@xeris. So 16 invited players, 8 from this tourney...8 from the next I assume? for the tourney for the final seed for the LAN event?
This one has 8 players qualify, next one which will be the following weekend will also have 8 players qualify.
32 players final tournament... 1st advance to NASL Grand Finals, Top 4 advance to NASL Season 3
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On September 19 2011 15:21 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:10 Diamond wrote:On September 19 2011 09:12 Xeris wrote:
TPW contacted me about it and we worked something out. I think the iCCUP/ESV team contacted me several months ago but there wasn't any followup, TPW wanted it more ? We're just happy to be including some custom maps :D! Uh what? I followed up........... Dunno, the last time I talked with an iccup mapper was in season 1
I personally sent the information about our most recent maps and stuff to the owner of NASL on August 4th, but ok.
Still glad for TPW, good for them !
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On September 19 2011 15:25 Diamond wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 15:21 Xeris wrote:On September 19 2011 15:10 Diamond wrote:On September 19 2011 09:12 Xeris wrote:
TPW contacted me about it and we worked something out. I think the iCCUP/ESV team contacted me several months ago but there wasn't any followup, TPW wanted it more ? We're just happy to be including some custom maps :D! Uh what? I followed up........... Dunno, the last time I talked with an iccup mapper was in season 1 I personally sent the information about our most recent maps and stuff to the owner of NASL on August 4th, but ok. Still glad for TPW, good for them !
I'm not the owner though, he never communicated that to me T_T ! =[
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On September 19 2011 03:54 NasKe_ wrote:I know what you mean. That's the reason I don't watch TvZ, it's takes so long and i wont play this match-up, but from the "no-player spectator" point of view, I think is better to watch good maps that i dont play, then bad maps that i play
What?! I play Protoss, and TvZ is the best and most exciting matchup in the game. I implore you to try and watch it again, it's soooo fun to watch!
Anyway. While I think that a tournament of entirely new maps is quite extreme and could possibly go wrong, I think the idea is really good. It's certainly much better than sitting on the same old map pool for months on end. Hopefully these maps are all good, and will bring some great games.
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So right now only 1 player registered, which means if you sign up you'll automatically qualify for the semi open :p
EZ
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TPW Ohana was slightly updated !
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xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament
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On September 19 2011 02:21 Barrin wrote:*fails miserably at containing excitement* I AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE CHOOSING TO USE (THESE) COMMUNITY-MADE MAPS!!! I am absolutely positive that as a whole this was a wise move. While not flawless, these are some of the best maps the foreigner community has come up with in the past few months. I'm actually not a fan of one of them in particular (don't wanna name a name tho ^^):X but for the most part I am sure that at least a few of these maps will become highly regarded in the not-so-distant future.
Barrin got it right. Playing the same old maps ~~ boring and repetitive. If the NASL is putting part of its reputation on the balance of these maps then potential competitors should stop posting and start practicing on them.
I like this choice, I like these maps and I will watch the NASL open bracket with more excitement than the NASL!
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On September 20 2011 08:55 Probe1 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 19 2011 02:21 Barrin wrote:*fails miserably at containing excitement* I AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE CHOOSING TO USE (THESE) COMMUNITY-MADE MAPS!!! I am absolutely positive that as a whole this was a wise move. While not flawless, these are some of the best maps the foreigner community has come up with in the past few months. I'm actually not a fan of one of them in particular (don't wanna name a name tho ^^):X but for the most part I am sure that at least a few of these maps will become highly regarded in the not-so-distant future. Barrin got it right. Playing the same old maps ~~ boring and repetitive. If the NASL is putting part of its reputation on the balance of these maps then potential competitors should stop posting and start practicing on them. I like this choice, I like these maps and I will watch the NASL open bracket with more excitement than the NASL!
ok congrats on having an opinion now are you a competitor ? are you putting your money and time on the line ?
thank you
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On September 20 2011 08:39 desrow wrote:
xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament
Now they are in the NASL. Eventually someone needed to make the first step to include "good" maps (these are awesome) into the tournament scene. It seems like NASL was the only tournament who was audacious enough to include these new maps. (I know GSL has their custom maps as well, but those aren't as much of community maps IMO) You're a great player desrow, but I feel its not your place to criticize such a giant step forward for the SCII community, just because you don't feel like taking 3 or 4 hours to learn a few new maps.
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On September 20 2011 09:02 wattabeast wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 08:39 desrow wrote:
xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament Now they are in the NASL. Eventually someone needed to make the first step to include "good" maps (these are awesome) into the tournament scene. It seems like NASL was the only tournament who was audacious enough to include these new maps. (I know GSL has their custom maps as well, but those aren't as much of community maps IMO) You're a great player desrow, but I feel its not your place to criticize such a giant step forward for the SCII community, just because you don't feel like taking 3 or 4 hours to learn a few new maps.
It's my place to criticize tournament settings who involve tournament PLAYERS I'm sure a few notable players will whine and complain once they hear about this
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On September 20 2011 09:04 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 09:02 wattabeast wrote:On September 20 2011 08:39 desrow wrote:
xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament Now they are in the NASL. Eventually someone needed to make the first step to include "good" maps (these are awesome) into the tournament scene. It seems like NASL was the only tournament who was audacious enough to include these new maps. (I know GSL has their custom maps as well, but those aren't as much of community maps IMO) You're a great player desrow, but I feel its not your place to criticize such a giant step forward for the SCII community, just because you don't feel like taking 3 or 4 hours to learn a few new maps. It's my place to criticize tournament settings who involve tournament PLAYERS I'm sure a few notable players will whine and complain once they hear about this
So, let me try to comprend what you are saying. TLDR=2 wrongs=1 right? Is this what you're trying to say? please clarify
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He is expressing his own opinion. It is his right. Why argue over it?
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On September 20 2011 08:39 desrow wrote:
xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament
That's fine, then a player who wants to be in the NASL will take the time to play a few games on them before the tournament. Some of these maps will be in Season 3 of NASL.
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Those who sign up already know that it's all new maps, and they know the chances of being eliminated simply because they won't have the maps memorized enough. It's a risk really. They have time to explore them and use different terrain features to their advantages wherever possible (I think two weeks is a good amount of time tbh).
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A very short summary of the maps and what existing maps they resemble:
TPW Concrete Dreams:
Smaller and tighter version of Terminus SE, without the "free" third.
TPW Lunar Station:
Xel'naga Caverns inspired map, with the center reminiscent of Jungle Basin.
TPW Ohana:
Beach themed map with two alternatives for a fourth. The two highground-expansions in the middle will be key in the lategame.
TPW Emerald Jungle:
Top versus bottom spawns with several alternatives for a third. Reminds a bit of Abyssal Caverns.
TPW Overgrown:
Very similar to Shakuras Plateau, but with a few key differences: several large paths through the middle, large ramps to the natural (no 3 rax wall-off) and no half-island expansions.
TPW Damage Inc.:
Forced cross spawns. So it is 2 2-spawn maps in one. The mains are very different between pairs, one with a flat choke to both main and natural while the other has a more normal design.
TPW Odyssey:
A very standard map with an easy to hold natural and a simple expansion pattern curving along the side of the map. It has already been used sucessfully in ESL Go4SC2 Cup.
TPW Artifice:
Your standard 4-spawn rotational map, worked well in Map of the Month Tournament.
TPW One Must Fall:
A port of the BW map Carthage.
Hope this helps a bit for you who are unsure.
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Lunar Station is actually inspired by Tiamat from BW until lefix changes the 4th of my initial concept n stuff ^^
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On September 20 2011 10:46 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 08:39 desrow wrote:
xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament That's fine, then a player who wants to be in the NASL will take the time to play a few games on them before the tournament. Some of these maps will be in Season 3 of NASL.
If you aren't even sure which you will be.using why make them learn them. Test the maps before the tourney not use the tourney to beta test
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im fucking disgusted ur going to have a tourney that requires a buy in on maps that are absurdly imbalanced.
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On September 21 2011 04:21 VPCursed wrote:
im fucking disgusted ur going to have a tourney that requires a buy in on maps that are absurdly imbalanced.
I second that! I would also prefer Backwater Gulch, Typhon Peaks and Slag Pits! Maybe add Searing Crater or something.
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On September 21 2011 03:53 Boardin wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 10:46 Xeris wrote:On September 20 2011 08:39 desrow wrote:
xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament That's fine, then a player who wants to be in the NASL will take the time to play a few games on them before the tournament. Some of these maps will be in Season 3 of NASL. If you aren't even sure which you will be.using why make them learn them. Test the maps before the tourney not use the tourney to beta test
This tournament is partially to serve as a more official testing ground for these maps. But I'd like to also point out that several of them have won the "map of the month" award and are quite solid.
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On September 21 2011 04:21 VPCursed wrote:
im fucking disgusted ur going to have a tourney that requires a buy in on maps that are absurdly imbalanced.
You're going to just slander a map like that without providing any evidence that they're actually imbalanced?
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I think the maps are fine but the pool is so big, and with all of them being so unfamiliar it's a lot to ask of the players. Maybe cut the pool in half or something
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On September 21 2011 04:33 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 03:53 Boardin wrote:On September 20 2011 10:46 Xeris wrote:On September 20 2011 08:39 desrow wrote:
xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament That's fine, then a player who wants to be in the NASL will take the time to play a few games on them before the tournament. Some of these maps will be in Season 3 of NASL. If you aren't even sure which you will be.using why make them learn them. Test the maps before the tourney not use the tourney to beta test This tournament is partially to serve as a more official testing ground for these maps. But I'd like to also point out that several of them have won the "map of the month" award and are quite solid.
this is not a good enough excuse. there's an incentive's for players in the season to play/practice on those. for us in the qualifier its plain out non sense
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I think the discussion is moot because as of now everyone who signed up is automatically in the next round anyways :D
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On September 21 2011 04:49 floor exercise wrote:
I think the maps are fine but the pool is so big, and with all of them being so unfamiliar it's a lot to ask of the players. Maybe cut the pool in half or something
adding a 2-3 maps would of been fine, an entire map pool is disgusting
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On September 21 2011 04:51 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 04:33 Xeris wrote:On September 21 2011 03:53 Boardin wrote:On September 20 2011 10:46 Xeris wrote:On September 20 2011 08:39 desrow wrote:
xeris ive started to like you recently so this is nothing personal but this is fucking disgusting there's no way im playing a qualifier with 0 ladder maps/gsl map this is fucking nonsense
i dont see any other player learning 9 new maps. not when they are not in any other tournament That's fine, then a player who wants to be in the NASL will take the time to play a few games on them before the tournament. Some of these maps will be in Season 3 of NASL. If you aren't even sure which you will be.using why make them learn them. Test the maps before the tourney not use the tourney to beta test This tournament is partially to serve as a more official testing ground for these maps. But I'd like to also point out that several of them have won the "map of the month" award and are quite solid. this is not a good enough excuse. there's an incentive's for players in the season to play/practice on those. for us in the qualifier its plain out non sense
Not really? In fact you'll have an advantage over current NASL players if you qualify since you'll have already practiced on them
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Fuck yes! Finally a bigger organisation decides to include the TPW maps, boostes my personal simpathy for NASL a lot !
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On September 20 2011 08:59 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 08:55 Probe1 wrote:On September 19 2011 02:21 Barrin wrote:*fails miserably at containing excitement* I AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE CHOOSING TO USE (THESE) COMMUNITY-MADE MAPS!!! I am absolutely positive that as a whole this was a wise move. While not flawless, these are some of the best maps the foreigner community has come up with in the past few months. I'm actually not a fan of one of them in particular (don't wanna name a name tho ^^):X but for the most part I am sure that at least a few of these maps will become highly regarded in the not-so-distant future. Barrin got it right. Playing the same old maps ~~ boring and repetitive. If the NASL is putting part of its reputation on the balance of these maps then potential competitors should stop posting and start practicing on them. I like this choice, I like these maps and I will watch the NASL open bracket with more excitement than the NASL! ok congrats on having an opinion now are you a competitor ? are you putting your money and time on the line ? thank you
Are you putting your money or time on the line for this tournament?
Clearly not, so what's the problem?
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On September 21 2011 04:59 Enhancer_ wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 08:59 desrow wrote:On September 20 2011 08:55 Probe1 wrote:On September 19 2011 02:21 Barrin wrote:*fails miserably at containing excitement* I AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE CHOOSING TO USE (THESE) COMMUNITY-MADE MAPS!!! I am absolutely positive that as a whole this was a wise move. While not flawless, these are some of the best maps the foreigner community has come up with in the past few months. I'm actually not a fan of one of them in particular (don't wanna name a name tho ^^):X but for the most part I am sure that at least a few of these maps will become highly regarded in the not-so-distant future. Barrin got it right. Playing the same old maps ~~ boring and repetitive. If the NASL is putting part of its reputation on the balance of these maps then potential competitors should stop posting and start practicing on them. I like this choice, I like these maps and I will watch the NASL open bracket with more excitement than the NASL! ok congrats on having an opinion now are you a competitor ? are you putting your money and time on the line ? thank you Are you putting your money or time on the line for this tournament? Clearly not, so what's the problem?
I clearly would sign up to both of those if xeris wasn't crazy with the new maps and yea i would put my time and money on the line.
I know it's cool be a hipster and want new maps but if you add a fuck ton of new maps it's really hard for the competitors, if u add a few maps then it's less agressive/ alot better
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On September 21 2011 05:11 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 04:59 Enhancer_ wrote:On September 20 2011 08:59 desrow wrote:On September 20 2011 08:55 Probe1 wrote:On September 19 2011 02:21 Barrin wrote:*fails miserably at containing excitement* I AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE CHOOSING TO USE (THESE) COMMUNITY-MADE MAPS!!! I am absolutely positive that as a whole this was a wise move. While not flawless, these are some of the best maps the foreigner community has come up with in the past few months. I'm actually not a fan of one of them in particular (don't wanna name a name tho ^^):X but for the most part I am sure that at least a few of these maps will become highly regarded in the not-so-distant future. Barrin got it right. Playing the same old maps ~~ boring and repetitive. If the NASL is putting part of its reputation on the balance of these maps then potential competitors should stop posting and start practicing on them. I like this choice, I like these maps and I will watch the NASL open bracket with more excitement than the NASL! ok congrats on having an opinion now are you a competitor ? are you putting your money and time on the line ? thank you Are you putting your money or time on the line for this tournament? Clearly not, so what's the problem? I clearly would sign up to both of those if xeris wasn't crazy with the new maps and yea i would put my time and money on the line. I know it's cool be a hipster and want new maps but if you add a fuck ton of new maps it's really hard for the competitors, if u add a few maps then it's less agressive/ alot better
You'll never know until you give them a chance.
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On September 21 2011 05:11 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 04:59 Enhancer_ wrote:On September 20 2011 08:59 desrow wrote:On September 20 2011 08:55 Probe1 wrote:On September 19 2011 02:21 Barrin wrote:*fails miserably at containing excitement* I AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE CHOOSING TO USE (THESE) COMMUNITY-MADE MAPS!!! I am absolutely positive that as a whole this was a wise move. While not flawless, these are some of the best maps the foreigner community has come up with in the past few months. I'm actually not a fan of one of them in particular (don't wanna name a name tho ^^):X but for the most part I am sure that at least a few of these maps will become highly regarded in the not-so-distant future. Barrin got it right. Playing the same old maps ~~ boring and repetitive. If the NASL is putting part of its reputation on the balance of these maps then potential competitors should stop posting and start practicing on them. I like this choice, I like these maps and I will watch the NASL open bracket with more excitement than the NASL! ok congrats on having an opinion now are you a competitor ? are you putting your money and time on the line ? thank you Are you putting your money or time on the line for this tournament? Clearly not, so what's the problem? I clearly would sign up to both of those if xeris wasn't crazy with the new maps and my time.
Interesting. So you're annoyed that the few tournaments that Xeris facilitates (of the hundreds that exist) don't cater to what you want.
I see it more as a fun tournament that allows those who failed to qualify (or didn't participate) for S2 another chance at making it in while also having great potential in its prizes, especially since you can qualify for S3 through this.
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Desrow is being nasty about it. Voicing an opinion does not have to include bitterness. And while it is excellent to see good players go head to head on maps they've executed thousands of games on, it can be excellent to see them play on maps they have not figured out. It tests an entirely different skill: adaptability.
Are they able to learn the map pool quick enough? Or is their skill set solely based on rote memorization from a million games played on xel'naga caverns? Definitely not a bad thing. Definitely not a need for name-calling or toeing the line between being an asshole and a contrarian.
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There's no point debating with people who are not competitors/play in these qualifiers. I hope other notable players rise and complain about this nonsense.
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There is a point and a very valuable one. You lost normal people with the words crazy, disgusting and saying fuck repeatedly to an individual who is doing this community and esports a favor by hosting well-prized tournaments. I would let real competitors speak up as well if I couldn't avoid being a jerk in a thread.
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Xeris, will all the same TPW maps be used in the "Semi-Open" Tourney?
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On September 21 2011 05:48 Hrrrrm wrote:
Xeris, will all the same TPW maps be used in the "Semi-Open" Tourney?
Some of them definitely will be. Perhaps not all of them.
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Not one desert/badlands/redsand map? Why are mapmakers so averse to anything that isn't blue/green/black? WHY? Starcraft is desert too!
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YES!!! Thank you so very much NASL!
The new Map Pool will boost the Tournement for me
I gonna watch it definetly, NASL improved so much in season 2 overall!
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Just think of the maps as a way to give you a big advantage over the Koreans who probably won't have time to play on the maps very much. I wonder if NASL should drop the 10$ charge so they can get more people willing to give the maps a shot and get more data on them.
It would be so much easier to learn them quickly if blizzard let NASL (and other big tournaments) create a NASL map pool with matchmaking based on skill that you could play on instead of the blizzard map pool. Put a map pool selector under race on the front page and enough people should play on it that you could always find a match.
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On September 22 2011 01:31 coolcor wrote:
Just think of the maps as a way to give you a big advantage over the Koreans who probably won't have time to play on the maps very much. I wonder if NASL should drop the 10$ charge so they can get more people willing to give the maps a shot and get more data on them.
It would be so much easier to learn them quickly if blizzard let NASL (and other big tournaments) create a NASL map pool with matchmaking based on skill that you could play on instead of the blizzard map pool. Put a map pool selector under race on the front page and enough people should play on it that you could always find a match.
The buy in is in place so that only people who are serious about competing will do it. If that means we'll have a 16 player tournament for 8 qualifying spots, I'd rather have that than have 100 people sign up and only 30 actually show.
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On September 19 2011 15:48 Xeris wrote:
So right now only 1 player registered, which means if you sign up you'll automatically qualify for the semi open :p
EZ
I'll get right on that, sir!
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On September 21 2011 23:54 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 05:48 Hrrrrm wrote:
Xeris, will all the same TPW maps be used in the "Semi-Open" Tourney? Some of them definitely will be. Perhaps not all of them.
tell me how this is fair and makes sense jesus christ xeris 9 NEW MAPS ? ? !?
this is ridiculous.
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On September 22 2011 03:32 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 23:54 Xeris wrote:On September 21 2011 05:48 Hrrrrm wrote:
Xeris, will all the same TPW maps be used in the "Semi-Open" Tourney? Some of them definitely will be. Perhaps not all of them. tell me how this is fair and makes sense jesus christ xeris 9 NEW MAPS ? ? !? this is ridiculous.
holy fuck you've spent a week crying about this. this whole time you could be playing on the maps. seriously grow up
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On September 22 2011 03:35 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:32 desrow wrote:On September 21 2011 23:54 Xeris wrote:On September 21 2011 05:48 Hrrrrm wrote:
Xeris, will all the same TPW maps be used in the "Semi-Open" Tourney? Some of them definitely will be. Perhaps not all of them. tell me how this is fair and makes sense jesus christ xeris 9 NEW MAPS ? ? !? this is ridiculous. holy fuck you've spent a week crying about this. this whole time you could be playing on the maps. seriously grow up
no dood... first of all a semi open tournament is retarded then those who get in the semi open tournament don't have to learn 9 new maps cus PERHAPS not all of them will be in the tournament seriously ?
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LOL. I read the title of this thread and thought to myself......"I wonder what Desrow is going to whine about this time? (half joking with myself)"
Xeris, you gotta do what's best for the NASL, there's no need to reply to DesRow's qq in this thread. Just make NASL as good as it can be! (I've found a huge improvement over NASL s.1 so far, congrats!!!)
DesRow, pay the ten bucks and practice hard. You're a good enough player that you have a chance to qualify for this no matter what the circumstances are. Do the talking with your play.
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On September 22 2011 03:38 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 03:35 Xeris wrote:On September 22 2011 03:32 desrow wrote:On September 21 2011 23:54 Xeris wrote:On September 21 2011 05:48 Hrrrrm wrote:
Xeris, will all the same TPW maps be used in the "Semi-Open" Tourney? Some of them definitely will be. Perhaps not all of them. tell me how this is fair and makes sense jesus christ xeris 9 NEW MAPS ? ? !? this is ridiculous. holy fuck you've spent a week crying about this. this whole time you could be playing on the maps. seriously grow up no dood... first of all a semi open tournament is retarded then those who get in the semi open tournament don't have to learn 9 new maps cus PERHAPS not all of them will be in the tournament seriously ?
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New maps, if the players are decent, should make this really interesting to watch. Maps really haven't been explored enough yet in the game.
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I have no previous experience or anything with the maps, but i like the idea and i hope the maps are good & balanced. (What a surprise that desrow is crying here.)
Good luck!
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LOVE the map names, esp damage inc.... plz tell me thats from master of puppets, kick ass song big ups!
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Cool idea to use TPW maps, but nine maps seems like a bit too much to learn for one open tourny. I'm interested to see if there will be any big upsets due to one competitor practicing the maps more than his opponent.
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On September 22 2011 03:55 starbreaker10 wrote:
LOVE the map names, esp damage inc.... plz tell me thats from master of puppets, kick ass song big ups!
yes it is
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The Damage INC Map is pretty cool. I think that's the first time I've ever seen minerals blocking a ramp or something in SC2. Fuck the rocks.
How many minerals are there exactly ? 5 ?
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Why such a strange map pool?
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How does this work towards people that are not from USA. Can you register regardless of your country?
At wich point do you have to travel to a phyisical location?
Does NASL pay for the travel of the winner?
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On September 22 2011 04:09 Zorkmid wrote:
The Damage INC Map is pretty cool. I think that's the first time I've ever seen minerals blocking a ramp or something in SC2. Fuck the rocks.
How many minerals are there exactly ? 5 ?
I just opened that map, it looks pretty cool
the problem is, if this is played with all 4 spawn locations, 2 of the 4 starting locations have much easier 3rds than the others,, i believe. The minerals blocking the ramps on the beaches is all well and good, but the bottom left and top right starting locations have a much easier third, as far as i can tell.
If cross positions are forced, I think this map is really cool
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On September 22 2011 04:42 Hunterai wrote:
Why such a strange map pool?
What do you think? Maybe they want to test the maps out and/or get them popular? Something new for a change.
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I think for 10$ fee, it should be double elim, so people can get their money worth... imo and double elim lets the gets you a stronger field if top 8 adv....
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Maps look really cool, looking forward to seeing some good games on them. Would be nice if the spawning locations were marked though. For me at least, it's not always obvious.
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Can't wait to watch.
Desrow stop crying.
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On September 22 2011 04:45 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:09 Zorkmid wrote:
The Damage INC Map is pretty cool. I think that's the first time I've ever seen minerals blocking a ramp or something in SC2. Fuck the rocks.
How many minerals are there exactly ? 5 ? I just opened that map, it looks pretty cool the problem is, if this is played with all 4 spawn locations, 2 of the 4 starting locations have much easier 3rds than the others,, i believe. The minerals blocking the ramps on the beaches is all well and good, but the bottom left and top right starting locations have a much easier third, as far as i can tell. If cross positions are forced, I think this map is really cool
It's clearly a 2spawn map.
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On September 22 2011 04:45 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:09 Zorkmid wrote:
The Damage INC Map is pretty cool. I think that's the first time I've ever seen minerals blocking a ramp or something in SC2. Fuck the rocks.
How many minerals are there exactly ? 5 ? I just opened that map, it looks pretty cool the problem is, if this is played with all 4 spawn locations, 2 of the 4 starting locations have much easier 3rds than the others,, i believe. The minerals blocking the ramps on the beaches is all well and good, but the bottom left and top right starting locations have a much easier third, as far as i can tell. If cross positions are forced, I think this map is really cool
Cross positions are forced on Damage Inc. So think of it as 2 2-spawn maps in one.
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On September 22 2011 03:32 desrow wrote:
tell me how this is fair and makes sense jesus christ xeris 9 NEW MAPS ? ? !?
this is ridiculous.
All the posts I see from you, you are crying about something. I don't get it. Everyone has exactly the same chances? How are YOU, desrow, disadvantaged to the other players?
I ABSOLUTELY LOVE these new maps! Can't stand the always similar games on Xel'Naga anymore...
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AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWEEEEEEEESOMEEEEE maps
but i feel like zerg is going to dominate hard until protoss and especially terrans get used to all those counterattackpaths and flanking lanes
its gonna be hard for terran to play on those maps since they most likely wont have played on them yet
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From a spectators point of view I can't wait to see games on these new maps. Will have to try them out myself as well!
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I'm already very excited to watch the games. Love that NASL included so many new maps, can't get any better for me as a spectator. All those GSL/Ladder Maps are just so overplayed already.
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I love to see the new maps, although forcing players to play in a buy-in tournament with entirely new maps in order to play in season 3 seems a bit ridiculous... I don't quite get it, the top four players qualify for season three, but this is the only qualifier for it? Only four new players will be brought in for next season?
Not really a big NASL fan, at least the decision making is questionable on some of these things, but I think it's really awesome to see some of these maps getting into some of the bigger name tournaments. I hope other tournaments follow suit.
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I really like the idea of bringing some new maps into the Open Tournament so these maps can be used in the whole next season when NASL have some experience about the maps.
Also the semi open tournament sounds like a good plan and a hugh improvement to the last seasons open tournament. It was way to unfair to players who played the full season.
I think NASL is on the right way : )
And lol at desrow.. save your money and try your best @ IPL or MLG, ezpz
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On September 22 2011 04:55 BluePanther wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 04:45 SMD wrote:On September 22 2011 04:09 Zorkmid wrote:
The Damage INC Map is pretty cool. I think that's the first time I've ever seen minerals blocking a ramp or something in SC2. Fuck the rocks.
How many minerals are there exactly ? 5 ? I just opened that map, it looks pretty cool the problem is, if this is played with all 4 spawn locations, 2 of the 4 starting locations have much easier 3rds than the others,, i believe. The minerals blocking the ramps on the beaches is all well and good, but the bottom left and top right starting locations have a much easier third, as far as i can tell. If cross positions are forced, I think this map is really cool It's clearly a 2spawn map.
Actually its listed as a 4 player map on bnet as i played a game on it. But as someone below said, itll be a forced cross position map.
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The maps actually look really cool. Nice move by NASL.
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Just a week and a hf to the tournament. Make sure to sign up : )
Hope to see some good games!
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these maps are sooooo much better than blizzards map pool
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On September 21 2011 05:11 desrow wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 04:59 Enhancer_ wrote:On September 20 2011 08:59 desrow wrote:On September 20 2011 08:55 Probe1 wrote:On September 19 2011 02:21 Barrin wrote:*fails miserably at containing excitement* I AM VERY HAPPY YOU ARE CHOOSING TO USE (THESE) COMMUNITY-MADE MAPS!!! I am absolutely positive that as a whole this was a wise move. While not flawless, these are some of the best maps the foreigner community has come up with in the past few months. I'm actually not a fan of one of them in particular (don't wanna name a name tho ^^):X but for the most part I am sure that at least a few of these maps will become highly regarded in the not-so-distant future. Barrin got it right. Playing the same old maps ~~ boring and repetitive. If the NASL is putting part of its reputation on the balance of these maps then potential competitors should stop posting and start practicing on them. I like this choice, I like these maps and I will watch the NASL open bracket with more excitement than the NASL! ok congrats on having an opinion now are you a competitor ? are you putting your money and time on the line ? thank you Are you putting your money or time on the line for this tournament? Clearly not, so what's the problem? I clearly would sign up to both of those if xeris wasn't crazy with the new maps and yea i would put my time and money on the line. I know it's cool be a hipster and want new maps but if you add a fuck ton of new maps it's really hard for the competitors, if u add a few maps then it's less agressive/ alot better
Better save your money and troll abit more, when do you ever get through (or even far) in a qualifier?
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lol i know iron man iron man u rock man thanks for tghe map!
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Really like this initiative, gutsy move.
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On September 21 2011 05:36 desrow wrote:
There's no point debating with people who are not competitors/play in these qualifiers. I hope other notable players rise and complain about this nonsense.
Other notable players?
I'm much in favor of some new maps being introduced. A couple of new maps were almost always rotated in for the BW tourneys, its about time SC2 started varying the maps for once. gj xeris!
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Don't get me wrong people I don't mind new maps proof is im playing in the korean ESV weekly and I have to learn 4 ICCUp map but 9 new maps for a single qualifier to qualify for another qualifier is just stretching it too much
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Sigh, people complain that the map pool in tournaments is "stale, boring and old".
Then we get new maps and people still complain...
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I would have to agree and say that having all new maps to play in a tournament is pretty stupid. You don't see GSL putting players to test out whole new map pool in code B matches, do you? With a tournament this size, they should exercise caution in organizing stuff like this, rather than to throw a whole new set of maps just to hype it up for attention. Not to mention you have to pay fees to enter.
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On September 22 2011 07:59 berserkboar wrote:
lol i know iron man iron man u rock man thanks for tghe map!
^^ always great to serve you my friend
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On September 22 2011 08:20 Gamegene wrote:
Sigh, people complain that the map pool in tournaments is "stale, boring and old".
Then we get new maps and people still complain...
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Do you not understand that it's a vastly different beast learning ONE or TWO new maps and still being able to fall back on 5-6 standard maps to learning NINE different new maps and having ZERO standard maps to fall back on.
Again like most, I'm not against custom maps. New blood in the map pool is always good. But making it ALL maps that 99% of the people hadn't played on before seeing their name while registering is bogus. Instead of NASL choosing the best ONE, TWO, or THREE maps they decided to just shotgun blast custom maps.
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On September 22 2011 08:34 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 08:20 Gamegene wrote:
Sigh, people complain that the map pool in tournaments is "stale, boring and old".
Then we get new maps and people still complain...
--; Do you not understand that it's a vastly different beast learning ONE or TWO new maps and still being able to fall back on 5-6 standard maps to learning NINE different new maps and having ZERO standard maps to fall back on. Again like most, I'm not against custom maps. New blood in the map pool is always good. But making it ALL maps that 99% of the people hadn't played on before seeing their name while registering is bogus. Instead of NASL choosing the best ONE, TWO, or THREE maps they decided to just shotgun blast custom maps.
Beggars can't be choosers o:
Besides, if these people get to go to the Grand Finals without having to endure a difficult season, then they should be expected to sweat a little. People gave a lot of shit to Puma since he didn't participate until the last minute winning the open tournament.
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Thank you Xeris, Thank you NASL, Thank you Map-Makers and IronMan this is amazing.... New Maps
Will incite more interests in Competitive SC2 and bring a fresh new feel to the scene i'm loving it.
I'll check out the New Maps right now Thank you guys for adding these brand new maps to the NASL Open Bracket Map Pools.
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Can a bronze league player qualify for NASL season 3? *epic music* We shall see...
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These maps look sick, I really like how NASL actually listens to the community, and decides to put in maps designed by other SC2 players. Maybe Blizzard will take note, and implement more community maps instead of their poorly designed ones.
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On September 22 2011 08:34 Hrrrrm wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 08:20 Gamegene wrote:
Sigh, people complain that the map pool in tournaments is "stale, boring and old".
Then we get new maps and people still complain...
--; Do you not understand that it's a vastly different beast learning ONE or TWO new maps and still being able to fall back on 5-6 standard maps to learning NINE different new maps and having ZERO standard maps to fall back on. Again like most, I'm not against custom maps. New blood in the map pool is always good. But making it ALL maps that 99% of the people hadn't played on before seeing their name while registering is bogus. Instead of NASL choosing the best ONE, TWO, or THREE maps they decided to just shotgun blast custom maps.
Everyone is equally "disadvantaged," and you can't say that the maps are even imbalanced if you haven't played them. TPW is known for making good maps, their maps have won map of the month on multiple occasions.
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While I do agree with some people here that 9 new maps in a qualifying tournament is a bit extreme, I have to emphasize that the spotlight for community maps has to start somewhere! And I believe a good start is through NASL. Also guys, it's not the end of the world. If these maps really cause that many problems for the season 3 map pool, NASL would have no problem removing them, and it's not like pro players are going to quit playing starcraft 2 because they have to take a few days or weeks to learn a new map.
In a year or so, and as the expansions continue to be released, new maps are going to come into the pro scene anyway, and I think pro players are very aware that at any time, new maps may need to be learned. To be perfectly honest I think they will produce a lot of fresh games and attract more viewers.
GL NASL =)
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On September 22 2011 14:50 IronManSC wrote:
While I do agree with some people here that 9 new maps in a qualifying tournament is a bit extreme, I have to emphasize that the spotlight for community maps has to start somewhere! And I believe a good start is through NASL. Also guys, it's not the end of the world. If these maps really cause that many problems for the season 3 map pool, NASL would have no problem removing them, and it's not like pro players are going to quit playing starcraft 2 because they have to take a few days or weeks to learn a new map.
In a year or so, and as the expansions continue to be released, new maps are going to come into the pro scene anyway, and I think pro players are very aware that at any time, new maps may need to be learned. To be perfectly honest I think they will produce a lot of fresh games and attract more viewers.
GL NASL =)
I'm really loving the New maps i tested .. them facing a computer already and am going to try playing some with a few friends soon.. Alot of the maps seem very promising.. Thankyou NASL, Xeris, IronMan, And all Map-Makers who Contributed and/or Created these maps.
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On September 22 2011 15:32 XRaDiiX wrote:Show nested quote +On September 22 2011 14:50 IronManSC wrote:
While I do agree with some people here that 9 new maps in a qualifying tournament is a bit extreme, I have to emphasize that the spotlight for community maps has to start somewhere! And I believe a good start is through NASL. Also guys, it's not the end of the world. If these maps really cause that many problems for the season 3 map pool, NASL would have no problem removing them, and it's not like pro players are going to quit playing starcraft 2 because they have to take a few days or weeks to learn a new map.
In a year or so, and as the expansions continue to be released, new maps are going to come into the pro scene anyway, and I think pro players are very aware that at any time, new maps may need to be learned. To be perfectly honest I think they will produce a lot of fresh games and attract more viewers.
GL NASL =) I'm really loving the New maps i tested .. them facing a computer already and am going to try playing some with a few friends soon.. Alot of the maps seem very promising.. Thankyou NASL, Xeris, IronMan, And all Map-Makers who Contributed and/or Created these maps.
Team TPW would really appreciate any and all feedback from players and testers like yourself. Whether it is positive or negative, we want to hear it privately. This would help us tremendously on knowing what the community wants and what they think of the potential value of each map.
Do you have comments, suggestions, positive or negative feedback on our maps?
Shoot us a PM, or send us a e-mail and let us know! You will find our contact information at www.theplanetaryworkshop.com
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On September 22 2011 08:14 desrow wrote:
Don't get me wrong people I don't mind new maps proof is im playing in the korean ESV weekly and I have to learn 4 ICCUp map but 9 new maps for a single qualifier to qualify for another qualifier is just stretching it too much
Well, sure, but this is by no means unfair, it's just maps that people don't know. You could argue that the results are less exact in determining the better player because the luck factor would be bigger if the players don't know the maps yet. Or something like that.
It will also favour the players who prepare more on these new maps. You could see this as a CHANCE, practice the hell out of them and use it to your ADVANTAGE, hoping that the koreans won't train them that hard.
You could also say that you want to be conservative and not progressive.
You could say that you don't like to play unknown maps.
You could argue that you don't like to study new maps.
It's not "unfair". It's just a different approach.
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Interestingly... 2 Koreans have signed up so far
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But... they aren't allowed?
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On September 23 2011 13:20 Dexington wrote:
But... they aren't allowed?
?? Anyone can play
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I'm curious just how many rounds there will be now.
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There will be 4 rounds at this point :D
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all maps should now also be available on SEA
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The Open Tournament will take place this weekend... don't forget to register if you want a shot at playing in the NASL next season !
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Owowo up to 18 players
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On September 23 2011 14:58 Xeris wrote:?? Anyone can play
I assume NASL is doing checks in regards to making sure qualified players actually play this time?
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we can't do much more than we've done... there's 2 pages to sign + a $10 payment
if people still bail after that then, i'm flabbergasted
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well hopefully some good big name players enter!!!
Looking forward to watching this weekend!!!
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People don't want to compete in NASL or why is this grid still kinda empty Oo
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I see 32 top notch players at launch.
Will the matches be streamed? Casted? It would be epic
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I'm leaving the floor open to people who want to stream this event! If anyone is interested, shoot me a pm here !
1 day left!
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We will be beginning with the Ro64 Saturday, October 1 @ 1:00pm EDT (19 CET)! Signups will close at 12:00pm EDT tomorrow.... time is running out!
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Stephano signed up for this one. °_°
Wish he had shown interest earlier or NASL had contacted him. In that case he could have already been invited to his season.
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On October 01 2011 04:47 Redox wrote:
Stephano signed up for this one. °_°
Wish he had shown interest earlier or NASL had contacted him. In that case he could have already been invited to his season.
I am pretty sure that he didnt know what he would be doing back then, and decced to take one free year from school to become pro player after the nasl player selection
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so CheckPrime will be participating despite forfeiting his spot before the season?
On October 01 2011 02:10 Meltage wrote:
I see 32 top notch players at launch.
Don't know what is top notch for you. Only players who wouldn't get rolled in NASL are:
CheckPrime, Stephano, Attero, TriMaster, maybe Mentalist.
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On September 19 2011 02:32 SayTT wrote:
Great to see some fresh maps! But I must ask, I found one of them really strange. TPW Lunar Station seem to have an extremely hard nat to defend. Its like both the 2nd and the 3d base are equally hard to take?
I think it is a two player map, see that two of the "main bases" are really close to their nats the other two are kinda nat and third are the same o_o. I was thinking the same thing that you were but then I saw that...think it is just two player map on positions similar to XnC but bigger.
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Huh. Interesting.
If you guys stream it, can you have free VODs floating around so random people can see how gameplay on these maps are?
Or if there's no stream, can you guys post up the replays for free?
It'd be nice to see how these TPW maps work out in actual tournament play.
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Will be cheering for my boys QxGShuffle, QxGDarkCell, QxGtheognis and QxGZelniq.
Quantic hwaiting! Good luck all!
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The tournament starts in about 2 hours. I will close registration in about 1 hour
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2 minutes left to register ~~
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Players remember to meet in channel NASL. MSG me if any problems <3
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is there a stream for this ?
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Nope, but if people want to stream some games I don't mind.
I'm probably going to collect some good games and organize a cast later in the week
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where is stephano in the bracket? or did someone just made up that he signed up
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hes invited to the semi open so doesnt need to play
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Is anyone streaming?
If I understand the bracket list correctly, each game in a match is played on the same map, or is it just for the first game in each match?
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How well have these maps been tested? And will we see them in future NASL tournaments? It's nice to see community made maps... but it would be silly for players to play this set of completely new maps for this particular tournament tournament and potentially not even see them in the "Semi-Open".
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Don't worry, the maps will be used again
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On October 02 2011 04:03 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
How well have these maps been tested? And will we see them in future NASL tournaments? It's nice to see community made maps... but it would be silly for players to play this set of completely new maps for this particular tournament tournament and potentially not even see them in the "Semi-Open".
They will be in the semi open~
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We're up to the semi finals now... so far some very interesting games!
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any live stream going on?
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agh! I will definitely want the replay packs for TPW Ohana.
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On October 02 2011 04:14 Xeris wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 04:03 eScaper-tsunami wrote:
How well have these maps been tested? And will we see them in future NASL tournaments? It's nice to see community made maps... but it would be silly for players to play this set of completely new maps for this particular tournament tournament and potentially not even see them in the "Semi-Open". They will be in the semi open~
So I would also assume that all later Open Tournaments for this season of NASL would have those map list too. That's good exposure for these maps .
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KiLLeR wins 2-0 all games
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How will we know what 3-4 maps will be used?
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I will he collecting the replays and organize some casting throughout the week. Then I will release the replay pack!
The second qualifier will be announced tonight.
Lunar Station was by far the most picked map, seemed pretty popular. Damage Inc also produced some good games
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Who are the other koreans? Are they big named people under north american smurf accounts?
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whos this killer dude, never heard of him.
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On October 02 2011 08:16 Mereel wrote:
whos this killer dude, never heard of him.
grand master zerg, rank 60ish I believe.
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Who were WhyILose and FnaticSpS?
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:| stupid internet. was fine when i played lzgamer, than started shitting copious amounts of bricks and made the game unplayable vs mentalist. :|
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On October 02 2011 08:16 Mereel wrote:
whos this killer dude, never heard of him.
Kinda your fault, he played many tournaments. Including IEMs as a representative of South America.
Also played frequently in clan wars for Dignitas.
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On October 02 2011 08:31 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On October 02 2011 08:16 Mereel wrote:
whos this killer dude, never heard of him. Kinda your fault, he played many tournaments. Including IEMs as a representative of South America. Also played frequently in clan wars for Dignitas.
And he will be going to Blizzcon as he got second in the LA invite
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ah yeah....i know d.killer
thought it is a different one
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feels like there was not a lot of top tier pros participating, considering that the prizes are pretty good. where were the swedes? the ukranians? well wahtever, maybe next open
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the maps look really unique i like them, hope they are all balanced so they will make it into the nasl3
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Thanks for watching today~
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Why is check in the qualifiers? I thought the Koreans aren't participating (and Check is part of Prime, am I correct?)
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On October 05 2011 05:15 Xeris wrote:
Thanks for watching today~
Thanks for casting, looking forward to the rest
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On October 02 2011 08:24 Shaetan wrote:
Who were WhyILose and FnaticSpS?
+1 on this. I have no clue why smurfs are allowed in such an important qualifier ... but well, it's managed by Xeris, that explains it I guess.
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I too, would like to know who was WhyILose and FnaticSpS.
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Waiting eagerly for the casting to begin!
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On October 05 2011 22:08 cyclone25 wrote:+1 on this. I have no clue why smurfs are allowed in such an important qualifier ... but well, it's managed by Xeris, that explains it I guess.
It's not a smurf?
SpS == FnaticAugust
WhyIlose == FnaticPogiro
they don't have their own NA accounts.
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On October 06 2011 03:36 Meltage wrote:
Waiting eagerly for the casting to begin!
Xeris said in the NASL Open 2 thread that he won't be able to do it today since his internet is freaking out.
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those map... O.O i don't even care if everyone is bronze i'd watch this just for the maps
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@Kieofire ah, too bad. Thanks!
Edit: Any streaming today then? *hopeing*
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