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Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
soverRR
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Sweden348 Posts
September 17 2011 19:07 GMT
#7161
On September 18 2011 04:07 Spitmode wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:06 PDizzle wrote:
girl making it awkward ^__^


no, she's not.


Actually, she is.
Shackadeemus
Profile Joined March 2011
Ireland247 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7162
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:06 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?


Nope, sorry


Crap. My connection sucks.

It's lagging for me too @ 360p
Pirate-bird ftw.
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7163
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:06 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?


Nope, sorry


Crap. My connection sucks.


I have 100/10 mbits but it lagged for me on 240p until i found a US proxy
SC2, rip in pepperinos
Corrik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1416 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7164
On September 18 2011 04:07 Vorlik wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:06 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?


Nope, sorry


Crap. My connection sucks.


Lagging for me too and my connection is fine


Okay. So not just me. I thought my connection was pretty solid.
Nyovne
Profile Joined March 2006
Netherlands19138 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7165
Can we please not start this lag debate all over again. I've had to crush it twice now and would rather not have to do so again.
ModeratorFor remember, that in the end, some are born to live, others born to die. I belong to those last, born to burn, born to cry. For I shall remain alone... forsaken.
Assirra
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium4169 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7166
On September 18 2011 04:05 L3g3nd_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:03 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:00 karpo wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.


can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.


Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p


source dat plz.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Apollo


From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.



Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.




kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?

im sorry but sc2 is FAR away from flawless/near perfect play. DRG, NesTea, MVP etc are all going to make many many many mistakes all game long. while they are playing very well, they have nothing on the skill of BW pros.

Well yea Starcraft 2 is out for a year with no expansions yet so can't get perfect it to much since stuff non stop changes.
Wait a couple years and we will see how close they are to the broodwar pro's. (note i am not saying they will be better so don't start the bw vs sc2 debate)
landmarktiger
Profile Joined April 2011
226 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7167
wow thorzain looks so freaking tall - how tall is he?
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7168
On September 18 2011 04:07 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
[image loading]

CRUSH HIS FACE THORZAIN!


ThorZaiN is Bringing IT
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7169
stream quiet or is it just me?
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7170
On September 18 2011 04:07 RedDragon571 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:05 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:03 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:00 karpo wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.


can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.


Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p


source dat plz.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Apollo


From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.



Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.




kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?

im sorry but sc2 is FAR away from flawless/near perfect play. DRG, NesTea, MVP etc are all going to make many many many mistakes all game long. while they are playing very well, they have nothing on the skill of BW pros.


They were BW pro's? MVP was good, when he plays obvious mistakes don't really happen?

yes they were, but the same mechanics dont just move straight over. MVP still gets supply blocked miss micro lose tanks/medivacs to muta etc etc etc
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
FarbrorAbavna
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden4856 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7171
aaaaaaw SHIET, thorzain vs DRG. Gonna be insane or really anticlimactic. THORZAIN FIGHTING!!!
Do you really want chat rooms?
oDieN[Siege]
Profile Joined November 2009
United States2905 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7172
On September 18 2011 04:06 Thesidu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:05 Mohdoo wrote:
I hope he gets paid.. O_o


He gets a free trip to Valencia

Free trip to Valencia + watching some awesome StarCraft 2 matches? I'll take it. :D
말크 : ^_^~ NeO)GabuAt, vGODieN
ProxyKnoxy
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2576 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7173
I love when TB shouts he looks from side to side awkwardly xD
"Zealot try give mariners high five. Mariners not like high five and try hide and shoot zealot"
acidfreak
Profile Joined November 2010
Romania352 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7174
TB looking like an evil hoard leader, shouting the battle cry and looking mean in a random direction while the infinite hoards of devil spawns roar!


+ Show Spoiler +
stonedcraft ftw
You can't out-think the swarm, you can't out-maneuver the swarm, and you certainly can't break the morale of the swarm.
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7175
I'm saying 2-0 for DRG then 3-2 comeback for ThorZain <3
marttorn
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Norway5211 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7176
I think the "token girl" for this event did pretty well, no big screwups (HasuOrb) that results in 15 pages of LR RAGE

Thumbs up!
memes are a dish best served dank
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7177
I think Thorzain's going to bring a spoon to a knife fight. We'll see how this turns out.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Gotmog
Profile Joined October 2010
Serbia899 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7178
On September 18 2011 04:03 RedDragon571 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:00 karpo wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote:
Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.


can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.


Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p


source dat plz.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Apollo


From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.



Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.




kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?

It's been known to happen, often...
Bane speed, stim, siege, blue flame, thermal lense.....
"When you play the game of drones, you win or you die. There is no middle ground"
Yew
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States940 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7179
What kind of headsets are they wearing? They look pretty awesome.
awha
Profile Joined August 2010
Denmark1358 Posts
September 17 2011 19:08 GMT
#7180
On September 18 2011 04:08 Kevan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:06 ceaRshaf wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:06 Corrik wrote:
Is this lagging for anyone else?


Nope, sorry


Crap. My connection sucks.


I have 100/10 mbits but it lagged for me on 240p until i found a US proxy


wierd, 720+ works perfectly for me here in DK
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