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Please avoid making the following comments in this topic: -Balance complaints; -Player or caster bashing; -Stream quality or lag complaints;-Offtopic arguments and negativisms. -No effort posts such as +1's, quotes without adding to them and general 'hahaha' etc posts. This is a free event hosted for your entertainment, please enjoy it as such and treat your fellow community members with respect when you post. Transgressions of forum rules and etiquette will be met with bans. For tournament information and results please check our Liquipedia site for the event! You can find it at the end of this link: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_DreamHack/Valencia_InvitationalIf you have any questions feel free to shoot me a PM on site or query me on IRC. Have fun ~Nyovne On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
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On September 18 2011 03:57 -y0shi- wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 02:42 ZAiNs wrote:On September 18 2011 02:41 -y0shi- wrote:
Naniwa goes for "lesser" cheese because he doesnt want to play macro. Everyone gives him crap.
Then Hero the savior goes for the "complete" cheese, maybe people will accept it now...
hf with the rest, im out DT complete cheese? I guess cloak Banshee is complete cheese too. No its not, proving my point lol. When you go for DTs and it doesnt work youre probably dead. Hero only beat Idra because Idra didnt go for the killing blow. A banshee will hardly go down if you know what youre doing it will almost always kill 2-3 probes and afterwards its a nice addition to your army and a constant thread. T can go banshee at little risk, just like hellions, low risk high reward :/
Well, you're wrong, DTs by themselves buy you a lot of time which means your opponent rarely can go for the 'killing blow' straight away, they are more of a constant threat than Banshees, and DTs/Archons can perform well in battles. Hero's problem was losing 2 DTs and an Observer to a single scan. You say that cloak Banshee almost always kill 2-3 workers, but DTs almost always kill a few as well (hell, I think a DT got 6 or 7 Drones against Idra).
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On September 18 2011 03:59 RedDragon571 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:55 RedDragon571 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:53 Hammer442 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game. can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/ Wow you must have a hard time ever enjoying any games if you think that much about any small imperfections in what the casters say :\ nah i enjoy the games fine, but as somebody who really likes the competitve side of the game, the technical small things detract sometimes that's all. Just a slight annoyance. It just makes me sad to think, theirs gold league lil zergies out their thinking that if they don't get bane speed right away their idiots or something. I think casters miss out on some of the higher parts of high level play. It simplifies the game when they don't include them. Sorry but TB and apollo don't understand like day9 can or Idra or QXC, and wolf's pretty solid too. you seem to be putting your viewpoint accross speaking as a very good zerg (or at least that you think youre a very good zerg, so what league are you in? It shouldnt matter but I'm in masters zerg, :/ , I guess you'd have to be decent at zerg to see some of the finer points to DRG's play.
and you think being masters makes you an expert? i offrace as zerg at a masters level yet have no dissilusions of knowing the game down to the smallest details
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On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game. can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/ err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode. Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p source dat plz.
source what you monkeyman? apollo knows his stuff, drg had resources to get bane speed earlier, but he didn't for no real reason.
edit:and i'm at masters too, and drg's resources were flying over 150/150 pretty much whole time, i guess you have to not be total brainless fanboy to see shit.
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Back from Doctor Who and Dinner. TIme to watch Thorzain destroy DRG >: D
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On September 18 2011 04:01 Dexington wrote:
Finals 2 minutes ago!
+1 to this! I can't wait lol ♥ Gogogo finals! I hope it starts soon 
It says players are preparing ^^
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On September 18 2011 03:59 Spacekyod wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:57 flowSthead wrote:
DRG's gonna be singing:
"All the other kids with the pumped stims
better run, better run, outrun my banes.
All the other kids with the sieged up tanks
better run, better run, faster than my mutas." NICE!! My only complaint is why do terran and zerg get all the good songs? No protoss love =(
you get the lonely carrier
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I was not one of those who had lag, and I have to say this has easily been one of the best events to watch! dApollo is absolutely amazing in casting. You got great players, and the event is short enough to actually be able to watch and not waste the entire weekend. Plus in between games I love how you show the bracket, the game next up, and the music is nice so i dont listen to the same 3 minute song like mlg. Such a great tournament guys!
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Someone needs to compile all the songs played today O_O Seriously.
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On September 18 2011 04:00 duckmaster wrote:
seriously dApollo is one of the best casters in the business. I would say his game knowledge is actually better than artosis'. He's also really easy to listen to and is very good at keeping up with what's going on in the production tab, something I feel many casters have trouble with.
Yeah, Apollo doesn't get enough credit.
He's also written in one of his blogs that he spends a lot of his spare time before a tournament researching players and making notes about them for the live cast.
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On September 18 2011 04:00 karpo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game. can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/ err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode. Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p source dat plz. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/ApolloShow nested quote +
From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.
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Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.
kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?
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On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game. can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/ err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode. Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p source dat plz.
TylerWasieleski Tyler Wasieleski
apollo pretty damn good at efficiently reporting all pertinent information and timings
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Apollo
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On September 18 2011 04:02 Artok wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game. can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/ err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode. Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p source dat plz. source what you monkeyman? apollo knows his stuff, drg had resources to get bane speed earlier, but he didn't for no real reason.
Yeah actually I gained a lot of respect for apollo after hearing his history in SC1/SC2, good guy apparently
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On September 18 2011 04:03 Ripper41 wrote:
should be a good finals
Only if it starts.
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the star is revolving exactly like the beat of the song!
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On September 18 2011 04:03 ceaRshaf wrote:Only if it starts.
It's 5 minutes late. Be cool man.
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