he cut probes at 34, had no tech and 6 gates. Hes all in(if it dint work, he would have lost).
All in is a term that dont require you to pull workers, but a tactic that if you lose the attack, you lose the game

It's retarded is what it is. This is MC, not some bronze leaguer who's somehow going to not do enough damage with 11 +1 zealots, a sentry for ramp and 3-4 VRs for him to outright lose the game if it doesn't win right then and there. MAYBE Kyrix holds, but how the F is he going to win if MC loses 11 lots/sent and probably saves 2-3 VRs???

No tech? He's up to +1 and a Stargate? He's walled. I seriously have no idea why this is cheese or all-in.

That was all-in as all-in gets.

Did you look at the saturation of his natural? He only had two mining per patch on both bases, with no gas taken. On top of that he had 300gas in the bank.

If that attacked failed, if the pylon got scouted, if the Zerg saw it coming then MC would have been done. It may still have done a little damage but there is no chance in hell that he can win from there.

Protoss isn't like Terran, you can't recover from low-econ all-ins as well as Terran can because of how reliant you are on a good econ and gas.

Protoss doesn't really bank resources and 2 on each patch is optimal as the third only mines half.

40 probes 10mins into the game is not optimal by any means.

He was banking gas because he was building nothing but Zealots. Though at the end he made some sentry warp-ins and burned it all

Regardless it was an all-in. 40 Probes just doesn't cut it considering in the next few minutes you have to rebuild an army AND Tech AND build another 20~ Probes.

Chronoboost probes for the first few minutes your mineral spending increases as you are producing probes at a faster rate, it takes a minute or two before the Probes kick in and pay themselves off, unlike Mules which are almost instant gain

Yeah but your also kind of implying that it would be better to try and compete with zerg in a macro sense. Much better to just go fucking kill him when he has no units. Ultra fast 3rd? Yeah might as well give up on a macro game as any race. Better to just go end the game.

Or tech and secure your 3rd base and get decent upgrades and a deathball. Na nevermind he should do an "aggressive timing attack" (all-in) to finish the game.

And be massively behind because Kyrix made nothing but drones that entire time and teched to hydras extremely fast to deal with any possible pressure beyond colossi which would have taken forever to make in sufficient numbers to attack and move across the map, putting Kyrix in an amazing mid game position.

Yeah, pressure into a 3rd base couldn't of done any damage or force units out of the zerg player. (sorry for the sarcasm) This is more of a problem with going FFE and not having any potential to put pressure on without going horribly all-in.

MC just decided he wanted to end the game after the FFE with an all-in, eventually I think better players will go for more macro oriented builds by feigning an all-in attack and build up to late game. Different people like playing differently though, and his decision in that game wasn't bad...but it was aggressive.

Also, this is over a game old in a LR thread, I'm going to just shush and watch the games.

MC is a better player than you despite how clever you think you are and how much you think you understand the game. If he didn't think it was a good build he wouldn't have revealed it when he had a risk of falling down into Code B. It's always silly arguing with the keyboard warriors who try and say what the "better payers" would do. How would he have feigned an all in, exactly? Since Kyrix didn't even bother scouting and just did what he wanted to under the assumption that he would be massively ahead if MC did choose to play a macro game (which he almost always does nowadays)? Show a ton of zealots and voidrays in the middle of the map and have the possibility of all those units being picked off and it being insta-gg because he would never secure a third? If MC played a macro game he was dead because Kyrix was literally as greedy as possible, and now you're acting like he should have played into Kyrix's hands.

But yeah, let's watch the game.

MrCon

France29748 Posts

September 07 2011 10:59 GMT

#1104

On September 07 2011 19:56 clusen wrote:

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Jjakj had the game at 2 points anyway, he just blew it.

And people here are really blaming the map lol.

Yeah this is a good map for ZvT but a good simcity negates this well. I remember qxc, he had 2 rax, a bunker and turret behind and some tanks to wall his left side, this was perfect.

Scrumdidlyumptious

Australia235 Posts

September 07 2011 10:59 GMT

#1105

Kicked in the nads

Samoajoe

Denmark53 Posts

September 07 2011 10:59 GMT

#1106

Tokyo drift, are the kidding me?

hippocritical

Australia465 Posts

September 07 2011 11:00 GMT

#1107

On September 07 2011 19:59 Samoajoe wrote:
Tokyo drift, are the kidding me?

Damn gaijins.

Gary Oak

Canada2381 Posts

September 07 2011 11:00 GMT

#1108

On September 07 2011 19:59 Scrumdidlyumptious wrote:
Kicked in the nads

Doa will forever be associated with body part jokes.

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MenSol[ZerO]

Canada1134 Posts

September 07 2011 11:00 GMT

#1109

are people still talking about the MC game

rofl...

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

September 07 2011 11:00 GMT

#1110

On September 07 2011 19:57 Probe1 wrote:

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4:00
Kyrix expands on 21 while Losira gets a spine crawler at natural and baneling nest

7:25
Banelings waddle into the Kyrix main and kill 5 drones. Kyrix says: My turn.

Probe1

United States17920 Posts

September 07 2011 11:01 GMT

#1111

On September 07 2011 20:00 MenSol[ZerO] wrote:
are people still talking about the MC game

rofl...

that's because we expect MC to play like a champion..

sitromit

7051 Posts

September 07 2011 11:01 GMT

#1112

Losira skipped the Roaches, he's going Mutas...

BuzZoo

Australia1468 Posts

September 07 2011 11:01 GMT

#1113

2 banes kill 2 banes "woah nice job killing some banes from Losira there"

.......................

Tommylew

Wales2717 Posts

September 07 2011 11:01 GMT

#1114

Check vs MC will be a good games, Check needs to win not to have to face Losi for a place in Code S, while MC needs to win so he can get a chance to play another game to try reclaim code S!!!