• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 19:06
CEST 01:06
KST 08:06
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Finals Preview: Sweet Victory!9[ASL22] Ro4 Preview: Mirror Mirror6[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5
Community News
Evil Geniuses - shutting down10ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier5Weekly Cups (October 12-18): 5.0.17 era begins1[$1250] International ShieldBattery League54Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.167
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (October 5-11): Farewell to 5.0.16 REPORT: StarCraft 2: Remastered In Development How do you feel about the mass reverts in the 5.0.17 PTR? No more SC2 streamers on team liquid? Evil Geniuses - shutting down
Tourneys
ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event RSL goes to London! 2026 Offline Finals Nov 21-22 ISSL (IntoTheTV x SOOP SC2 League): Premier Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament WORTEX Challenger Series — Open SC2 LAN in Budapes
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[G] How to playtest arcade maps [A] Nemrods 1/4 players [M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
Mutation # 548 Shining Bright The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 547 Temple Of Terror Mutation # 546 Catch the Train
Brood War
General
Do we even care about balance? Bot on ladder [Megathread] Daily Funny Videos Sagi.gg Launcher Released Rollback Netcode in Brood War
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [$1250] International ShieldBattery League [ASL22] Grand Finals [BSL23] RO24 Group Stage
Strategy
50,000-Word Terran Builds Memo 2026-10-22 Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread General RTS Discussion Thread Armies of Exigo - YesYes? Dawn of War IV
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25!
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread The Games Industry And ATVI
Fan Clubs
Serral Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion!
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023 MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
How Much Genes Contribute to…
TrAiDoS
ShieldBattery on Mac
Kraekkling
[ASL22] Ro4 Day1 Ticket Giv…
bITt.mAN
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 8502 users

DreamHack Valencia Invitational LIVE THREAD - Page 361

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 Tournaments
Post a Reply
Prev 1 359 360 361 362 363 510 Next
Please avoid making the following comments in this topic:

-Balance complaints;
-Player or caster bashing;
-Stream quality or lag complaints;
-Offtopic arguments and negativisms.
-No effort posts such as +1's, quotes without adding to them and general 'hahaha' etc posts.

This is a free event hosted for your entertainment, please enjoy it as such and treat your fellow community members with respect when you post. Transgressions of forum rules and etiquette will be met with bans.

For tournament information and results please check our Liquipedia site for the event! You can find it at the end of this link:
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_DreamHack/Valencia_Invitational

If you have any questions feel free to shoot me a PM on site or query me on IRC. Have fun ~Nyovne


On September 18 2011 01:54 TotalBiscuit wrote:
Oh stop whining you lot. Bunch of sissies on this forum. The only drama is coming from you guys. Enjoy the tournament and stop acting like this is TMZ XD
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42417 Posts
September 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#7201
On September 18 2011 04:10 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:09 zolii wrote:
zerg has to win cause zerg never wins


Nestea?


Been too long, since Zerg won anything big! ^_^
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
September 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#7202
tzains introvideo is soo cool.
keep it deep! @zulison
Xayvier
Profile Joined November 2010
United States387 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 19:11:00
September 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#7203
lol thorzain raises his eyebrows when he sees people clapping
Novalisk
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Israel1818 Posts
September 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#7204
TB's intros so good, casters take notes!
/commercial
Theeakoz
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1114 Posts
September 17 2011 19:10 GMT
#7205
GO THORZAIN !
Please change the luck dependancy of spawning locations on rotationally symmetric maps.
ceaRshaf
Profile Joined August 2009
Romania4926 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 19:11:28
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7206
Well Thorzain did beat Nestea in TSL. (if i remember right)
Mess with the best, die like the rest.
Zorgaz
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden2951 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7207
People didn't think ThorZaIN could beat Fruitdealer, look where he is now :D

Gogo ThorZaIN :D
Furthermore, I think the Collosi should be removed! (Zorgaz -Terran/AbrA-Random/Zorg-Dota2) Guineapigs <3
Eishi_Ki
Profile Joined April 2009
Korea (South)1667 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7208
Screw Terran, Go Thorzain!

I'm so torn ;;
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-17 19:11:23
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7209
Go T-Zain, there's another Korean to be slain.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
L3g3nd_
Profile Joined July 2010
New Zealand10461 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7210
On September 18 2011 04:09 zolii wrote:
zerg has to win cause zerg never wins

true, theyve only won more GSL's than any other race THIS IS AN OUTRAGE, ZERG NEVER WINS
https://twitter.com/#!/IrisAnother
Kevan
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden2303 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7211
On September 18 2011 04:09 Daralii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:07 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:05 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:03 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:00 karpo wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:58 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:56 TheHova wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
[quote]

can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

err delayed seige means less money into tanks, which means more money into marines, so bane speed is MORE important when you see a delayed seige mode.


Nah dude, RedDragon571 knows more about these kind of things than Pro players who praise apollo for his knowledge and casting, who also used to be a decent Zerg player before becoming a caster. :p


source dat plz.


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Apollo


From the first day of the beta Apollo played as Terran, his race in Brood War. He played all day every day until he moved back to Korea for the summer of 2010 to live with Tasteless. He spent his time there talking Starcraft 2 every day with Idra, Artosis and his roommate. Tasteless influenced Apollo to begin commentating and he applied for the position of Day 9s co-commentator at IEM Season V.



Apollo started out the release of the game playing Zerg, playing at a high level but never winning tournaments. He ultimately switched to Random to assist him in his casting.




kk thats legit, I don't think DRG, was making those mistakes, he plays T v Z different from any other zerg really, it seemed kinda weird apollo knows better than DRG. I dunno, just seems like blasphemy, DRG forget bane speed?

im sorry but sc2 is FAR away from flawless/near perfect play. DRG, NesTea, MVP etc are all going to make many many many mistakes all game long. while they are playing very well, they have nothing on the skill of BW pros.


They were BW pro's? MVP was good, when he plays obvious mistakes don't really happen?

NesTea was a 2v2 coach, and MVP's greatest accomplishment was taking a game off Flash(an impressive feat, don't get me wrong). When people bring up BW pros, they generally refer to Flash and Jaedong, two people that genuinely make almost no mistakes in their play.


I heard July, Boxer and Nada were good at BW but I´m not really sure...
SC2, rip in pepperinos
TheHova
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United Kingdom2612 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7212
On September 18 2011 04:09 RedDragon571 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:07 TheHova wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:05 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 04:01 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:59 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:57 L3g3nd_ wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:55 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:53 Hammer442 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:51 RedDragon571 wrote:
On September 18 2011 03:44 L3g3nd_ wrote:
[quote]

can you give an example? ive really enjoyed his commentary, and found his game knowledge to be more than satisfactory


He kept complaining about the bane speed timings, which were in fact fine. DRG vs Lucifron he was using a heavy ling muta counterattack style similar to zenex line, to get out more drones. Also you don't need that many banes if your already ahead. In the rain game, DRG saw a late seigemode, so bane speed wasn't a big deal and delaying it can get you a slightly better economy. The little things pro-players do add up. Also he kept complaining about heroes force fields and not using them when he actually used them all. I mean it just bothers me when he says that's a mistake, when there's legitimate reasons to do that. Besides pointing out player mistakes distracts from the energy of the game, and i think its more casters trying to inflate their own ego. It annoys me when tasteless and artosis point out mistakes which actually may not be. Just some opinion, good tourney so far! T v P dissapoints me tho :/

Wow you must have a hard time ever enjoying any games if you think that much about any small imperfections in what the casters say :\


nah i enjoy the games fine, but as somebody who really likes the competitve side of the game, the technical small things detract sometimes that's all. Just a slight annoyance. It just makes me sad to think, theirs gold league lil zergies out their thinking that if they don't get bane speed right away their idiots or something. I think casters miss out on some of the higher parts of high level play. It simplifies the game when they don't include them. Sorry but TB and apollo don't understand like day9 can or Idra or QXC, and wolf's pretty solid too.

you seem to be putting your viewpoint accross speaking as a very good zerg (or at least that you think youre a very good zerg, so what league are you in?


It shouldnt matter but I'm in masters zerg, :/ , I guess you'd have to be decent at zerg to see some of the finer points to DRG's play.

and you think being masters makes you an expert? i offrace as zerg at a masters level yet have no dissilusions of knowing the game down to the smallest details


lol so butthurt everyone is, I'm just saying couldn't their be other reasons for not getting bane speed so early, I think they're are plenty.


Well when you say something quite silly, expect to be called out on it.


Whats silly about that?


You insinuating that apollo could be a gold scrub and doesn't know the competitive side of the game. Pretty silly.
Xayvier
Profile Joined November 2010
United States387 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7213
On September 18 2011 04:11 ceaRshaf wrote:
Well Thorzain did beat Nestea in TSL.


Nah, that was Goody. But it was an online tournament, so...
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7214
On September 18 2011 04:09 Ryka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 18 2011 04:08 marttorn wrote:
I think the "token girl" for this event did pretty well, no big screwups (HasuOrb) that results in 15 pages of LR RAGE

Thumbs up!


Yeah she's not embarrassed herself too much, just a shame she showed up in her PJs really.

I don't know why everyone keeps calling them PJs. My female friends always dress like this when they go out :S. I see tonnes of girls walk around campus look like it to...
<3 | Dota 2 | DayZ | <3
-_-
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States7081 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7215
i'll watch 1 game b/c I don't really watch anything but toss. if t-pain takes it, I'll stick around, but if drg wins, I'm going to go for a jog.
spacer
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands2786 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7216
Well DRG did win the LG cinema tournament...
Sina92
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1303 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7217
DRG won the big korean samsung 3D open tourny i believe?
My penis is 15 inches long, I'm a Harvard professor and look better than Brad Pitt and Jake Gyllenhaal combined.
hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7218
DRG did win that LG tournament o_O
Gh86
Profile Joined June 2011
646 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7219
On September 18 2011 04:11 ceaRshaf wrote:
Well Thorzain did beat Nestea in TSL. (if i remember right)


Goody beat nestea in TSL
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
September 17 2011 19:11 GMT
#7220
On September 18 2011 04:09 zolii wrote:
zerg has to win cause zerg never wins


Stop whining. Zerg's won plenty.
Come back when you can make a statement without going (Except for in Korea) or some bullshit like that.
I bet i can maı̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̸̨̨̨̨̨̨ke you wipe your screen.
Prev 1 359 360 361 362 363 510 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
OSC
08:00
OSC Elite Rising Star #21
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Liquid`TLO 321
Nathanias 104
StarCraft: Brood War
Artosis 583
firebathero 214
ProTech174
910 42
HiyA 16
Dota 2
syndereN643
monkeys_forever400
League of Legends
Doublelift4504
Super Smash Bros
PPMD75
Heroes of the Storm
Trikslyr67
Other Games
summit1g6357
shahzam559
ToD270
C9.Mang0246
JimRising 121
NeuroSwarm63
ViBE44
JuggernautJason41
PiGStarcraft1
Organizations
StarCraft 2
CranKy Ducklings9
[ Show 17 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Adnapsc2 21
• musti20045 13
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP5
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• Azhi_Dahaki30
• blackmanpl 27
• HerbMon 1
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Scarra1078
Other Games
• imaqtpie824
• Shiphtur581
Upcoming Events
WardiTV Summer Champion…
11h 54m
Harstem vs Zoun
Harstem vs GgMaChine
GgMaChine vs Lambo
Harstem vs Lambo
GgMaChine vs Zoun
Lambo vs Zoun
OSC
14h 54m
Big Brain Bouts
16h 54m
FEL
1d 9h
Patches Events
1d 13h
AI Arena Tournament
1d 17h
FEL
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Replay Cast
2 days
WardiTV Weekly
3 days
[ Show More ]
IntoTheTV X SOOP
4 days
ByuN vs Lambo
MaxPax vs Bunny
PiGosaur Cup
5 days
The PondCast
5 days
Kung Fu Cup
5 days
IntoTheTV X SOOP
6 days
SHIN vs GuMiho
Clem vs Classic
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-10-20
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
HCC Season 3

Ongoing

Acropolis #5
IPSL Winter 2026-27
KCM Race Survival 2026 Season 4
Acropolis #5 - GSC
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026

Upcoming

BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
eXTREMESLAND 2026
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.