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On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining?
Obviously Nydus Worm.
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Or Spire tech, or Overlord Drops
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On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining?
They don't need harass to beat a FFE so I don't get what your point is. Protoss kinda do to beat a macroing zerg.
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On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining?
LOL. This reminds me of the old zerg whine about the protoss deathball and the protoss players would just say you have to stop the protoss from getting it in the first place through aggression or whatever. Of course, the answer these days and successfully at that is through droning like a mad man and macro-ing up not actually through some form of harass or all-in.
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On September 21 2011 12:10 wklbishop wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining? LOL. This reminds me of the old zerg whine about the protoss deathball and the protoss players would just say you have to stop the protoss from getting it in the first place through aggression or whatever. Of course, the answer these days and successfully at that is through droning like a mad man and macro-ing up not actually through some form of harass or all-in.
That's my point. Zerg can't win vs Protoss on even bases, even number of workers, short of all-ins. Since Zerg can't harass to stop Protoss from fast expanding, Zerg takes a quick third.
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On September 21 2011 12:13 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:10 wklbishop wrote:On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining? LOL. This reminds me of the old zerg whine about the protoss deathball and the protoss players would just say you have to stop the protoss from getting it in the first place through aggression or whatever. Of course, the answer these days and successfully at that is through droning like a mad man and macro-ing up not actually through some form of harass or all-in. That's my point. Zerg can't win vs Protoss on even bases, even number of workers, short of all-ins. Since Zerg can't harass to stop Protoss from fast expanding, Zerg takes a quick third.
What are you arguing? Yes zerg usually can't win on even bases, but it's fine because they safely and quickly take a third...
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On September 21 2011 11:52 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 11:49 Heavenly wrote:On September 21 2011 11:40 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:34 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:32 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:30 Yamulo wrote:On September 21 2011 11:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:On September 21 2011 11:27 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:20 wklbishop wrote:On September 21 2011 11:16 Blasphemi wrote:
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Watch DRG vs Thorzain. Thorzain goes Helion FE and DRG builds a few Roaches and does massive damage because if Terran does that he has only harass units and no army. Hence his build does not cover all options.
The original talk was on opening builds that you have to decide on even before you scout though. If blind counters is all you can do then the game is pretty depressing... Well if you insist on doing the same opening every single game, don't be surprised when Zergs pick the best response to that build. Forge FE is the BEST response to a 14 Hatch, which Zergs do EVERY single game. Also the best response to speedling expand and pool expo.. But I mean a zerg player is going to tell us that a terrible one base build is better... Then feel free to keep losing every game. Shame really as I enjoy watching Protoss in Code S. Haha I swear to god if Hero did a 1 base all in you would be in this thread telling him to play standard and that he's a cheesy protoss noob who's less talented than all the zergs and terrans. Nothing wrong with a bit of cheese. I actually really like TSL_Rain for example. But you won't become MVP level doing that every game. On that topic I just don't see a Protoss player who consistantly makes good decisions as much as MVP, Bomber, MMA, Nestea or Losira. Part of the Protoss problem is definitely the lack of talented Sc2 players picking Protoss, even if they are underpowered right now (especially PvT, much less so PvZ). Herp, if the race is underpowered and has design issues then there aren't always good decisions to make to respond to a situation. Lol...this. Seriously wanna explain to me the massive coincidence of no talented people picking Protoss? That is such a stupid argument. Of course the players don't look good while they're playing a shit race...
Koreans are 99% of good players. Protoss has never been popular in Korea including Brood War.
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On September 21 2011 12:13 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:10 wklbishop wrote:On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining? LOL. This reminds me of the old zerg whine about the protoss deathball and the protoss players would just say you have to stop the protoss from getting it in the first place through aggression or whatever. Of course, the answer these days and successfully at that is through droning like a mad man and macro-ing up not actually through some form of harass or all-in. That's my point. Zerg can't win vs Protoss on even bases, even number of workers, short of all-ins. Since Zerg can't harass to stop Protoss from fast expanding, Zerg takes a quick third.
There isn't a greater amount of pro koreans playing terran. They're just all in Code S. Unless you wanna show me some statistics disproving that, or showing like a 20 : 1 terran to toss ratio try again please.
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On September 21 2011 12:16 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:13 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 12:10 wklbishop wrote:On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining? LOL. This reminds me of the old zerg whine about the protoss deathball and the protoss players would just say you have to stop the protoss from getting it in the first place through aggression or whatever. Of course, the answer these days and successfully at that is through droning like a mad man and macro-ing up not actually through some form of harass or all-in. That's my point. Zerg can't win vs Protoss on even bases, even number of workers, short of all-ins. Since Zerg can't harass to stop Protoss from fast expanding, Zerg takes a quick third. What are you arguing? Yes zerg usually can't win on even bases, but it's fine because they safely and quickly take a third...
I'm arguing that "it's fine" for Zerg to take a quick third, and you apparently agree, so people shouldn't whine that Zerg is able to take a quick third.
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On September 21 2011 12:13 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:10 wklbishop wrote:On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining? LOL. This reminds me of the old zerg whine about the protoss deathball and the protoss players would just say you have to stop the protoss from getting it in the first place through aggression or whatever. Of course, the answer these days and successfully at that is through droning like a mad man and macro-ing up not actually through some form of harass or all-in. That's my point. Zerg can't win vs Protoss on even bases, even number of workers, short of all-ins. Since Zerg can't harass to stop Protoss from fast expanding, Zerg takes a quick third.
Yes, zerg CAN win on even bases/workers. It's called the Infestor, you know that unit you didn't use until Blizzard buffed it so you could see it.
Protoss can't beat a Zerg that's ahead on bases, because Protoss can't harass at ALL.
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On September 21 2011 12:21 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:16 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 12:13 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 12:10 wklbishop wrote:On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining? LOL. This reminds me of the old zerg whine about the protoss deathball and the protoss players would just say you have to stop the protoss from getting it in the first place through aggression or whatever. Of course, the answer these days and successfully at that is through droning like a mad man and macro-ing up not actually through some form of harass or all-in. That's my point. Zerg can't win vs Protoss on even bases, even number of workers, short of all-ins. Since Zerg can't harass to stop Protoss from fast expanding, Zerg takes a quick third. What are you arguing? Yes zerg usually can't win on even bases, but it's fine because they safely and quickly take a third... I'm arguing that "it's fine" for Zerg to take a quick third, and you apparently agree, so people shouldn't whine that Zerg is able to take a quick third.
People are whining because protoss have no viable responses especially on this god forsaken map.
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On September 21 2011 12:21 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:16 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 12:13 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 12:10 wklbishop wrote:On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining? LOL. This reminds me of the old zerg whine about the protoss deathball and the protoss players would just say you have to stop the protoss from getting it in the first place through aggression or whatever. Of course, the answer these days and successfully at that is through droning like a mad man and macro-ing up not actually through some form of harass or all-in. That's my point. Zerg can't win vs Protoss on even bases, even number of workers, short of all-ins. Since Zerg can't harass to stop Protoss from fast expanding, Zerg takes a quick third. What are you arguing? Yes zerg usually can't win on even bases, but it's fine because they safely and quickly take a third... I'm arguing that "it's fine" for Zerg to take a quick third, and you apparently agree, so people shouldn't whine that Zerg is able to take a quick third.
Its tough but its "ok" to take a third, just not an unpunishable gold third like in the hero vs losira game. The gold is broken. Period
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On September 21 2011 12:18 Blasphemi wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 11:52 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:49 Heavenly wrote:On September 21 2011 11:40 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:34 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:32 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:30 Yamulo wrote:On September 21 2011 11:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:On September 21 2011 11:27 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:20 wklbishop wrote:
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The original talk was on opening builds that you have to decide on even before you scout though. If blind counters is all you can do then the game is pretty depressing... Well if you insist on doing the same opening every single game, don't be surprised when Zergs pick the best response to that build. Forge FE is the BEST response to a 14 Hatch, which Zergs do EVERY single game. Also the best response to speedling expand and pool expo.. But I mean a zerg player is going to tell us that a terrible one base build is better... Then feel free to keep losing every game. Shame really as I enjoy watching Protoss in Code S. Haha I swear to god if Hero did a 1 base all in you would be in this thread telling him to play standard and that he's a cheesy protoss noob who's less talented than all the zergs and terrans. Nothing wrong with a bit of cheese. I actually really like TSL_Rain for example. But you won't become MVP level doing that every game. On that topic I just don't see a Protoss player who consistantly makes good decisions as much as MVP, Bomber, MMA, Nestea or Losira. Part of the Protoss problem is definitely the lack of talented Sc2 players picking Protoss, even if they are underpowered right now (especially PvT, much less so PvZ). Herp, if the race is underpowered and has design issues then there aren't always good decisions to make to respond to a situation. Lol...this. Seriously wanna explain to me the massive coincidence of no talented people picking Protoss? That is such a stupid argument. Of course the players don't look good while they're playing a shit race... Koreans are 99% of good players. Protoss has never been popular in Korea including Brood War.
Edit... Somehow I posted it in the quote. Basically I think protoss needs some innovation. And that players like hero, sage, and jyp are the people who will get it done and are underrated. For example you said hero is tricky with warp prisms and all ins in pvt ect.. Just read my previous post about it ^^.
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On September 21 2011 12:34 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:18 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:52 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:49 Heavenly wrote:On September 21 2011 11:40 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:34 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:32 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:30 Yamulo wrote:On September 21 2011 11:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:On September 21 2011 11:27 Blasphemi wrote:
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Well if you insist on doing the same opening every single game, don't be surprised when Zergs pick the best response to that build. Forge FE is the BEST response to a 14 Hatch, which Zergs do EVERY single game. Also the best response to speedling expand and pool expo.. But I mean a zerg player is going to tell us that a terrible one base build is better... Then feel free to keep losing every game. Shame really as I enjoy watching Protoss in Code S. Haha I swear to god if Hero did a 1 base all in you would be in this thread telling him to play standard and that he's a cheesy protoss noob who's less talented than all the zergs and terrans. Nothing wrong with a bit of cheese. I actually really like TSL_Rain for example. But you won't become MVP level doing that every game. On that topic I just don't see a Protoss player who consistantly makes good decisions as much as MVP, Bomber, MMA, Nestea or Losira. Part of the Protoss problem is definitely the lack of talented Sc2 players picking Protoss, even if they are underpowered right now (especially PvT, much less so PvZ). Herp, if the race is underpowered and has design issues then there aren't always good decisions to make to respond to a situation. Lol...this. Seriously wanna explain to me the massive coincidence of no talented people picking Protoss? That is such a stupid argument. Of course the players don't look good while they're playing a shit race... Koreans are 99% of good players. Protoss has never been popular in Korea including Brood War.
Already refuted that, and I don't see a link to statistics in your post. Also, lack of popularity doesn't translate to not a single protoss player in the world able to beat consistenly high end Code S zerg or terrans in a BO series.
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On September 21 2011 12:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Protoss can't beat a Zerg that's ahead on bases, because Protoss can't harass at ALL. What are you on about, son? You have 4 out of the 5 best harassment units in the game.
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On September 21 2011 12:37 Jinivus wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:34 Yamulo wrote:On September 21 2011 12:18 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:52 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:49 Heavenly wrote:On September 21 2011 11:40 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:34 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:32 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:30 Yamulo wrote:On September 21 2011 11:29 VirgilSC2 wrote:
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Forge FE is the BEST response to a 14 Hatch, which Zergs do EVERY single game.
Also the best response to speedling expand and pool expo.. But I mean a zerg player is going to tell us that a terrible one base build is better... Then feel free to keep losing every game. Shame really as I enjoy watching Protoss in Code S. Haha I swear to god if Hero did a 1 base all in you would be in this thread telling him to play standard and that he's a cheesy protoss noob who's less talented than all the zergs and terrans. Nothing wrong with a bit of cheese. I actually really like TSL_Rain for example. But you won't become MVP level doing that every game. On that topic I just don't see a Protoss player who consistantly makes good decisions as much as MVP, Bomber, MMA, Nestea or Losira. Part of the Protoss problem is definitely the lack of talented Sc2 players picking Protoss, even if they are underpowered right now (especially PvT, much less so PvZ). Herp, if the race is underpowered and has design issues then there aren't always good decisions to make to respond to a situation. Lol...this. Seriously wanna explain to me the massive coincidence of no talented people picking Protoss? That is such a stupid argument. Of course the players don't look good while they're playing a shit race... Koreans are 99% of good players. Protoss has never been popular in Korea including Brood War. Already refuted that, and I don't see a link to statistics in your post. Also, lack of popularity doesn't translate to not a single protoss player in the world able to beat consistenly high end Code S zerg or terrans in a BO series.
Wait what about stats. If I didn't mess it up horribly like I think I did (somehow fucked up the quote really bad....), basically what I am trying to say is it is way to soon to say imbalance, and that Protoss needs an innovative player to come and show us how it is done. Just forget that quote i said because it was an accident T_T
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On September 21 2011 12:38 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Protoss can't beat a Zerg that's ahead on bases, because Protoss can't harass at ALL. What are you on about, son? You have 4 out of the 5 best harassment units in the game.
Hahahaha. Hahhahaha. lol. Even if that was true when any competent zerg player can completely negate our "best harssment units" with spinecrawler and 2 queens, who cares?
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On September 21 2011 12:38 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:22 VirgilSC2 wrote:
Protoss can't beat a Zerg that's ahead on bases, because Protoss can't harass at ALL. What are you on about, son? You have 4 out of the 5 best harassment units in the game.
wtf? DTs I would argue are not even that good. They are countered by 1 spore and 1 spine, where as mutas/ hellions are not dealt with so easily.... Please enlighten me.
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On September 21 2011 12:39 Yamulo wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 12:37 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 12:34 Yamulo wrote:On September 21 2011 12:18 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:52 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:49 Heavenly wrote:On September 21 2011 11:40 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:34 Jinivus wrote:On September 21 2011 11:32 Blasphemi wrote:On September 21 2011 11:30 Yamulo wrote:
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Also the best response to speedling expand and pool expo.. But I mean a zerg player is going to tell us that a terrible one base build is better...
Then feel free to keep losing every game. Shame really as I enjoy watching Protoss in Code S. Haha I swear to god if Hero did a 1 base all in you would be in this thread telling him to play standard and that he's a cheesy protoss noob who's less talented than all the zergs and terrans. Nothing wrong with a bit of cheese. I actually really like TSL_Rain for example. But you won't become MVP level doing that every game. On that topic I just don't see a Protoss player who consistantly makes good decisions as much as MVP, Bomber, MMA, Nestea or Losira. Part of the Protoss problem is definitely the lack of talented Sc2 players picking Protoss, even if they are underpowered right now (especially PvT, much less so PvZ). Herp, if the race is underpowered and has design issues then there aren't always good decisions to make to respond to a situation. Lol...this. Seriously wanna explain to me the massive coincidence of no talented people picking Protoss? That is such a stupid argument. Of course the players don't look good while they're playing a shit race... Koreans are 99% of good players. Protoss has never been popular in Korea including Brood War. Already refuted that, and I don't see a link to statistics in your post. Also, lack of popularity doesn't translate to not a single protoss player in the world able to beat consistenly high end Code S zerg or terrans in a BO series. Wait what about stats. If I didn't mess it up horribly like I think I did (somehow fucked up the quote really bad....), basically what I am trying to say is it is way to soon to say imbalance, and that Protoss needs an innovative player to come and show us how it is done. Just forget that quote i said because it was an accident T_T
Really tired of this...well it's not even an argument it's basically just wait and see. Why bother coming in a discussion if you preemptively have decided that the discussion is pointless at this point in time.
Can't wait till the novelty of these Code A Protoss wear off when you realize they won't make it past the up and downs. Baffling how all respect for MC(the only guy who has innovated or accomplished anything as a Protoss in Korea)is gone to make room for people like Hero and JYP, who, while are good vs zerg, frankly will never make it to Code S with their TvP the way it is.
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On September 21 2011 11:59 sitromit wrote:Show nested quote +On September 21 2011 10:28 tuho12345 wrote:On September 21 2011 10:25 Alpino wrote:On September 21 2011 10:23 oogieogie wrote:On September 21 2011 10:21 Malstriks wrote:
that was so good, i don't even know how losira knew that there were dt's on the way, his spore/spine crawlers were perfectly timed too How can the P get back in this game? DTs The zerg just knew that so he put down a evo chamber, no way he would get lair, and then just build some spores/spines to prepare. Could the P have used a huge gateway army and just killed the gold or something because idk if that would even work since Z could build so many units. I don't think a Zerg of Losira's level would lose to a huge gateway army with that opening unless P's control was like beyond stellar. At least this map is horrid for zerg vs T so it evens out ^^. Protoss only has 2 options in early game is stargate or dt. So eitherway it's just so easy to blindly put down 1-2 sporecrawlers. Not hurt at all right? That's the problem with protoss early harassment right now. And what options does Zerg have for harass when Protoss puts down a forge and 1-2 cannons in the early game, besides all-ining?
You know 9 pools is pretty surprisingly effective. Also Roaches/lings to force Protoss thrown down a wall of cannons too. Mass lings in early game so Toss will get a hard time to expand while 3 gates expand cuz on the big wide open map you need sentries to FF, but losing too much sentries might harm protoss later on too. And you know what to do while Toss FFE? Take the fast third obviously? Wtf are you? newbie?
Please. Zerg and Terran are the strongest in early game, even terran could 11/11 raxes to pressure Zerg while expanding but Toss has nothing to pressure Zerg like that.
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