Destiny v Korea - Showmatch Series - Page 45

On August 22 2011 10:29 Makotoo wrote:


It's funny how you ignored my entire post and post shit when you can't argue back

On August 22 2011 09:10 PirateEd wrote:


Rain is a former code s player. He also posted very good results at the last MLG. What has Destiny done? People aren't blind calling out "Destiny fanboy." It's those who say "OMG Destiny's build is so good, protoss can't counter it" or "Destiny has top 3 zerg control" only because Destiny has said it on his stream. Destiny says this stuff and backs it up by winning a little more than 50% of his games on the NA ladder.

I'm not anti Destiny or anything, he's entertaining and he has a fun build to watch but he's simply not as good as many think. I think it's safe to say that someone is a Destiny fanboy when they are hyping him up to be better than players such as Idra or Ret.

On August 22 2011 10:46 koolaid1990 wrote:

we will see when infestors are nerfed brah

On August 22 2011 22:42 bucckevin wrote:
dont really understand the fanboyism of this one trick pony. i was looking at the vods list and saw 8k viewers haha.

On August 23 2011 00:31 Micket wrote:
Destiny gets hate and is called a 1 trick pony because people think infestors are broken and therefore, with Destiny being the ONLY person that actually uses them for anything but a support caster. Therefore, since Destiny is using this great unit, people assume his wins are attributed purely on the supposed overpoweredness of the infestor, even though it is clear Terrans and Protoss players react terribly to it. Terrans still stim marines forward to try and take out Broodlords. How long will it take them to realise this doesn't work and if it could work, then Zergs were making a useless unit. Terrans still get their siege line broken by burrowed infestors, when simple detection could make it much harder to break. Also, when slow pushing, Terrans don't have their marines split, I mean wtf?

On August 23 2011 00:35 HuKPOWA wrote:


someone doesn't watch top tier games <3

On August 23 2011 03:03 Sovern wrote:
The problem is that terran doesn't have a true counter to infestors. Ghosts are not a cost efficient answer to infestor play. My reasoning behind that statement is that emp does not take away all of the infestors energy with just one emp. It takes 2 emps, and by that point either your ghosts will be fungaled to death or killed by other units at the front line.

Also, by the time that you scout the zerg going infestors by the time that you get a ghost academy and a few ghosts up chances are that zerg will be on hive tech and be on 4 bases so even if your gas intensive ghosts due manage to get off clutch emps the zerg player can just let their infestors regain energy. In my opinion the infestor energy upgrade needs to be removed and ghosts emp should remove all energy with one emp for ghosts to be an effective counter vs infestors..

On August 23 2011 01:42 FLuE wrote:
I think what bothers me is that when it comes to caster units, I don't see them as abuse, or being a one trick pony.

For example, I remember back in the SC days I use to do this build where I could pump out Hydras at a ridiculous rate off 1 base and just A-move to win games. That is being a one trick pony.

The thing with infestors, or templars, or ghosts, is that even if you are massing them and "abusing" them in quantity, they take way more skill to handle because they are squishy units that have to be microed and cared for. I find that anyone that is good with caster units, even if to the point of "abuse" are still showing a level of skill beyond your typical base micro.

So yes, right now Destiny is the player really using the infestor to their full potential. But why shouldn't he? It doesn't mean he couldn't micro other units, or do well. I don't understand if he has a style that works and wins games why should he not use that style? Isn't the point to win games? And again, if it was for example a style where he just made 200/200 roach armies and attacked I'd say, "Yeah I'm not sure what skill level is there.." But we are talking about great micro with a unit that is hard to manage. Infestors are these fat little turd balls that are super easy to target, and die fast and if it was so easy to just mass infestors and abuse them everyone would do it. I have started to use infestors much more as well, but man they are a tough unit and one little screw up and you lose 3-4 of them and you are screwed.

So, tl;dr - I give credit to people who really use casting units well even if they are in a mass way. Players that are good with caster units will be good at this game because it shows a level of micro skill and mechanics that are beyond what your typical player tends to be able to do. It is no different then good FF or ghost play.

On August 23 2011 03:03 Sovern wrote:
Ghosts are not a cost efficient answer to infestor play. .

On August 23 2011 03:13 Micket wrote:

That would make TvP worse and we all know the general consensus on that matchup. Opening infestors delays the 3rd for a very long time. If zerg gets to hive tech and 4 bases on a good number of drones then Zerg has won. Did you watch skit play? He was very good against that opening, dropping the far away bases whilst slow pushing and taking bases of his own. Planetaries made ling useless and he choked destiny out. Destiny never got above 60 drones, was stretched too thin and thus never had enough economy to sustain infestor production. Sometimes you can't look at units in a nutshell and say they are unbeatable. Realise that infestors are slow immobile units that cannot pressure Terran. There is nothing to stop Terran taking more expos, dropping all over the place, making a godly amount of ghosts (gas is never in high use for Terran).

On August 23 2011 03:49 SafeAsCheese wrote:



You do know a ghost can cloak, run from any angel, and snipe 3 full hp infesters within 3 seconds? (.5 sec snipe cooldown)

A ghost only has to kill a single infester to pay for itself.