TPW Emerald Jungle
by lefix

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Published on: EU
Playable Size: 158x152
Tileset: Aiur

I actually used 100% Aiur textures in this map. But i made a custom lighting for it.
This is my 'green' map, I think everyone needs at least one

Close spawns are not allowed on this map, so top vs bottom half of the map.
it also uses shifted symmetry (copyright by johanaz)

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Bakuri vs Fender (Masters ZvP)

sCnDiamond

Germany340 Posts

July 25 2011 01:17 GMT

Seen it in action today with Bakuri & Fender, i really liked it

. Aesthetics are really cool, although i would remove those floating banners around the XNWT. If you want to just have a quick look at the map, download the replay, game turned out to be pretty cool.

Reptilia

Chile913 Posts

July 25 2011 01:18 GMT

whats "shifted symmetry"?
anyways, nice map

EatThePath

United States3943 Posts

July 25 2011 02:13 GMT

On July 25 2011 10:18 Reptilia wrote:
whats "shifted symmetry"?
anyways, nice map

Johanaz coined the term for his map Void Rift, which is sort of half rotational half mirror symmetry.

To be more precise, you have 180 rotational symmetry top/bottom, and 180 rotational symmetry left/right, but not 90 rotational symmetry. The overall effect is that you have a 4 player rotational map that feels slightly different going clockwise or counterclockwise from your spawn location. This style also presents the opportunity to have a mirror symmetry style in the center (or anywhere on the axes I guess).

It's a cool style! Shifted symmetry is a cool name too. I also had 3 maps with it before johanaz made void rift. But he can have it cause he's a baller.

Lefix, I think you optimized the map within its original intent. I am a little leery of the prevalence of chokepoints at such regular intervals. There's no good spots to "wait for them to try to cross the plains" (as zerg mostly I guess, but also TvP), because you can hug walls and stepping-stone chokepoints quite nicely. I don't think it's imbalanced, but it makes the map very stress-free for protoss if you plan your moves.

I'm also a little put off by 16 bases, but maybe I'm just going through a phase where I think that's too much. I wonder if you could try a version that gets rid of the 6 and 12 standard mineral bases, leaving only the gold in the 3 and 9.

Other than that it's very nice. I hope you don't take it the wrong way when I say it's a very nice take on the sanctuarium style.

Oh and also, I know it's sort of fun that you used stock aiur, only tweaking the lights. But would please consider changing those cliffs? I think they look really misplaced because I identify them with the special purpose they serve in campaign as creep-covered.

ihasaKAROT

Netherlands4730 Posts

July 25 2011 09:59 GMT

Theres a whole lot of openness in the middle that doenst really have that extra touch... The standard floordecal there... I dunno, explore new worlds I spose

and yes, that floordecal is my new protossdecals ^^

chocopaw

2072 Posts

July 25 2011 10:02 GMT

put that guy in the map.

Johanaz

Denmark363 Posts

July 25 2011 13:40 GMT

U know I love ur maps, Lefix.

I didn´t coin the term "shifted symmetry". It was introduced by Blizzard with Shakuras Plateau.
Void Rift is twisted because of how some bases and the central high ground are rotated.

Btw. shifted symmetry is ancient, here´s a 800 year old example of shifted rotational symmetry:

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ihasaKAROT

Netherlands4730 Posts

July 25 2011 14:32 GMT

I dare you to make that layout into a map Jona

Samro225am

Germany982 Posts

July 25 2011 14:43 GMT

On July 25 2011 23:32 ihasaKAROT wrote:
I dare you to make that layout into a map Jona

when you focus on one star you can recognize that this is a basic 3player rotational symmetry map.
it only loks more complex, because it is made into a pattern

FoxyMayhem

624 Posts

July 25 2011 17:31 GMT

#10

I love this map and I think its beautiful. Very nice.

Looks like there's no way "through" the mineral patches at the 12 and 6 o-clock expansions. That strongly favors terran drop harass, so You might want to look into separating those out. Even the Naturals only have one path through the minerals.

Dragom

194 Posts

July 25 2011 17:48 GMT

#11

... IT LOOKS LIKE A tERRAN CAN GET A PF at the gold and seige ur nat

dezi

Germany1536 Posts

July 25 2011 17:51 GMT

#12

If you take the 3rd as nat you're just dumb.

lefix

Germany1082 Posts

July 28 2011 17:42 GMT

#13

On July 26 2011 02:31 FoxyMayhem wrote:
I love this map and I think its beautiful. Very nice.

Looks like there's no way "through" the mineral patches at the 12 and 6 o-clock expansions. That strongly favors terran drop harass, so You might want to look into separating those out. Even the Naturals only have one path through the minerals.

thx for the notice, mineral placement really seems to not be my strength

changed it now.

i have also removed those flying flags around the middle.

mDuo13

United States307 Posts

July 28 2011 19:36 GMT

#14

Man, the gold minerals look really beautiful on this map.

hobbidude

Canada171 Posts

July 29 2011 07:22 GMT

#15

I'm curious, although you've taken out close spawns what is the rush distance? Also how much of a change is it on close spawn rush distance if you put rocks on the ramp to the nat. Just thinking player might like to wall with a fast expand and the rocks would make that possible and open new spawn possibilities.

Meltage

Germany613 Posts

July 29 2011 10:41 GMT

#16

@hobbidude still, if the rush distance becomes just OK with rocks added, once the rocks are gone it might be too close and coutner-attacks hard to stop.