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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
oogieogie
Profile Joined June 2011
United States3657 Posts
September 17 2011 19:06 GMT
#7141
On September 18 2011 04:05 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:03 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:00 karpo wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.


can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.


Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p


source dat plz.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Apollo


From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.



Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.




kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?

im sorry but sc2 is FAR away from flawless/near perfect play. DRG, NesTea, MVP etc are all going to make many many many mistakes all game long. while they are playing very well, they have nothing on the skill of BW pros.

yea, and we shouldn't really expect that kind of skill level yet until the game has been out longer.
Bambipwnsu
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Canada698 Posts
September 17 2011 19:06 GMT
#7142
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?


me
LoL @ NA: bambipwnsu
PDizzle
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark1754 Posts
September 17 2011 19:06 GMT
#7143
girl making it awkward ^__^
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 17 2011 19:06 GMT
#7144
On September 18 2011 04:06 ceaRshaf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?


Nope, sorry


Crap. My connection sucks.
Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7145
haha

User was warned for this post
"Make house -> Robots come out of house -> Robots shoot lazers -> Someone wins"
RedDragon571
Profile Joined March 2011
United States633 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7146
On September 18 2011 04:05 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:03 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:00 karpo wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.


can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.


Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p


source dat plz.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Apollo


From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.



Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.




kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?

im sorry but sc2 is FAR away from flawless/near perfect play. DRG, NesTea, MVP etc are all going to make many many many mistakes all game long. while they are playing very well, they have nothing on the skill of BW pros.


They were BW pro's? MVP was good, when he plays obvious mistakes don't really happen?
Termit
Profile Joined December 2010
Sweden3466 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7147
They could have been playing some track in the background when they walked up to the stage.
( ̄。 ̄)~zzz ◕ ◡ ◕
Artok
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands2219 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7148
On September 18 2011 04:05 RedDragon571 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:59 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:55 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 Hammer442 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.


can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

Wow you must have a hard time ever enjoying any games if you think that much about any small imperfections in what the casters say :\


nah i enjoy the games fine, but as somebody who really likes the competitve side of the game, the technical small things detract sometimes that's all. Just a slight annoyance. It just makes me sad to think, theirs gold league lil zergies out their thinking that if they don't get bane speed right away their idiots or something. I think casters miss out on some of the higher parts of high level play. It simplifies the game when they don't include them. Sorry but TB and apollo don't understand like day9 can or Idra or QXC, and wolf's pretty solid too.

you seem to be putting your viewpoint accross speaking as a very good zerg (or at least that you think youre a very good zerg, so what league are you in?


It shouldnt matter but I'm in masters zerg, :/ , I guess you'd have to be decent at zerg to see some of the finer points to DRG's play.

and you think being masters makes you an expert? i offrace as zerg at a masters level yet have no dissilusions of knowing the game down to the smallest details


lol so butthurt everyone is, I'm just saying couldn't their be other reasons for not getting bane speed so early, I think they're are plenty.

no there werent, he just didnt think of it, do you think players are playing the game perfectly after 1 year after its release? woooow
Chun-li since ST
TheAntZ
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Israel6248 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7149
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?

insanely hard, no other stream on TLs sidebar is lagging at all.
43084 | Honeybadger: "So july, you're in the GSL finals. How do you feel?!" ~ July: "HUNGRY."
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7150
Glasses seem to have been the killer this tourney :D.

ThorZaiN bring the thunder!
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Spitmode
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany1510 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7151
On September 18 2011 04:06 PDizzle wrote:
girl making it awkward ^__^


no, she's not.
"Make house -> Robots come out of house -> Robots shoot lazers -> Someone wins"
Vorlik
Profile Joined October 2010
1522 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7152
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:06 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?


Nope, sorry


Crap. My connection sucks.


Lagging for me too and my connection is fine
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7153
On September 18 2011 04:05 RedDragon571 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:59 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:55 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 Hammer442 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.


can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

Wow you must have a hard time ever enjoying any games if you think that much about any small imperfections in what the casters say :\


nah i enjoy the games fine, but as somebody who really likes the competitve side of the game, the technical small things detract sometimes that's all. Just a slight annoyance. It just makes me sad to think, theirs gold league lil zergies out their thinking that if they don't get bane speed right away their idiots or something. I think casters miss out on some of the higher parts of high level play. It simplifies the game when they don't include them. Sorry but TB and apollo don't understand like day9 can or Idra or QXC, and wolf's pretty solid too.

you seem to be putting your viewpoint accross speaking as a very good zerg (or at least that you think youre a very good zerg, so what league are you in?


It shouldnt matter but I'm in masters zerg, :/ , I guess you'd have to be decent at zerg to see some of the finer points to DRG's play.

and you think being masters makes you an expert? i offrace as zerg at a masters level yet have no dissilusions of knowing the game down to the smallest details


lol so butthurt everyone is, I'm just saying couldn't their be other reasons for not getting bane speed so early, I think they're are plenty.


Well when you say something quite silly, expect to be called out on it.
Teael
Profile Joined February 2011
United States724 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7154
I thought I saw some dude waving a top hat around....

Anyone else saw that? or am I seeing things?
All Bogs
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands104 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7155
TB showing how it's done, love that guy
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7156
[image loading]

CRUSH HIS FACE THORZAIN!
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Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7157
Whoa small room, heh. Whacky.
twitch.tv/medrea
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7158
On September 18 2011 04:06 Bambipwnsu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?


me


Audio doesn't lag video does, and my internet connection isn't slow or anything so I'm unsure.
In life, the journey is more satisfying than the destination. || .::Entrepreneurship::. Living a few years of your life like most people won't, so that you can spend the rest of your life like most people can't || Mechanical Engineering & Economics Major
Demonaz
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1219 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7159
3-0 roflstomp incoming

(I hope I'm wrong)
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7160
I remember a game TB casted a few months ago where literally every point he made was wrong, he's actually come quite a long way
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