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7pool drones all in from kyrix again? 
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On September 07 2011 19:48 Dommk wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:45 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:43 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:39 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. 40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means. He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes. Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain Yeah but your also kind of implying that it would be better to try and compete with zerg in a macro sense. Much better to just go fucking kill him when he has no units. Ultra fast 3rd? Yeah might as well give up on a macro game as any race. Better to just go end the game. Crossing your fingers and hoping you can get a Pylon outside a Zerg's base isn't exactly what I had in mind when I think the terms "just go fucking kill him" Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:45 Heavenly wrote:On September 07 2011 19:43 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:39 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. 40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means. He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes. Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain It was 37 probes, 12 zealots, and 3 voidrays to something like 55 drones, some queens, and like 4 zerglings. For Kyrix to beat that army he would have to have much fewer drones than that, in which case MC wouldn't be as far behind as he seemed due to Kyrix's extreme greed. Or if he had something scouting the outside of his base, the Pylon would have been denied and the Zealots would have been forced to Warpin further down the map, buying Kyrix enough time to produce whatever he needs to defend. Queens + Larva + 3 Hatches means that the Zerg can hit 70 Drones as soon as that all-in fails and MC is shit out of luck :|
Why the f are you assuming that if the pylon/push/tech of MC went scouted he would have gone through with it? Who do you think you're talking about? Crossing his fingers? Seriously?
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On September 07 2011 19:54 Mike15xp wrote:
beats losira loses to check ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ its was bel shir beach but seriously? -.-
Here is the secret:
Moletrap says that Jjakji is getting outclassed by Losira: Jjakji wins.
Moletrap calls Check horrible in ZvT: Check wins.
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Bad game from jjakji, on bel'shir you have to wall the left entrance of your nat (when you're bottom), then expand to the gold with a line a turret/tanks from the nat to the gold. Exactly how qxc played it, and he was immune to counter attacks. Don't know why he didn't do that, it should be standard on those new zergmaps (dual sight and belshir)
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On September 07 2011 19:53 Itsmedudeman wrote:
if jjakji split his marines he could've won...
ye but he was doing something else, happens 
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On September 07 2011 19:54 usethis2 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:30 marttorn wrote:
This is what I love about toss like MC HerO and Naniwa: They want to WIN. Not to always entertain the fans by only doing macro games, rather they're abusive and will do an allin if they have to or if they get the chance and they decide that they can win. I assume then you're supportive of 1/1/1 as well as BitByBit. I do, too.
And MVP against July
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On September 07 2011 19:55 MrCon wrote:
Bad game from jjakji, on bel'shir you have to wall the left entrance of your nat (when you're bottom), then expand to the gold with a line a turret/tanks from the nat to the gold. Exactly how qxc played it, and he was immune from counter attacks. Don't know why he didn't do that, it should be standard on those new zergmaps (dual sight and belshir)
agree aggressive 2-base doesn't really work on belshir
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On September 07 2011 19:55 MrCon wrote:
Bad game from jjakji, on bel'shir you have to wall the left entrance of your nat (when you're bottom), then expand to the gold with a line a turret/tanks from the nat to the gold. Exactly how qxc played it, and he was immune from counter attacks. Don't know why he didn't do that, it should be standard on those new zergmaps (dual sight and belshir)
yea, jjakji threw that game away.
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On September 07 2011 19:55 MrCon wrote:
Bad game from jjakji, on bel'shir you have to wall the left entrance of your nat (when you're bottom), then expand to the gold with a line a turret/tanks from the nat to the gold. Exactly how qxc played it, and he was immune from counter attacks. Don't know why he didn't do that, it should be standard on those new zergmaps (dual sight and belshir)
Jjakj had the game at 2 points anyway, he just blew it.
And people here are really blaming the map lol.
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FE for Losira
14g14p for Kyrix
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Your right DOA the smell of new computer parts is awesome.
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losira feeling a bit gambly going 16 pool after hatch and gas without drone scout
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Hell yeah, Jjakji lost! Gives MC a better chance.
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Go Kyrix! Give MC a better chance of getting Code S!
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calling it now if MC goes to code A hes coming to next MLg
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On September 07 2011 19:55 NewteN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 07 2011 19:48 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:45 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:43 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:39 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. 40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means. He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes. Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain Yeah but your also kind of implying that it would be better to try and compete with zerg in a macro sense. Much better to just go fucking kill him when he has no units. Ultra fast 3rd? Yeah might as well give up on a macro game as any race. Better to just go end the game. Crossing your fingers and hoping you can get a Pylon outside a Zerg's base isn't exactly what I had in mind when I think the terms "just go fucking kill him" On September 07 2011 19:45 Heavenly wrote:On September 07 2011 19:43 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:39 Medrea wrote:On September 07 2011 19:37 Dommk wrote:On September 07 2011 19:30 NewteN wrote:On September 07 2011 19:23 ragnorr wrote:On September 07 2011 19:22 NewteN wrote:
So tired of this 'all-in' term. MC on two bases and pulled no probes. WTF he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost). All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs??? No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in. That was all-in as all-in gets. Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank. If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there. Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas. Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half. 40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means. He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes. Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain It was 37 probes, 12 zealots, and 3 voidrays to something like 55 drones, some queens, and like 4 zerglings. For Kyrix to beat that army he would have to have much fewer drones than that, in which case MC wouldn't be as far behind as he seemed due to Kyrix's extreme greed. Or if he had something scouting the outside of his base, the Pylon would have been denied and the Zealots would have been forced to Warpin further down the map, buying Kyrix enough time to produce whatever he needs to defend. Queens + Larva + 3 Hatches means that the Zerg can hit 70 Drones as soon as that all-in fails and MC is shit out of luck :| Why the f are you assuming that if the pylon/push/tech of MC went scouted he would have gone through with it? Who do you think you're talking about? Crossing his fingers? Seriously?
He already cut the probes and put 6 gates down, I haven't seen a protoss not commit after that much commitment to a strategy. That was planned out to be all-in, hence crossing fingers and hoping he executes perfectly.
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check and losira going through!?!?! this is ...madness(*bait bait*)
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Wow this win by Check totaly complicates and open this group for all possibilities, every game from now on will count hard. God why is this not BO3 
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