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On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote: Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote: Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.
can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory
He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/
err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.
Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p
From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.
Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.
kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?
im sorry but sc2 is FAR away from flawless/near perfect play. DRG, NesTea, MVP etc are all going to make many many many mistakes all game long. while they are playing very well, they have nothing on the skill of BW pros.
Well yea Starcraft 2 is out for a year with no expansions yet so can't get perfect it to much since stuff non stop changes. Wait a couple years and we will see how close they are to the broodwar pro's. (note i am not saying they will be better so don't start the bw vs sc2 debate)
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote: Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.
can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory
He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/
err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.
Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p
From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.
Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.
kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?
im sorry but sc2 is FAR away from flawless/near perfect play. DRG, NesTea, MVP etc are all going to make many many many mistakes all game long. while they are playing very well, they have nothing on the skill of BW pros.
They were BW pro's? MVP was good, when he plays obvious mistakes don't really happen?
yes they were, but the same mechanics dont just move straight over. MVP still gets supply blocked miss micro lose tanks/medivacs to muta etc etc etc
On September 18 2011 03:41 RedDragon571 wrote: Omg, Apollo's criticism of Pro-players makes me cringe. Half the stuff he criticizes about DRG is just flat out wrong. I hope to hes not another gold league caster. :/, I've liked his stuff in the past but it seems hes trying too hard to make himself look knowledgeable about that game.
can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory
He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/
err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.
Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p
From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.
Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.
kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?
It's been known to happen, often... Bane speed, stim, siege, blue flame, thermal lense.....
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