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kraut
Profile Joined April 2010
374 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1541
Fuoeh
Profile Joined April 2011
Netherlands486 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1542
I want 2 see socke fail. Lmfao at last game. Epic fail.
Skydancer
Profile Joined April 2011
Italy249 Posts
August 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#1543
Yep Socke socks not FF the ramp when he's at home macroing! Basic bronze mistake.
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Jayjay54
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany2296 Posts
August 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#1544
On August 20 2011 21:21 blackwolf wrote:
I think Socke wasted far too many forcefields during the beginning of the game. If he hadnt done so he could have forcefielded the ramp until puma got medivacs up and he would have a great economic lead.


he actually had enough ff with his 6 sentries. he just failed to do so
Things are laid back in Unidenland. And may the road ahead be lid with dreams and tomorrows. Which are lid with dreams. Also.
th3rogue
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany683 Posts
August 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#1545
On August 20 2011 21:21 Hermanus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:18 Legatus wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:11 arQ wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:07 Hermanus wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:05 TelV wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:04 Hermanus wrote:
People are paying for this German stream? Ridiculous.


Why is it ridiculous to do a German Interview with a German Player infront of a German Crowd in Germany? A English Interview would be rather strange imo


Because there is something called a 'stream' too? People are paying to watch a quality stream. It's an international tournament, e-sports is international. It's time for everyone to speak English in this kind of things.


Thank you. What I dont understand is that it is only German events that still does part of the event in a native language. Did you see any swedish interview with jinro/morrow/sjow infront of all the swedish nerds at dreamhack? No you didnt. E-sports is international, how will it grow even more if we dont use the most common language between nations?

It has become better though I have to say that. A couple of years ago you couldnt even find an english stream from ESL events.

Really? What about the 2011 European Battle.net Invitational?


Thats how its should be done here too. Especially for the paying customers.


(the 2011 European Battle.net Invitational had native commentary at the event and for stage presentations)
ESL Community Manager SC2, http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2
Montana[TK]
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
1624 Posts
August 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#1546
On August 20 2011 21:20 Toxi78 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:17 ActionJaxx wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:16 Toxi78 wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:15 mcmartini wrote:
Wow Puma with the decisions making, sick as to break that contain!


this is pure luck, nothing to do with skill or decision making.

Pure luck? So it wasn't Socke's fault for not paying attention or pulling back?


luck [lʌk]
n
1. events that are beyond control and seem subject to chance; fortune

he had no control over socke's forcefield, this is luck.
he clearly made an arrogant move, high masters protosses (the ones i meet in ladder on europe) rarely miss such forcefields, it was simply luck, or socke thinking that his enemy would be more respectful of him.


it wasnt subject to chance, it was subject to Socke's miscontrol, which he expected and got rewarded for
Plexa: "It's not [caster] bashing when its the truth."
Gezuz
Profile Joined November 2010
Sweden306 Posts
August 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#1547
On August 20 2011 21:21 itstheTB wrote:
Man Socke, I was constantly saying
"move back, move back, move back or he's gonna stim and then timepush you".

Shouldn't stay like that with just a few stalkers and sentries, T can easily destroy
you with concussive shells. He could've even pulled a few SCV's if Socke had
more units outside.
Especially as Protoss nowadays, with 1/1/1 T tactics going on you dont
want to loose units early!


He had sentries could have forcefielded forever and ever Socke didnt pay attention andgot punished for it like a silver player if he played correctly then he would have been in a beter position what youre saying is very wrong
Nick!
Profile Joined March 2011
Scotland701 Posts
August 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#1548
On August 20 2011 21:19 DaCruise wrote:
These koreans just dont make mistakes. Its crazy how solid they play.


He made the first mistake, puma lost a marine to a zealot?
Yaotzin
Profile Joined August 2010
South Africa4280 Posts
August 20 2011 12:23 GMT
#1549
On August 20 2011 21:23 Jayjay54 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:21 blackwolf wrote:
I think Socke wasted far too many forcefields during the beginning of the game. If he hadnt done so he could have forcefielded the ramp until puma got medivacs up and he would have a great economic lead.


he actually had enough ff with his 6 sentries. he just failed to do so

He did waste a lot earlier too though. IIRC 3 for a marauder and another 3 for like a marine...
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 20 2011 12:24 GMT
#1550
On August 20 2011 21:21 Hardigan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:17 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:16 Toxi78 wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:15 mcmartini wrote:
Wow Puma with the decisions making, sick as to break that contain!


this is pure luck, nothing to do with skill or decision making.


Gonna have to agree with this. What PuMa did was essentially the same thing as stimming up a Toss's ramp and hoping he doesn't forcefield in time. Ideally, Socke would have cut off a couple of Puma's units and whittled him down a bit, while Puma takes damage from the stim.

it's definitly not the same thing. when you are on the high ground, you have more vision and have more reaction time. But controlling from the down the ramp you have maybe less then 0.25 secends.
It was more risky play by Socke than Puma


What I meant was that it's the same dynamic regarding the ramp and cutting off units, but, obviously, harder for a FF contain than for FF defense.
DaCruise
Profile Joined July 2010
Denmark2457 Posts
August 20 2011 12:24 GMT
#1551
On August 20 2011 21:21 JayJay_90 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:19 DaCruise wrote:
These koreans just dont make mistakes. Its crazy how solid they play.

Tbh i think stimming down that ramp was a mistake. I don't think Socke is screwing up that contain so badly very often. Puma got pretty lucky not to lose half of his army right there.


If his army was split in half it would have been a mistake but it didnt.
Spicy Pepper
Profile Joined December 2009
United States632 Posts
August 20 2011 12:24 GMT
#1552
On August 20 2011 21:23 Yaotzin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:23 Jayjay54 wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:21 blackwolf wrote:
I think Socke wasted far too many forcefields during the beginning of the game. If he hadnt done so he could have forcefielded the ramp until puma got medivacs up and he would have a great economic lead.


he actually had enough ff with his 6 sentries. he just failed to do so

He did waste a lot earlier too though. IIRC 3 for a marauder and another 3 for like a marine...

I think that was worth it, but when he pushed up the ramp, he threw down 4 ff's behind the supply depots.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#1553
On August 20 2011 21:23 Montana[TK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:20 Toxi78 wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:17 ActionJaxx wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:16 Toxi78 wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:15 mcmartini wrote:
Wow Puma with the decisions making, sick as to break that contain!


this is pure luck, nothing to do with skill or decision making.

Pure luck? So it wasn't Socke's fault for not paying attention or pulling back?


luck [lʌk]
n
1. events that are beyond control and seem subject to chance; fortune

he had no control over socke's forcefield, this is luck.
he clearly made an arrogant move, high masters protosses (the ones i meet in ladder on europe) rarely miss such forcefields, it was simply luck, or socke thinking that his enemy would be more respectful of him.


it wasnt subject to chance, it was subject to Socke's miscontrol, which he expected and got rewarded for

Stimming down the ramp with sentries waiting for you is always a gamble, but when it works, it's almost always game-ending. Puma made his own luck there.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Maenander
Profile Joined November 2002
Germany4927 Posts
August 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#1554
On August 20 2011 21:22 Fuoeh wrote:
I want 2 see socke fail. Lmfao at last game. Epic fail.

Just stop trolling.
ZenithM
Profile Joined February 2011
France15952 Posts
August 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#1555
"He would have carriers, or at least a bunch of gateway units."

Rotterdam <3.
KroN
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany438 Posts
August 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#1556
On August 20 2011 21:22 kraut wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gUeeIjyI7QQ


hahaha :D
Hermanus
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
August 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#1557
On August 20 2011 21:23 th3rogue wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:21 Hermanus wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:18 Legatus wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:11 arQ wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:07 Hermanus wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:05 TelV wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:04 Hermanus wrote:
People are paying for this German stream? Ridiculous.


Why is it ridiculous to do a German Interview with a German Player infront of a German Crowd in Germany? A English Interview would be rather strange imo


Because there is something called a 'stream' too? People are paying to watch a quality stream. It's an international tournament, e-sports is international. It's time for everyone to speak English in this kind of things.


Thank you. What I dont understand is that it is only German events that still does part of the event in a native language. Did you see any swedish interview with jinro/morrow/sjow infront of all the swedish nerds at dreamhack? No you didnt. E-sports is international, how will it grow even more if we dont use the most common language between nations?

It has become better though I have to say that. A couple of years ago you couldnt even find an english stream from ESL events.

Really? What about the 2011 European Battle.net Invitational?


Thats how its should be done here too. Especially for the paying customers.


(the 2011 European Battle.net Invitational had native commentary at the event and for stage presentations)


Yes, WITH translation. Unlike here.
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
August 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#1558

On August 20 2011 21:21 itstheTB wrote:
Man Socke, I was constantly saying
"move back, move back, move back or he's gonna stim and then timepush you".

Shouldn't stay like that with just a few stalkers and sentries, T can easily destroy
you with concussive shells. He could've even pulled a few SCV's if Socke had
more units outside.
Especially as Protoss nowadays, with 1/1/1 T tactics going on you dont
want to loose units early!


You're right at a lower level, but Socke could just preemptive ff, put pylons near the puma's base to scout drops and snipe them. This kind of contain, if well made are great.
BlitzerSC
Profile Joined May 2011
Italy8800 Posts
August 20 2011 12:25 GMT
#1559
With 5 sentries you can FF a choke FOREVER if you have a nice timing with the forcefield.
Vapaach
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland994 Posts
August 20 2011 12:26 GMT
#1560
I am pretty sure Socke made the robo because he saw the bunker. It usually indicates starport tech.
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