[M] (2) TPW Overgrown

Meltage

Germany613 Posts

September 07 2011 12:54 GMT

(aka Jungle Shakuras

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Published on EU and NA as TPW Overgrown

This map is supposed to take Shakuras out of all map pools. Rather, when Shakuras needs to replaced, TPW Overgrown has a chance for a spot. Even though the bases are on the same spots as Shakuras, I do believe the map plays differently and better. For example, it's easier to take a third and the middle is not a TvZ zerg trap (beacuse of XNT positions, the openess and the fact that there are several paths around the middle path).

Appearances

APL Theres No Better Team KOTH - Week 6 (Nov 19th)

Map of the Month #9 (played, VOD)

NASL Semi-Open (nov 16, 8:00 pm EST - nov 21)

NASL Open 2 (played)

NASL Open 1 (played)

Stats:
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Spawns: 4
Map size: 158x137 (playable, incl. air)
Resoruces: 14 regular bases
XelNaga Towers: 2 (coverage: ~18%)
Short nat-to-nat: ~134
Cross nat-to-nat: ~143
Main size: ~30 CCs

Facts:

- Korhal setting, but overgrown wth greenery.
- Below 1k doodads used.
- Left vs right spawns (no close spawns).

Features
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Mains
- Comfortable size and shape overall
- Mains are surrounded by pretty much airspace and there is much space behind the mineral lines.

Natural
- Nats are connected by backdoor and low ground area. Allows you to take the other nat as a third.
- 2 3x nat ramps in front, 1 3x ramp to the backdoor.

Middle
- There is a LoSB pocket right outside nat ramps. A small destructible statue inside. The small high ground next to it is pathable.
- XNTs are at similar position to Shakuras Plateau, but CAN'T be reached from the centre path. A player needs to get through the LoSB curtain via a third to take the tower. Each tower spies slightly more than half of the centre path.

Neutral Expos
- A reaper-path is connecting the 12 and 6 expos and two mains. Big units can’t be dropped on the path (only reapers and collossi can cross it).
- The high ground platforms behind the 12 and 6 expos are pathable (dropable).

Analyser Images
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Detail Images (Out of date)
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Thanks to Samro52am for great suggestions on layout details and Johannaz for the composition of overgrown skyscrapers.

iGrok

United States5142 Posts

September 07 2011 12:58 GMT

Question: Why did you choose to make it shifted when it's so close to symmetric anyways?

Meltage

Germany613 Posts

September 07 2011 13:03 GMT

Answer: First, the 6 and 12 mineral lines area becomes more balanced, which is the main reason anyone would do a shift I believe. Second, the slight shift makes the map slightly more fun without being too asymetric. Third, perfect mirror without shift looks ugly

Ragoo

Germany2773 Posts

September 07 2011 13:23 GMT

Very nice improvements compared to Shakuras, I love it. Also visuals seem to be really good, have to look at it ingame later

I loooove the secret reaper pathway, so cool. You really want your map to be reaperscout friendly and I think this is the correct way to go. It's very good already, one small suggestion:
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if you add a small bit of lowground terrain in the circles reapers can also go through the back in the nat, behind the natural mineral line and inside the base

The more you can scout, the better, right?

Meltage

Germany613 Posts

September 07 2011 14:54 GMT

@Ragoo - nice idea. I had space at the red spots originally, but wanted to make the bakcdoor area smaller, so that tanks push wouldn't be too powerful there.

a close-up with tank range:

More space next to the ramp would allow tanks to reach deeper into the nat, I think. Perhaps a silly concern? I coudl extend the nat to cover what is now a gap, though. On the other hand, that would make tanks defending the nat too strong I think.

BTW the main has a reaper-path from the low ground as well:

Thread Update:
OP was updated with detail images

Ragoo

Germany2773 Posts

September 07 2011 19:29 GMT

I'm really only talking about using your 2.0 brush and adding one bit of space here
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, not anything more, shouldn't change anything else^^

and I saw the reaper path from the lowground, that's why I thought this was an excellent map for reaperscouts cause of so many pathes

Aesthetics look really innovative and cool, great job!

Sea_Food

Finland1612 Posts

September 07 2011 19:39 GMT

So its shakuras, but because as we all know zerg is underpowered, you removed all zerg unfriendly features from the map, and added few in that are zerg friendly.

Point is. This map is too zerg favored IMHO.

IronManSC

United States2119 Posts

September 07 2011 21:06 GMT

I think the XWTs should have rocks covering them.

Meltage

Germany613 Posts

September 07 2011 23:55 GMT

@Sea_Food - thats very hard to say. Zerg imba is the hardest to spot I think. Do you have any more concrete argument why the map is zerg-favoured?

@IronManSC - Why?

LunaSaint

United Kingdom620 Posts

September 08 2011 00:09 GMT

#10

I absolutely love the asthetics on this. Some really, really good use of grass.

Meltage

Germany613 Posts

September 08 2011 20:55 GMT

#11

@LunaSaint - glad you like the grass

@Ragoo - you're right ofc. I will add a little space to allow for reapers to sneak into the nat

The OP is updated with logo and a ton of more detail images (10 I think) for you rviewing pleasure

WniO

United States2706 Posts

September 08 2011 21:05 GMT

#12

alot of areas with the concrete look spray painted on and i dont like that. but the theme of the map is a welcome change. i also think this would be great for 2v2s

The_Templar

your Country52798 Posts

September 08 2011 21:29 GMT

#13

On September 07 2011 22:03 Meltage wrote:
Answer: First, the 6 and 12 mineral lines area becomes more balanced, which is the main reason anyone would do a shift I believe. Second, the slight shift makes the map slightly more fun without being too asymetric. Third, perfect mirror without shift looks ugly

4th, Shakuras IS shifted.

Inside.Out

Canada569 Posts

September 09 2011 00:01 GMT

#14

beautiful map, looks like it would have amazing gameplay.

i hope this map gets noticed by some bigger leagues, since it can really be an improvement on Shakuras

sCnDiamond

Germany340 Posts

September 09 2011 02:22 GMT

#15

Love your work Meltage! All those ideas for nifty details make your maps stand out. In particular that it's usually not a huge innovation and complex arrangement of textures to create a new theme that has never been seen before, but just a little twist with a lot of attention to detail which creates this new look.
Looking forward to see some games on this map this sunday!

Yoshi Kirishima

United States10383 Posts

September 09 2011 03:17 GMT

#16

not sure if this would be better than shakuras, but nice changes

visually it looks great

some interesting changes, i think it should be much better but i haven't played on it yet :D

howLiN

Portugal1676 Posts

September 09 2011 03:57 GMT

#17

I played it a few hours ago and it seemed cool. However I felt that the entrance to the natural is kinda weird, wide ramps on three sides leaves it very exposed so I don't think it's similar to Shakuras when it comes to its economic focus. I also didn't get the purpose of the doodads around those statues. Everything else feels fine.

j0ker

275 Posts

September 09 2011 04:39 GMT

#18

looks amazing

Sea_Food

Finland1612 Posts

September 09 2011 06:59 GMT

#19

On September 08 2011 08:55 Meltage wrote:
@Sea_Food - thats very hard to say. Zerg imba is the hardest to spot I think. Do you have any more concrete argument why the map is zerg-favoured?

1. The map is very open.
2. Bunker rushing seems impossible on this map if any.
3. You could fit another map on the huge airspace behind mains.
4. Line of sight blockers EVERYWHERE.
5. So many attack paths, and with exeption of natural, you have to cover multiple paths more always when you take a base.
6. Extreme aumont of overlord highgrounds.
7. 14 base map.

These are the ones that came to my mind atm.

Meltage

Germany613 Posts

September 09 2011 10:36 GMT

#20

@WniO - yes, I'm not 100% happy with the grass paintjob. On the sprayed parts, it looks a bit less lilke grass and more like moss. At least that's the intention. I saw TPW Damage Inc yesterday ingame, and that grass looks amazing (the entire map looks great) and made me want to change the grass, or the lighting.

@spinnaker - you bet!

@Yoshi Kirishima - lol changing your mind mid-post?

Thanks, play it on sunday in TPW channel bnet!

@GrungyMunchy - Cool that you took some time to play it! Note taken on the nat. It's a bit new, but should be easier to defend than XNC, for instance? P and T can do a FE complete wall-off:

The doodads around the statues are Line of Sight Blockers (LoSBs). The statues themself are destructible with low HP. Like this:

@Sea_Food - thanks for paoints you're brigning up. Those I need to consider and keep in mind when playtesting. I'm not sure that all of them are issues. Do you have any suggestion on changes? You could elaborate on 2 and 7 - why are those bad things?

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