[GSL] August Up&Down Day 2 - Page 30

On September 07 2011 18:47 roymarthyup wrote:
theres nothing wrong with 2basing against a fast 3rd zerg, but MC did it highly wrong

theres nothing wrong with 2basing against losiras fast third, you just gotta do it right and use the power of collossi to take your third at around the 10 minute mark. im high masters.

On September 07 2011 18:40 Jinsho wrote:
Check will probably win.

On September 07 2011 18:50 Heavenly wrote:


Cool qualifications, MC is two time GSL champion and the highest earning player in the world.

On September 07 2011 18:49 priste wrote:
That's the only thing I don't like about ZvZ.

We never get to see many super long games where both players have tier 3 tech.

I want to see dozens of Ultras hugging each other. ;(

On September 07 2011 18:50 Asha` wrote:


Should have watched Curious vs Lucky =)

ZvZ is right up there with TvT as my favourite mirror nowadays.

On September 07 2011 18:47 roymarthyup wrote:
theres nothing wrong with 2basing against a fast 3rd zerg, but MC did it highly wrong


1) mc made too many pheonix. really its only valuable if someone is holding a gun to the zergs head and telling that zerg to make mutalisks. if the zerg doesnt make mutas over investing into phoenix is bad

2) stargate openings are fine. make 1, maybe 2 void rays, dont produce extra pheonix unless you scout zero spores. scout zero spores = make more pheonix to murder queens. scout some spores = STOP MAKING ANY MORE PHEONIX. go into collossi. mc made too many pheonix.

3) if you ARE doing the 2base thing, you mass collossi, period. mc got mass zealots (bad), mc tried to get some archons (bad waste of 900 gas).

4) when you are doing that 2base thing you gotta mass the fukk out of stalkers and collossi, with some zealots. mc wasted like 1400 gas in getting charge+templars+archons

5) by massing collossi after you have a few you are strong enough to take/hold your third nueral parasite isnt that great of a counter if you hide behind your cannons

6) if you do it right, you take your third at around a time where your main is 65% mined out. now you put 27 drone saturation at your 2 expansions (54 probes) plus put 22 at your main (66 probes). that is perfect saturation for 3base toss

7) your main shouldnt dry up for another few minutes. these few minutes is your time to take the fourth. nueral parasite cannot beat your collossi army if you play defensive and hide collossi behind your cannons

8) after you are on 3 bases, THAT is when you get some templar. with some storms and feedback, your army can move around the map and contest infestors/NP. at this point the protoss now has map control

9) if you sit/camp/mass on 2 bases and use the collossi strength to take your third, by 17 minutes you should be around 200food. with your third you wanna get up to 66 probes. now you have 3 bases, 66 probes, 200food. the zerg may have 6bases , but has cannot make 100 drones to mine all those bases because his army will be too weak. so the zerg at this point is limited by his food cap so he shouldnt make more than 80-90 drones or he is dumb

10) regardless, you now have 200food. if the zerg attacks you then you have defenders advantage and a larger food army because the zerg has 25 extra supply in his drones. with mass collossi you should vaporize his ground army and mass blink stalkers deal with air

11) at this point in the game it should be around 20 minutes. theres no way in hell the zerg can have much brood lords at this point as long as your scouting and reacting properly.



ugh that was a long write up. long story short MC played that very badly.

theres nothing wrong with 2basing against losiras fast third, you just gotta do it right and use the power of collossi to take your third at around the 10 minute mark. im high masters.

On September 07 2011 18:49 priste wrote:
That's the only thing I don't like about ZvZ.

We never get to see many super long games where both players have tier 3 tech.

I want to see dozens of Ultras hugging each other. ;(

On September 07 2011 18:50 Asha` wrote:


Should have watched Curious vs Lucky =)

ZvZ is right up there with TvT as my favourite mirror nowadays.

On September 07 2011 18:52 Montana[TK] wrote:


code a quals?