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Lmui
Canada6221 Posts
At 10 (+2 vs light) A banshee still kills a queen 1v1 but the banshee is left with 23 hp as opposed to having 41 left since the queen gets off 2 more shots before dying. It would minorly decrease the effectiveness of banshees against zerg, be essentially the same in early game TvT and make the all-in less powerful. I would not nerf the banshee any further than that. | ||
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:38 susySquark wrote: Thats what the zealots are for! (killing/tanking marines, that is) Please tell me that carrier rushing isn't the only thing P's can think of against 1/1/1. | ||
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Highways
Australia6105 Posts
I'm assuming it's the marine, tank, banshee and scv all-in? | ||
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Yang Wenli
United States2283 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:32 Belisarius wrote: Since we're theory-crafting, I personally wouldn't mind seeing PDD go more dark swarm than it. If it did block all (or at least more) ranged attacks like old-school DS, you could perhaps put it on fusion core or armory and reduce the aoe a little to make it late game. I'm sure that would completely break the whole damn game (TvT for one), but still. Regardless I feel like PDD doesn't get used enough for how awesome a spell it is. This is literally the one thing people do with it. If blizz does decide to nerf the 1-1-1 by nerfing the PDD, it'd be nice if they did it in a way that didn't render the spell completely obsolete. However, as a protoss, I would probably have to change my pants if they did give stalkers instant shot. EDIT: Also yes, I actually don't think a PDD nerf would solve this. The push is scary as hell even when it doesn't come with any ravens at all. With or without a PDD, its another variation of the 1-1-1 build that Protoss is going to have to account for to defend the all-in. In my opinion if your going to do a 1-1-1 all in build there should be just one build to rule them all with minimal variations that the Protoss should be able to counter without exerting godly perfection defense which currently relies a bit of luck and mess up from your opponent. | ||
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Sabu113
United States11075 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:36 susySquark wrote: Ghost - HT Raven - ....Mothership?!?! Clearly the counter is 1 base mothership to vortex the tanks. ... actually. How fast can you get carriers out? Would Carrier+zealot work? I uhm... dont even know what I'm saying anymore. Carriers take a ridiculous amount of time. Bliz kinda overdid the whole Hey you should use chronoboost thing with them. edit: lol a carrier metagame would be pretty sweet. | ||
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StaplerPhone
United States813 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:40 Highways wrote: What is this 111 everyone is talking about? I'm assuming it's the marine, tank, banshee and scv all-in? Yep, give or take a raven and in Yoda's case a CC >.> | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
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Asha
United Kingdom38257 Posts
Pissed off that sC lost to Taeja of all people, and double annoyed to see that Yoda apparently 1-1-1'd Tassadar out? Poor guy's been the victim of so many of them since the up and down matches. Glad Ganzi smashed fruitdealer though | ||
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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:41 StaplerPhone wrote: Yep, give or take a raven and in Yoda's case a CC >.> I laughed pretty hard at this. What the hell was with the that CC? | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
Poor Tassadar if so, held out of code S by it, and now again. Also JYP nice! Didn't expect, can someone give me a rundown of those games? (Tassadar's & JYP's) | ||
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susySquark
United States1692 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:42 Itsmedudeman wrote: I'd prefer they just nerf the all-in rather than any specific unit because as I see it ravens are still underused, and banshees are in a good place in all matchups outside this one all in. How can you nerf a push without nerfing the units in the push? On August 11 2011 17:44 Fyzar wrote: I didn't catch today's games. I guess YoDa 1/1/1'd Tassadar twice? Poor Tassadar if so, held out of code S by it, and now again. Also JYP nice! Didn't expect, can someone give me a rundown of those games? (Tassadar's & JYP's) Tassadar won the first game with clearly superior play. Yoda 1-1-1's twice, with LOTS of mistakes. Tassadar makes a couple small mistakes, and loses twice. | ||
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SxYSpAz
United States1451 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:42 Itsmedudeman wrote: I'd prefer they just nerf the all-in rather than any specific unit because as I see it ravens are still underused, and banshees are in a good place in all matchups outside this one all in. agreed, everytime the computer detects a player using this unit comp, their computer should just shut off | ||
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Mike15xp
United States595 Posts
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:36 susySquark wrote: Ghost - HT Raven - ....Mothership?!?! Clearly the counter is 1 base mothership to vortex the tanks. ... actually. How fast can you get carriers out? Would Carrier+zealot work? I uhm... dont even know what I'm saying anymore. Well, actually if you are blind countering like Tassadar, might as well try that. Mothership, carrier zelot might do something  | ||
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Fyzar
Netherlands8010 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:44 susySquark wrote: How can you nerf a push without nerfing the units in the push? Tassadar won the first game with clearly superior play. Yoda 1-1-1's twice, with LOTS of mistakes. Tassadar makes a couple small mistakes, and loses twice. Ffs ;/. Too bad for Tassadar, he's unlucky as hell ;s. What about JYP v DRG? | ||
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Itsmedudeman
United States19229 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:44 susySquark wrote: How can you nerf a push without nerfing the units in the push? Tassadar won the first game with clearly superior play. Yoda 1-1-1's twice, with LOTS of mistakes. Tassadar makes a couple small mistakes, and loses twice. by making them better at a later time or compensate in another way make pdd researchable through armory, lower cost of the raven don't really see a problem with that | ||
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bokeevboke
Singapore1674 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:32 roymarthyup wrote: i believe i have a build that is good at countering the 1/1/1 and have been using it the last 2weeks , and any protoss out there that thinks they are good enough at executing a terran 1/1/1 may feel free to PM me and you can battle me and see if your 1/1/1 can beat me or if any tosses out there have a good terran friend to fight me, you can tell him to pm me and i can create a replay with us fighting the build is a zero sentry build that gets 1 very fast voidray, 3-4 stalkers, and a fast robo (at about 5:30) because it cut sentrys it has enough gas to do all of this. the build ONLY gets 1 voidray, to scout, since marines without stim cannot catch a voidray. and i bring my stalkers with the voidray during the scouting mission so if he has a viking i can save the vray and know he got a super fast starport and is going 1/1/1 heres the build 9pylon (scout with probe) 2 chronoboosts on nexus 14gate 15gas 16pylon 17gas chronoboost on nexus 19cyber make stargate+stalker immediately after cyber is done. this allows the terran to scout the stargate, but guess what, who cares. i dont give a damn. let him scout it, he can stop doing a 1/1/1 if he scouts it and i feel at this point i can react properly to whatever he does i poke his ramp with my first stalkers to see if he is fast expanding. if he is fast expanding i get a expansion too. because im not getting sentrys i go for a fast collossi if i scout plenty barracks. i get ONLY 1 voidray out of the stargate for nothing other than scouting purposes. the voidray in total costs 400/300, however since marines without stim cannot catch it i normally can kill 1 marine or scv or a depot at the 6 minute mark then run away and recharge shields which if you reduce that from the cost of the voidray that means the real cost of the voidray is like 300/300, and for its cost it has some power in combat but most importantly the voidray provides a full complete scout at the 6 minute mark (it reaches the terran base at 6 minutes) because you get it so fast the voidray comes out at around 5:30 and i scout with it before the terran can have stim the voidray+stalkers beats any fast rush the terran could do, and normally after 4-5 stalkers i stop and make mostly immortal+zealot and go for a fast collossi. the fast 2 gasses and no sentries gives lots of gas for a fast tech You will simply die to well-executed 3 rax (double tech lab + reactor) timing attack. Or fall behind. | ||
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mcc
Czech Republic4646 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:44 susySquark wrote: How can you nerf a push without nerfing the units in the push? Tassadar won the first game with clearly superior play. Yoda 1-1-1's twice, with LOTS of mistakes. Tassadar makes a couple small mistakes, and loses twice. In the second game he made more than small mistakes in engagements, but I doubt not making those particular ones would save him. | ||
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sleepingdog
Austria6145 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:46 Mike15xp wrote: bitbybit should return to sc2 ... i feel like this is his thing He wouldn't win any TvT though and he had to play a ton of it...  | ||
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Mike15xp
United States595 Posts
On August 11 2011 17:46 mcc wrote: Well, actually if you are blind countering like Tassadar, might as well try that. Mothership, carrier zelot might do something meh too easy to scout xD fleet beacon can only mean one thing then they star making vikings and poop  | ||
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