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Doko
Profile Joined May 2010
Argentina1737 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1521
Koreans just don't give a fuck and get all up in your face.
bgx
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland6595 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1522
On August 20 2011 21:20 Jinivus wrote:
MC interview ask him what he thinks about the game!

MC: mhm mhm, FOREIGNERS SUCK KEKEEK
MC: IdrA you are next! (throat slash)
Stork[gm]
Xanatoss
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany539 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1523
Rotterdam epic troll :D
The chair slowly turns around. You see his face, but it can't be. He's not supposed to be here. Not him. Not a Protoss. Not THAT Protoss. MC says, "Hi Greg, long time no see." You back slowly out of the booth. But you can't. It's already forcefielded.
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1524
Rotterdam is so awesome :D gotta love this guy
http://twitter.com/jhNz
JayJay_90
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany1632 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1525
On August 20 2011 21:19 DaCruise wrote:
These koreans just dont make mistakes. Its crazy how solid they play.

Tbh i think stimming down that ramp was a mistake. I don't think Socke is screwing up that contain so badly very often. Puma got pretty lucky not to lose half of his army right there.
Exarl25
Profile Joined November 2010
1887 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1526
On August 20 2011 21:19 DaCruise wrote:
These koreans just dont make mistakes. Its crazy how solid they play.


What? Puma made a mistake by choosing the opening he did. If Socke had been paying attention and got the FF down in time Puma would have been put even further behind than he already was.
th3rogue
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany683 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1527
On August 20 2011 21:18 Legatus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:11 arQ wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:07 Hermanus wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:05 TelV wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:04 Hermanus wrote:
People are paying for this German stream? Ridiculous.


Why is it ridiculous to do a German Interview with a German Player infront of a German Crowd in Germany? A English Interview would be rather strange imo


Because there is something called a 'stream' too? People are paying to watch a quality stream. It's an international tournament, e-sports is international. It's time for everyone to speak English in this kind of things.


Thank you. What I dont understand is that it is only German events that still does part of the event in a native language. Did you see any swedish interview with jinro/morrow/sjow infront of all the swedish nerds at dreamhack? No you didnt. E-sports is international, how will it grow even more if we dont use the most common language between nations?

It has become better though I have to say that. A couple of years ago you couldnt even find an english stream from ESL events.

Really? What about the 2011 European Battle.net Invitational?


Germany is very different to Sweden, Dreamhack is very different to gamescom

And please do not post misinformation, international ESL events have always had English commentary
ESL Community Manager SC2, http://www.esl.eu/eu/sc2
morbvs
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany358 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1528
On August 20 2011 21:20 Jimmy Raynor wrote:
Will the showmatch with White-Ra be shown on the main stage stream?


It's going to be at the blizzard booth, not the esl one afaik. So probably no stream at all?
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1529
On August 20 2011 21:20 Montana[TK] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:17 HolyArrow wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:16 Toxi78 wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:15 mcmartini wrote:
Wow Puma with the decisions making, sick as to break that contain!


this is pure luck, nothing to do with skill or decision making.


Gonna have to agree with this. What PuMa did was essentially the same thing as stimming up a Toss's ramp and hoping he doesn't forcefield in time. Ideally, Socke would have cut off a couple of Puma's units and whittled him down a bit, while Puma takes damage from the stim.


its not essentially the same, its much more difficult to contain compared to defend with FF, PuMa would've never tried that stim against MC or HuK, he knew Socke tends to be a bit sloppy from yesterday's games against Kas and took a calculated risk that gave him the win.


Well, I just meant it's the same concept. You're trying to traverse a ramp and can be easily stopped by a Protoss that reacts quickly enough, but if he doesn't, you're in a great position. I agree that it's more difficult to contain since the place you need to pay attention to is on the other side of the map.
Hermanus
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands32 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1530
On August 20 2011 21:18 Legatus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:11 arQ wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:07 Hermanus wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:05 TelV wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:04 Hermanus wrote:
People are paying for this German stream? Ridiculous.


Why is it ridiculous to do a German Interview with a German Player infront of a German Crowd in Germany? A English Interview would be rather strange imo


Because there is something called a 'stream' too? People are paying to watch a quality stream. It's an international tournament, e-sports is international. It's time for everyone to speak English in this kind of things.


Thank you. What I dont understand is that it is only German events that still does part of the event in a native language. Did you see any swedish interview with jinro/morrow/sjow infront of all the swedish nerds at dreamhack? No you didnt. E-sports is international, how will it grow even more if we dont use the most common language between nations?

It has become better though I have to say that. A couple of years ago you couldnt even find an english stream from ESL events.

Really? What about the 2011 European Battle.net Invitational?


Thats how its should be done here too. Especially for the paying customers.
Hardigan
Profile Joined June 2011
Switzerland1297 Posts
August 20 2011 12:21 GMT
#1531
On August 20 2011 21:17 HolyArrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:16 Toxi78 wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:15 mcmartini wrote:
Wow Puma with the decisions making, sick as to break that contain!


this is pure luck, nothing to do with skill or decision making.


Gonna have to agree with this. What PuMa did was essentially the same thing as stimming up a Toss's ramp and hoping he doesn't forcefield in time. Ideally, Socke would have cut off a couple of Puma's units and whittled him down a bit, while Puma takes damage from the stim.

it's definitly not the same thing. when you are on the high ground, you have more vision and have more reaction time. But controlling from the down the ramp you have maybe less then 0.25 secends.
It was more risky play by Socke than Puma
JKira
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Canada1002 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1532
On August 20 2011 21:18 JonnyLaw wrote:
It wasn't luck, it was bad play by socke. Had he seen it and forcefielded on the ramp, puma loses half the army and potentially the game.


Yea, I wouldn't exactly call it luck, cause you're not gonna say Socke got unlucky for not ff'ing right.
TheBanana
Profile Joined December 2010
Norway2183 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1533
He should have just pre-ff'ed the ramp and kept doing that, and he wouldn't really need to risk anything by looking away.
If you're not getting better faster than everybody else, you're getting worse.
Slakter
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden1947 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1534
On August 20 2011 21:20 Toxi78 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 20 2011 21:17 ActionJaxx wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:16 Toxi78 wrote:
On August 20 2011 21:15 mcmartini wrote:
Wow Puma with the decisions making, sick as to break that contain!


this is pure luck, nothing to do with skill or decision making.

Pure luck? So it wasn't Socke's fault for not paying attention or pulling back?


luck [lʌk]
n
1. events that are beyond control and seem subject to chance; fortune

he had no control over socke's forcefield, this is luck.
he clearly made an arrogant move, high masters protosses (the ones i meet in ladder on europe) rarely miss such forcefields, it was simply luck, or socke thinking that his enemy would be more respectful of him.

Well with that logic pretty much everything in starcraft is luck. You have to take risks sometimes, sometimes it works out, mostly it wont but if you never do it you will never be great and if you do it all the time you will always be really bad.
Protoss, can't live with em', can't kill em'.
Gevna
Profile Joined August 2010
France2332 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1535
Stop saying puma outclassed Socke, if socke reacted well, it would have been a big mistake from Puma to stim, lose some army in a ff choke.

Micket
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom2163 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1536
If you don't have the multitask to contain the Terran like that, don't do that strategy. every other click should be on teh army with the f on the ramp in case of a stim down. Look at a fpvod of Bisu keeping his probe alive in PvZ and you will know the attention needed.
OnlineHero
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark647 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1537
On August 20 2011 21:19 Jayjay54 wrote:
it's incredibly hard to react within like 1.5 secs. he stmimed before running down. it's sooo tough to forcefield on time. it's a bad mistake but a forced one.


If you do this contain and you need to macro at home, you FF that ramp before you look away. It's 1 FF, but he was too greedy.
<3
Jinsho
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom3101 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1538
That was a coin flip pretty much, Socke was just doing some macro at his base, sending probes over, so he missed the stim + go which was pretty risky.

It's not a big deal. Stop throwing "outplayed" and "arrogant" around.
Muesli_
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany83 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1539
On August 20 2011 21:21 Nightkaira wrote:
LoL, Rotti trolling Mr Bitter lol ....

actually he doesnt. he only thing he said was "maybe lets talk a little german for our german crowd here" and "ja" simply means "yes"
Fig
Profile Joined March 2010
United States1324 Posts
August 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#1540
It was Socke's fault for not FF when macroing if he knew he couldnt respond quickly enough.

However, that was an excellent example of the fragility of toss at the highest level.
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