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Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
August 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#861
On August 22 2011 10:01 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 09:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:47 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:14 TheSubtleArt wrote:
If Destiny only wins because he abuses infestors then what about Idra? I guess he's a mutalisk abuser? What about MMA? He's a marine / tank abuser? Seriously wtf, it's a unique and fairly interesting approach to the Zerg midgame that few top Zergs are doing. Why does Destiny get put down because of it =/.


Comparing infestors is different that mutalisk or marine/tank. The mutalisk is seen as a perfectly balanced unit, good for harass, but also very fragile. The thing is, was destiny as good as he is now with the recent infestor buff? No, destiny used the infestor buff to his advantage and only uses infestors now. This can be seen as abusing it. The thing about this is, infestors are popularly seen as imba, so blizzard might nerf them. What then? Destiny will have to change his style completely. Right now, marine/tanks/mutas are seen as normal standard units that need no buff or nerf. Thats why using them is not abusing anything, as they are standard to the game. Another example is using reapers when they were SUPER GOOD. Morrow "abused" the use of reapers. Right after, blizzard nerfed them, and morrow changed to zerg lololol

Yes, that was exactly why Morrow switched to Zerg + Show Spoiler +
lolololololol
and yes, Infestors are not fragile + Show Spoiler +
lolololol
. Lets assume infestors are op but Mutas are perfectly balanced, just cause? You make a lot of assumptions here, and your assessment is based entirely on an assumption that unproven to say the least. I don't even know how to argue with this lol. I mean yes, Destiny's style probably wouldn't be as good if infestors were nerfed, just like Idra's style wouldn't be as good if mutas were nerfed. In both scenarios they'd probably have to find a new way to play ZvT that works for them.

Seriously what the fuck are you getting at with this post? I hope you don't take up debating.

Tell me this; Was destiny as nearly as good as he is right now BEFORE the infestor buff?
Tell me this; were protoss THIS helpless against zerg BEFORE the infestor buff?
You can't deny that infestors helped ALOT. And its not like the game was imbalanced BEFORE the infestor buff, zvp and zvt were pretty balanced. And tell me; in what world and when would mutas would EVER be nerfed? Mutas will not be nerfed. There is just no way mutas will be nerfed because then zerg is really really fucked. Infestors are seen as a little imbalanced, so theres actually a high chance blizzard will nerf infestors. This is the reality. You can't deny that infestors will sooner or later be nerfed, and you can't deny that mutas will never be nerfed.
David kim already hinted at an infestor nerf by saying infestor/broodlord is pretty op



wtf are u talking about? i dont understand what you are trying to do.

even without the infestor buff, you would have seeen Destiny's skill increase.

Protoss is not helpless against infestor rofl.

zvp and zvt were not balanced before the infestor buff...if it was BALANCED like you say, then why would Blizzard make game BALANCING patches. God think before you post. Blizzard even explains why they introduced the infestor buff.

Not saying Blizzard will nerf mutas anytime soon, but you make it sound as if the Sun will burn out before it happens. Are you David Kim? Are you DB? Don't make claims that you have no authority over.




PirateEd
Profile Joined June 2011
United States61 Posts
August 22 2011 01:11 GMT
#862
On August 22 2011 10:01 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 09:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:47 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:14 TheSubtleArt wrote:
If Destiny only wins because he abuses infestors then what about Idra? I guess he's a mutalisk abuser? What about MMA? He's a marine / tank abuser? Seriously wtf, it's a unique and fairly interesting approach to the Zerg midgame that few top Zergs are doing. Why does Destiny get put down because of it =/.


Comparing infestors is different that mutalisk or marine/tank. The mutalisk is seen as a perfectly balanced unit, good for harass, but also very fragile. The thing is, was destiny as good as he is now with the recent infestor buff? No, destiny used the infestor buff to his advantage and only uses infestors now. This can be seen as abusing it. The thing about this is, infestors are popularly seen as imba, so blizzard might nerf them. What then? Destiny will have to change his style completely. Right now, marine/tanks/mutas are seen as normal standard units that need no buff or nerf. Thats why using them is not abusing anything, as they are standard to the game. Another example is using reapers when they were SUPER GOOD. Morrow "abused" the use of reapers. Right after, blizzard nerfed them, and morrow changed to zerg lololol

Yes, that was exactly why Morrow switched to Zerg + Show Spoiler +
lolololololol
and yes, Infestors are not fragile + Show Spoiler +
lolololol
. Lets assume infestors are op but Mutas are perfectly balanced, just cause? You make a lot of assumptions here, and your assessment is based entirely on an assumption that unproven to say the least. I don't even know how to argue with this lol. I mean yes, Destiny's style probably wouldn't be as good if infestors were nerfed, just like Idra's style wouldn't be as good if mutas were nerfed. In both scenarios they'd probably have to find a new way to play ZvT that works for them.

Seriously what the fuck are you getting at with this post? I hope you don't take up debating.

Tell me this; Was destiny as nearly as good as he is right now BEFORE the infestor buff?
Tell me this; were protoss THIS helpless against zerg BEFORE the infestor buff?
You can't deny that infestors helped ALOT. And its not like the game was imbalanced BEFORE the infestor buff, zvp and zvt were pretty balanced. And tell me; in what world and when would mutas would EVER be nerfed? Mutas will not be nerfed. There is just no way mutas will be nerfed because then zerg is really really fucked. Infestors are seen as a little imbalanced, so theres actually a high chance blizzard will nerf infestors. This is the reality. You can't deny that infestors will sooner or later be nerfed, and you can't deny that mutas will never be nerfed.
David kim already hinted at an infestor nerf by saying infestor/broodlord is pretty op


I actually thought that Protoss had quite a big advantage over zerg before the buff but that arguments for another day. If mass infestors was truly imbalanced then why isn't every zerg doing it? Mutas may or may not be nerfed in the future as zergs continue to learn and develop the metagame. On the other hand, protoss and terrans may find out how to counter infestors better and all the talks of imbalance will start to fade.
Horse...falcon
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1851 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 01:13:22
August 22 2011 01:12 GMT
#863
So what's the score? I just got here.

:edit: nvm, saw the Ragequit stream
Artosis: "From horsssse....falcon"
BLCabeldank
Profile Joined July 2011
United States99 Posts
August 22 2011 01:12 GMT
#864
On August 22 2011 10:01 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 09:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:47 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:14 TheSubtleArt wrote:
If Destiny only wins because he abuses infestors then what about Idra? I guess he's a mutalisk abuser? What about MMA? He's a marine / tank abuser? Seriously wtf, it's a unique and fairly interesting approach to the Zerg midgame that few top Zergs are doing. Why does Destiny get put down because of it =/.


Comparing infestors is different that mutalisk or marine/tank. The mutalisk is seen as a perfectly balanced unit, good for harass, but also very fragile. The thing is, was destiny as good as he is now with the recent infestor buff? No, destiny used the infestor buff to his advantage and only uses infestors now. This can be seen as abusing it. The thing about this is, infestors are popularly seen as imba, so blizzard might nerf them. What then? Destiny will have to change his style completely. Right now, marine/tanks/mutas are seen as normal standard units that need no buff or nerf. Thats why using them is not abusing anything, as they are standard to the game. Another example is using reapers when they were SUPER GOOD. Morrow "abused" the use of reapers. Right after, blizzard nerfed them, and morrow changed to zerg lololol

Yes, that was exactly why Morrow switched to Zerg + Show Spoiler +
lolololololol
and yes, Infestors are not fragile + Show Spoiler +
lolololol
. Lets assume infestors are op but Mutas are perfectly balanced, just cause? You make a lot of assumptions here, and your assessment is based entirely on an assumption that unproven to say the least. I don't even know how to argue with this lol. I mean yes, Destiny's style probably wouldn't be as good if infestors were nerfed, just like Idra's style wouldn't be as good if mutas were nerfed. In both scenarios they'd probably have to find a new way to play ZvT that works for them.

Seriously what the fuck are you getting at with this post? I hope you don't take up debating.

Tell me this; Was destiny as nearly as good as he is right now BEFORE the infestor buff?
Tell me this; were protoss THIS helpless against zerg BEFORE the infestor buff?
You can't deny that infestors helped ALOT. And its not like the game was imbalanced BEFORE the infestor buff, zvp and zvt were pretty balanced. And tell me; in what world and when would mutas would EVER be nerfed? Mutas will not be nerfed. There is just no way mutas will be nerfed because then zerg is really really fucked. Infestors are seen as a little imbalanced, so theres actually a high chance blizzard will nerf infestors. This is the reality. You can't deny that infestors will sooner or later be nerfed, and you can't deny that mutas will never be nerfed.
David kim already hinted at an infestor nerf by saying infestor/broodlord is pretty op

Tell me this; were zerg THAT helpess against toss BEFORE the infestor buff?
hell yeah, it was an "oh shit i need to be one base up so i can start throwing in 300 supply worth of units and hope he doesn't have a collosi/vr/stalker mix...
infestor/BL is op, but nothing zerg has before that is OP, yes there are abusive things Destiny does with infestors
i have no idea how you can state that ZvP or ZvT were balanced before the infestor buff?
ZvT still isn't balanced and unless you go infestor ZvP it still isn't balanced.
some people should not pull shit outta their ass when they talk balance >.> you literally have NO idea about any statistics before the infestor patch or even after the infestor patch.
when someone sees something winning their first reaction is "OPOPOPOP NERFNERFNERF" but nobody gives it time. Yeah when Kiwi first showed the 2 stargate 1 robo off 2 base build people thought it was OP, and they gave it time, and it turns out it was pretty fucking OP against zerg and unless zerg went 200/200 corrupter they would lose. You have not given infestors any time and you're just a pissed off crappy toss player who doesn't know how to make HT and feedback and storm spam
Lady Nancy Astor (to Churchill): “Sir, you’re drunk!” Churchill: “Yes, Madam, I am. But in the morning, I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”
BLCabeldank
Profile Joined July 2011
United States99 Posts
August 22 2011 01:13 GMT
#865
On August 22 2011 10:11 PirateEd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 10:01 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:47 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:14 TheSubtleArt wrote:
If Destiny only wins because he abuses infestors then what about Idra? I guess he's a mutalisk abuser? What about MMA? He's a marine / tank abuser? Seriously wtf, it's a unique and fairly interesting approach to the Zerg midgame that few top Zergs are doing. Why does Destiny get put down because of it =/.


Comparing infestors is different that mutalisk or marine/tank. The mutalisk is seen as a perfectly balanced unit, good for harass, but also very fragile. The thing is, was destiny as good as he is now with the recent infestor buff? No, destiny used the infestor buff to his advantage and only uses infestors now. This can be seen as abusing it. The thing about this is, infestors are popularly seen as imba, so blizzard might nerf them. What then? Destiny will have to change his style completely. Right now, marine/tanks/mutas are seen as normal standard units that need no buff or nerf. Thats why using them is not abusing anything, as they are standard to the game. Another example is using reapers when they were SUPER GOOD. Morrow "abused" the use of reapers. Right after, blizzard nerfed them, and morrow changed to zerg lololol

Yes, that was exactly why Morrow switched to Zerg + Show Spoiler +
lolololololol
and yes, Infestors are not fragile + Show Spoiler +
lolololol
. Lets assume infestors are op but Mutas are perfectly balanced, just cause? You make a lot of assumptions here, and your assessment is based entirely on an assumption that unproven to say the least. I don't even know how to argue with this lol. I mean yes, Destiny's style probably wouldn't be as good if infestors were nerfed, just like Idra's style wouldn't be as good if mutas were nerfed. In both scenarios they'd probably have to find a new way to play ZvT that works for them.

Seriously what the fuck are you getting at with this post? I hope you don't take up debating.

Tell me this; Was destiny as nearly as good as he is right now BEFORE the infestor buff?
Tell me this; were protoss THIS helpless against zerg BEFORE the infestor buff?
You can't deny that infestors helped ALOT. And its not like the game was imbalanced BEFORE the infestor buff, zvp and zvt were pretty balanced. And tell me; in what world and when would mutas would EVER be nerfed? Mutas will not be nerfed. There is just no way mutas will be nerfed because then zerg is really really fucked. Infestors are seen as a little imbalanced, so theres actually a high chance blizzard will nerf infestors. This is the reality. You can't deny that infestors will sooner or later be nerfed, and you can't deny that mutas will never be nerfed.
David kim already hinted at an infestor nerf by saying infestor/broodlord is pretty op


I actually thought that Protoss had quite a big advantage over zerg before the buff but that arguments for another day. If mass infestors was truly imbalanced then why isn't every zerg doing it? Mutas may or may not be nerfed in the future as zergs continue to learn and develop the metagame. On the other hand, protoss and terrans may find out how to counter infestors better and all the talks of imbalance will start to fade.

HT
Ghosts
problem solved
Lady Nancy Astor (to Churchill): “Sir, you’re drunk!” Churchill: “Yes, Madam, I am. But in the morning, I will be sober and you will still be ugly.”
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
August 22 2011 01:17 GMT
#866
On August 22 2011 10:11 PirateEd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 10:01 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:47 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:14 TheSubtleArt wrote:
If Destiny only wins because he abuses infestors then what about Idra? I guess he's a mutalisk abuser? What about MMA? He's a marine / tank abuser? Seriously wtf, it's a unique and fairly interesting approach to the Zerg midgame that few top Zergs are doing. Why does Destiny get put down because of it =/.


Comparing infestors is different that mutalisk or marine/tank. The mutalisk is seen as a perfectly balanced unit, good for harass, but also very fragile. The thing is, was destiny as good as he is now with the recent infestor buff? No, destiny used the infestor buff to his advantage and only uses infestors now. This can be seen as abusing it. The thing about this is, infestors are popularly seen as imba, so blizzard might nerf them. What then? Destiny will have to change his style completely. Right now, marine/tanks/mutas are seen as normal standard units that need no buff or nerf. Thats why using them is not abusing anything, as they are standard to the game. Another example is using reapers when they were SUPER GOOD. Morrow "abused" the use of reapers. Right after, blizzard nerfed them, and morrow changed to zerg lololol

Yes, that was exactly why Morrow switched to Zerg + Show Spoiler +
lolololololol
and yes, Infestors are not fragile + Show Spoiler +
lolololol
. Lets assume infestors are op but Mutas are perfectly balanced, just cause? You make a lot of assumptions here, and your assessment is based entirely on an assumption that unproven to say the least. I don't even know how to argue with this lol. I mean yes, Destiny's style probably wouldn't be as good if infestors were nerfed, just like Idra's style wouldn't be as good if mutas were nerfed. In both scenarios they'd probably have to find a new way to play ZvT that works for them.

Seriously what the fuck are you getting at with this post? I hope you don't take up debating.

Tell me this; Was destiny as nearly as good as he is right now BEFORE the infestor buff?
Tell me this; were protoss THIS helpless against zerg BEFORE the infestor buff?
You can't deny that infestors helped ALOT. And its not like the game was imbalanced BEFORE the infestor buff, zvp and zvt were pretty balanced. And tell me; in what world and when would mutas would EVER be nerfed? Mutas will not be nerfed. There is just no way mutas will be nerfed because then zerg is really really fucked. Infestors are seen as a little imbalanced, so theres actually a high chance blizzard will nerf infestors. This is the reality. You can't deny that infestors will sooner or later be nerfed, and you can't deny that mutas will never be nerfed.
David kim already hinted at an infestor nerf by saying infestor/broodlord is pretty op


I actually thought that Protoss had quite a big advantage over zerg before the buff but that arguments for another day. If mass infestors was truly imbalanced then why isn't every zerg doing it? Mutas may or may not be nerfed in the future as zergs continue to learn and develop the metagame. On the other hand, protoss and terrans may find out how to counter infestors better and all the talks of imbalance will start to fade.

i never said mass infestors. i said infestors. mass infestor is destiny's style.
Makotoo
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland159 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 01:23:57
August 22 2011 01:20 GMT
#867
On August 22 2011 10:01 koolaid1990 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 09:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:47 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:14 TheSubtleArt wrote:
If Destiny only wins because he abuses infestors then what about Idra? I guess he's a mutalisk abuser? What about MMA? He's a marine / tank abuser? Seriously wtf, it's a unique and fairly interesting approach to the Zerg midgame that few top Zergs are doing. Why does Destiny get put down because of it =/.


Comparing infestors is different that mutalisk or marine/tank. The mutalisk is seen as a perfectly balanced unit, good for harass, but also very fragile. The thing is, was destiny as good as he is now with the recent infestor buff? No, destiny used the infestor buff to his advantage and only uses infestors now. This can be seen as abusing it. The thing about this is, infestors are popularly seen as imba, so blizzard might nerf them. What then? Destiny will have to change his style completely. Right now, marine/tanks/mutas are seen as normal standard units that need no buff or nerf. Thats why using them is not abusing anything, as they are standard to the game. Another example is using reapers when they were SUPER GOOD. Morrow "abused" the use of reapers. Right after, blizzard nerfed them, and morrow changed to zerg lololol

Yes, that was exactly why Morrow switched to Zerg + Show Spoiler +
lolololololol
and yes, Infestors are not fragile + Show Spoiler +
lolololol
. Lets assume infestors are op but Mutas are perfectly balanced, just cause? You make a lot of assumptions here, and your assessment is based entirely on an assumption that unproven to say the least. I don't even know how to argue with this lol. I mean yes, Destiny's style probably wouldn't be as good if infestors were nerfed, just like Idra's style wouldn't be as good if mutas were nerfed. In both scenarios they'd probably have to find a new way to play ZvT that works for them.

Seriously what the fuck are you getting at with this post? I hope you don't take up debating.

Tell me this; Was destiny as nearly as good as he is right now BEFORE the infestor buff?
Tell me this; were protoss THIS helpless against zerg BEFORE the infestor buff?
You can't deny that infestors helped ALOT. And its not like the game was imbalanced BEFORE the infestor buff, zvp and zvt were pretty balanced. And tell me; in what world and when would mutas would EVER be nerfed? Mutas will not be nerfed. There is just no way mutas will be nerfed because then zerg is really really fucked. Infestors are seen as a little imbalanced, so theres actually a high chance blizzard will nerf infestors. This is the reality. You can't deny that infestors will sooner or later be nerfed, and you can't deny that mutas will never be nerfed.
David kim already hinted at an infestor nerf by saying infestor/broodlord is pretty op


There is really no proof at all that infestors are imbalanced. They are power units, like lurkers, reavers etc were in brood war and they need preparation and thought both when using them and when preparing an attack against them.

Their strength at the moment means that protoss / terran can't simply 1a with whatever timing they choose but they have to think about the zergs unit composition and actually attack weaker spots in their defense.

based on what do you say that the game was balanced in zvp and zvt before this, quite a few people had a problem in zvp for example and now i see both sides winning in zvp. Zvt on the other hand i would agree is a little stupid at the moment because of broodlord infestor being so strong but i dont believe the flaw here lies within the infestor but the synergy of the units. Although I think terrans are starting to solve it with the heavy mech using ghosts to snipe/emp.

You also say mutalisks can't be "abused" and are a "staple unit". Have you ever even seen what mutalisks do in maps that have large space all around main? Terran can pretty much never leave their base because either they have to put up so many turrets they dont have enough army and once mutas reach critical number there would need to be an insane amount of turrets to hold them, or alternatively you have to keep your marines defending and cant ever move out while zerg can expand everywhere. This is the reason they are a staple unit at the moment.

Your point that Destiny is good now because of infestor buff is also ridiculous. Of course it helped him since infestors are a part of his style but you cant seem to think players improve, I've watched his stream a lot and Destiny has improved huge amounts. His infestor control is most of the time better than idra's because he started experimenting with them loong ago and idra has limited experience using them compared to him.

In my personal opinion at the moment infestors are only good for this game, they are versatile and have many interesting and by most players unexplored possibilities. They are also a good defensive unit so p and t can't just go herp derp blind timing attack every game. They actually need to learn how to push zerg to force him to make units so they can keep up economically and back off if there are too many units out and attack if zerg is being too greedy.


BLCabeldank
Profile Joined July 2011
United States99 Posts
August 22 2011 01:22 GMT
#868
On August 22 2011 10:20 Makotoo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 22 2011 10:01 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:54 TheSubtleArt wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:47 koolaid1990 wrote:
On August 22 2011 09:14 TheSubtleArt wrote:
If Destiny only wins because he abuses infestors then what about Idra? I guess he's a mutalisk abuser? What about MMA? He's a marine / tank abuser? Seriously wtf, it's a unique and fairly interesting approach to the Zerg midgame that few top Zergs are doing. Why does Destiny get put down because of it =/.


Comparing infestors is different that mutalisk or marine/tank. The mutalisk is seen as a perfectly balanced unit, good for harass, but also very fragile. The thing is, was destiny as good as he is now with the recent infestor buff? No, destiny used the infestor buff to his advantage and only uses infestors now. This can be seen as abusing it. The thing about this is, infestors are popularly seen as imba, so blizzard might nerf them. What then? Destiny will have to change his style completely. Right now, marine/tanks/mutas are seen as normal standard units that need no buff or nerf. Thats why using them is not abusing anything, as they are standard to the game. Another example is using reapers when they were SUPER GOOD. Morrow "abused" the use of reapers. Right after, blizzard nerfed them, and morrow changed to zerg lololol

Yes, that was exactly why Morrow switched to Zerg + Show Spoiler +
lolololololol
and yes, Infestors are not fragile + Show Spoiler +
lolololol
. Lets assume infestors are op but Mutas are perfectly balanced, just cause? You make a lot of assumptions here, and your assessment is based entirely on an assumption that unproven to say the least. I don't even know how to argue with this lol. I mean yes, Destiny's style probably wouldn't be as good if infestors were nerfed, just like Idra's style wouldn't be as good if mutas were nerfed. In both scenarios they'd probably have to find a new way to play ZvT that works for them.

Seriously what the fuck are you getting at with this post? I hope you don't take up debating.

Tell me this; Was destiny as nearly as good as he is right now BEFORE the infestor buff?
Tell me this; were protoss THIS helpless against zerg BEFORE the infestor buff?
You can't deny that infestors helped ALOT. And its not like the game was imbalanced BEFORE the infestor buff, zvp and zvt were pretty balanced. And tell me; in what world and when would mutas would EVER be nerfed? Mutas will not be nerfed. There is just no way mutas will be nerfed because then zerg is really really fucked. Infestors are seen as a little imbalanced, so theres actually a high chance blizzard will nerf infestors. This is the reality. You can't deny that infestors will sooner or later be nerfed, and you can't deny that mutas will never be nerfed.
David kim already hinted at an infestor nerf by saying infestor/broodlord is pretty op


There is really no proof at all that infestors are imbalanced. They are power units, like lurkers, reavers etc were in brood war and they need preparation and thought both when using them and when preparing an attack against them.

Their strength at the moment means that protoss / terran can't simply 1a with whatever timing they choose but they have to think about the zergs unit composition and actually attack weaker spots in their defense.

based on what do you say that the game was balanced in zvp and zvt before this, quite a few people had a problem in zvp for example and now i see both sides winning in zvp. Zvt on the other hand i would agree is a little stupid at the moment because of broodlord infestor being so strong. Although I think terrans are starting to solve it with the heavy mech using ghosts to snipe/emp.

You also say mutalisks can't be "abused" and are a "staple unit". Have you ever even seen what mutalisks do in maps that have large space all around main? Terran can pretty much never leave their base because either they have to put up so many turrets they dont have enough army and once mutas reach critical number there would need to be an insane amount of turrets to hold them, or alternatively you have to keep your marines defending and cant ever move out while zerg can expand everywhere. This is the reason they are a staple unit at the moment.

Your point that Destiny is good now because of infestor buff is also ridiculous. Of course it helped him since infestors are a part of his style but you cant seem to think players improve, I've watched his stream a lot and Destiny has improved huge amounts. His infestor control is most of the time better than idra's because he started experimenting with them loong ago and idra has limited experience using them compared to him.

In my personal opinion at the moment infestors are only good for this game, they are versatile and have many interesting and by most players unexplored possibilities. They are also a good defensive unit so p and t can't just go herp derp blind timing attack every game. They actually need to learn how to push zerg to force him to make units so they can keep up economically and back off if there are too many units out and attack if zerg is being too greedy.



<3 T just needs more ghosts
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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
August 22 2011 01:24 GMT
#869
This terran player is good... and I've never even heard of him before.... this is actually pretty darn scary.... just how many hidden talent is around in Korea.
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nucLeaRTV
Profile Joined May 2011
Romania822 Posts
August 22 2011 01:25 GMT
#870
3-0 sup
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Brotatolol
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1742 Posts
August 22 2011 01:26 GMT
#871
Didn't expect the series to be that one-sided. Congrats to Skit, had the clutch EMPs the last game
koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
August 22 2011 01:26 GMT
#872
too many fanboys in here
im one too but seriously i hate destiny fanboys so annoying cant admit shit
SC2Epic
Profile Joined June 2011
United States25 Posts
August 22 2011 01:28 GMT
#873
Not that great of a series, it was very one-sided. First to games weren't that fun to watch due to the quickness, and the last game was good but Destiny was simply outplayed by quite a bit. I didn't expect him to go down that easily, but props to skit for his very nice play!
Enki
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States2548 Posts
August 22 2011 01:28 GMT
#874
Destinys chat was fucking embarassing to read during the games, he talks about retard magnets, but it seems the biggest retard magnet of all is his chat.
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forgottendreams
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1771 Posts
August 22 2011 01:29 GMT
#875
3-0 supson?!
Makotoo
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland159 Posts
August 22 2011 01:29 GMT
#876
On August 22 2011 10:26 koolaid1990 wrote:
too many fanboys in here
im one too but seriously i hate destiny fanboys so annoying cant admit shit


It's funny how you ignored my entire post and post shit when you can't argue back
BLCabeldank
Profile Joined July 2011
United States99 Posts
August 22 2011 01:29 GMT
#877
On August 22 2011 10:26 koolaid1990 wrote:
too many fanboys in here
im one too but seriously i hate destiny fanboys so annoying cant admit shit

your arguments are so flawed it's ridiculous how you can admit things and then blame others for not admitting to your side
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FallDownMarigold
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 01:35:14
August 22 2011 01:30 GMT
#878
I've never watched Destiny play before, really. Anyway here's what I think:

I hate it when players are like "yeah, yeah, I would have won but I just made some misclicks in the early game..."

I think it's more than just a couple "misclicks" dude. You got outplayed in the early game. It doesn't boil down to one or two off-target clicks. It comes down to leaving shit attacking the wrong shit for too long, and overall bad crisis control.

I did like game 3... Pretty solid. Still not too sure that mass infestor is a legit strat though if it's the only weapon in your arsenal. Especially considering basically all the infestors were in a nice fat clump almost the entire game, all he really had to do was fire off a few EMPs.. use multi drops..

I dunno. Uninspired games in all. Not sure what all the hype was, lol, i was expecting something more.

On August 22 2011 10:26 Brotatolol wrote:
Didn't expect the series to be that one-sided. Congrats to Skit, had the clutch EMPs the last game


heh I dunno I think the clutch EMPs were quite a bit easier considering the mass infestor clump seemed to be on one hotkey for most of that game (except for that part when like 7 ventured off to go suicide into a PF)... I think it might be nice to see a player that relies on mass infestor keep them spread out when not moving them, and keep them spaced out like in BW when moving with them (when you couldn't just ball a mass of units up and roll around) - seems especially important with infestors
Soohard
Profile Joined July 2011
19 Posts
August 22 2011 01:32 GMT
#879
Who won showmatch? Who is skit? i know who the NEX team is but whose skit?
mindspike
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Canada1902 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-22 01:42:19
August 22 2011 01:42 GMT
#880
On August 22 2011 10:30 FallDownMarigold wrote:
I've never watched Destiny play before, really. Anyway here's what I think:

I hate it when players are like "yeah, yeah, I would have won but I just made some misclicks in the early game..."

I think it's more than just a couple "misclicks" dude. You got outplayed in the early game. It doesn't boil down to one or two off-target clicks. It comes down to leaving shit attacking the wrong shit for too long, and overall bad crisis control.



Your quote is completely wrong. He never said he would have won if he didn't misclick.

What he meant was the game was over as soon as the misclicks happened. Hence why in game 3 he didn't screw up and the game didn't end in 8 mins to early aggression.
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