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W2
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1177 Posts
July 25 2011 11:47 GMT
#2721
Both zergs 3-0 their opponents to reach ZvZ finals. Zerg is looking stronger than ever atm, much stronger than other two races when played well.
Hi
HolyArrow
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7116 Posts
July 25 2011 11:47 GMT
#2722
On July 25 2011 20:46 PlosionCornu wrote:
at least this one won't be as one-sided as mvp/mkp or nestea/inca.


You never know. Nestea could very well break out some secret strategy meant to destroy LosirA, since I'm assuming Nestea taught LosirA a ton about ZvZ.
Zealot Lord
Profile Joined May 2010
Hong Kong748 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2723
On July 25 2011 20:38 WindCalibur wrote:
Terrans and Protoss better start practicing harder and try to catch up. Clearly, allowing the zerg to drone up too hard (aka no apparent pressure) or doing risky builds that has holes everywhere is not the way to do it.


Its pretty hard to put pressure on the zerg for some of the GSL maps though, because of how big it is (giving them ample time to react). you really have to invest quite a lot into it, making it a near all-in in a lot of cases. If your pressure doesn't do damage, the games pretty much over more often than not.
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2724
I don't know why people are saying Nestea will 4-0. If there is someone in Korea to be at an even level in ZvZ it is Losira. And it's not as bad as PvP 'cause there is no standard build like 4gate and games can be extremely short as well as be very long macro games.
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
cENTRYZ
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway832 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2725
On July 25 2011 20:46 Morrisson wrote:
AND another boring final for the GSL!

Then don't watch it? Goodbye.


So funny when ppl was crying about 3 protoss in the top3 @ Homestory cup, and that PvP was horrible when it turned out to be amazing games.

This is going to be an amazing finals, no matter what.
IAmHandsome
Profile Joined February 2011
Indonesia21 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2726
I hope LosirA win the final..
not NesTea..
I Am Handsome
flodeskum
Profile Joined September 2010
Iceland1267 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2727
On July 25 2011 20:40 setzer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:38 tdt wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:35 labbe wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:33 zeru wrote:
Not a single good game the whole semi finals. Are you kidding me. GSL needs to change their tournament format or something. This is not working. Depressinggggg.

Haha, are you seriously blaming the GSL for the quiality of the games. That's completely out of their hands. There's nothing wrong with the format.

No it's not. You give a week to prepare you get blowouts. It's no accident GSTL is so much better.


The time between GSL ro4 and finals are shorter than BW leagues and most individual league finals in BW have been great.

Yeah but a week to prepare in BW is not the same as it is in SC2. Just look at how different games between koreans at foreigner lans look compared to the GSL.
IdrA: " my fans are kinda retarded"
sraelgaiznaer
Profile Joined October 2010
Philippines423 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2728
On July 25 2011 20:42 Kommander wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:41 sraelgaiznaer wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:26 jackdaleaper wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:25 sraelgaiznaer wrote:
is anybody experiencing lag with the stream? I was watching the first games by hongun and nestea and everything was smooth. however losira and byuns games are laggy Im missing the actions all I hear are artosis and tasteless commentating


Nope, no lag from me. What ISP are you using?


Globe well it sucks I didn't catch all of the action. GL to Losira and Nestea. though I think nestea will take this


BayanTel FTW! =))


OT: Nice to see fellow filipinos here in the forums.

Back to the topic: IM's pretty strong considering they might have 3 champions for GSL if Losira wins. If not they will still have the only player who had a back to back GSL championship and 3 time GSL Champion. nice
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2729
On July 25 2011 20:45 Heavenly wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:38 WindCalibur wrote:
Terrans and Protoss better start practicing harder and try to catch up. Clearly, allowing the zerg to drone up too hard (aka no apparent pressure) or doing risky builds that has holes everywhere is not the way to do it.


Lol, Byun was constantly dropping when he could and any significant pressure that protoss puts on is an all-in, or is deflected by sporecrawlers. Why are you acting like zergs somehow practice harder than all terrans and protoss? They just discovered the timings of any effective push finally, the most effective ones got nerfed, and now zergs know exactly when to drone to get a big lead, exactly like what happened in Nestea v Hongun. If all the best BW players came to SC2, the zerg players would be unstoppable just like Nestea seems.

There are just too many game design flaws. Not even a balance whine, hopefully the design team noticed a lot of stupid things going on in the game that can be easily improved.

Byun was so far behind in both Games 1 and 2 and did well to come back, was very close to winning in Game 2 also. It's not a design flaw. I still can't believe we're having these sorts of discussions these days.
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
TaoTeKing
Profile Joined April 2011
France481 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2730
hell yeah that was a good day for incredible miracle^^...and for zerg
Zerg imba^^
nAgeDitto
Profile Joined April 2011
United States428 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2731
On July 25 2011 20:46 Yew wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:42 WindCalibur wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:40 Yew wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:38 Serpico wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:37 Yew wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:35 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:34 Yew wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:33 Daray wrote:
Byun's TvT was siiick but terrible TvZ :c

His TvZ isn't bad either lol, in every game losira got so far ahead in the early game byun was playing catch up.

Byun's early game was just bad...idk why but if he can stablize that he would be really sick.

His early game isn't bad though. First game losira went for a huge roach attack while byun was teching, second game byun brought a ton of SCVs for the bunker rush but they ended up all dying and third game bane bust. All the games were basically won 5 minutes in.

...so how wasnt his early game bad?

Two of them were build order losses -.- What do you propose to him, mr. bonjwa?


Build order loss? More like his build order isn't well thought out and he did not practice enough to see through all the holes and variations. Though this might not be his fault considering the amount of time he practiced and who he probably practiced with.

Lol I doubt he thought losira would go for the roach all in in game 1. Game 2 was his mistake, bringing all those scvs for basically nothing, so that was his fault. Game 3 he went CC first on a big map on Tal'Darim, but scouted late so he got baneling busted. He tried to vary his builds but got countered in each game.


to be fair, TSL_revival did that exact game 1 build the gstl (same matchup/map)

Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
July 25 2011 11:48 GMT
#2732
Super Tournament: TvT
Code A Finals: PvP
Code S Finals: ZvZ

Last three finals all been the different mirrors. Now you can't complain any race didn't get their finals to shine.
Writerhttps://twitter.com/FionnOnFire
Eufouria
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom4425 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 11:49:09
July 25 2011 11:49 GMT
#2733
On July 25 2011 20:46 Tachion wrote:
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On July 25 2011 20:44 Domination wrote:
LOL at the people who think a zvz final is awesome. You guys have terrible taste. ZvZ was the worst matchup in broodwar and it might be the worst matchup in SC2.

No YOU have terrible taste cause you don't like it.
Or you just aren't a Zerg.
one or the other.

Most definitely he's not a Zerg. Only a Zerg would be excited about ZvZ, because its by far the most confusing mirror matchup. Everyone can understand positioning of tank lines, and getting air dominance in a TvT, and PvP at least results in occasionally good to watch micro, but ZvZ with its concept of droning, teching and making units to counter your opponent (from what I understand, often blindly) is impossible to understand unless you play Zerg.
peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
July 25 2011 11:49 GMT
#2734
IM team too strong nerf them pls am i doing this rite?
the throws never bothered me anyway
Ryncol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States980 Posts
July 25 2011 11:49 GMT
#2735
On July 25 2011 20:45 Scarecrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:44 Domination wrote:
LOL at the people who think a zvz final is awesome. You guys have terrible taste. ZvZ was the worst matchup in broodwar and it might be the worst matchup in SC2.

PvP is the ZvZ of SC2, don't kid yourself


PvP is worse than ZvZ, true... but not by enough. They're both pretty boring to watch, in my opinion.
Klaas
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovenia86 Posts
July 25 2011 11:50 GMT
#2736
I don't mind watching the absolute top players play mirror match ups, I feel as long is it is not one sided it will be a great finals.
Heavenly
Profile Joined January 2011
2172 Posts
July 25 2011 11:50 GMT
#2737
On July 25 2011 20:48 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:45 Heavenly wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:38 WindCalibur wrote:
Terrans and Protoss better start practicing harder and try to catch up. Clearly, allowing the zerg to drone up too hard (aka no apparent pressure) or doing risky builds that has holes everywhere is not the way to do it.


Lol, Byun was constantly dropping when he could and any significant pressure that protoss puts on is an all-in, or is deflected by sporecrawlers. Why are you acting like zergs somehow practice harder than all terrans and protoss? They just discovered the timings of any effective push finally, the most effective ones got nerfed, and now zergs know exactly when to drone to get a big lead, exactly like what happened in Nestea v Hongun. If all the best BW players came to SC2, the zerg players would be unstoppable just like Nestea seems.

There are just too many game design flaws. Not even a balance whine, hopefully the design team noticed a lot of stupid things going on in the game that can be easily improved.

Byun was so far behind in both Games 1 and 2 and did well to come back, was very close to winning in Game 2 also. It's not a design flaw. I still can't believe we're having these sorts of discussions these days.


I didn't say anything about Byun v Losira?
"thx for all my fans i'm many lost but cheer for me .. i lost but so happy my power is fans i will good play this is promise my fans" - oGsMC
4Servy
Profile Joined August 2008
Netherlands1542 Posts
July 25 2011 11:50 GMT
#2738
On July 25 2011 20:48 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:45 Heavenly wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:38 WindCalibur wrote:
Terrans and Protoss better start practicing harder and try to catch up. Clearly, allowing the zerg to drone up too hard (aka no apparent pressure) or doing risky builds that has holes everywhere is not the way to do it.


Lol, Byun was constantly dropping when he could and any significant pressure that protoss puts on is an all-in, or is deflected by sporecrawlers. Why are you acting like zergs somehow practice harder than all terrans and protoss? They just discovered the timings of any effective push finally, the most effective ones got nerfed, and now zergs know exactly when to drone to get a big lead, exactly like what happened in Nestea v Hongun. If all the best BW players came to SC2, the zerg players would be unstoppable just like Nestea seems.

There are just too many game design flaws. Not even a balance whine, hopefully the design team noticed a lot of stupid things going on in the game that can be easily improved.

Byun was so far behind in both Games 1 and 2 and did well to come back, was very close to winning in Game 2 also. It's not a design flaw. I still can't believe we're having these sorts of discussions these days.

You are always that far behind vs zerg in the early game 20-40 suply and 20 workers is prety normal when entering the midgame.
Yang Wenli
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2283 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-25 11:51:00
July 25 2011 11:50 GMT
#2739
On July 25 2011 20:45 pdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 20:42 zeru wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:41 Daray wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:40 Yew wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:38 Serpico wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:37 Yew wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:35 DystopiaX wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:34 Yew wrote:
On July 25 2011 20:33 Daray wrote:
Byun's TvT was siiick but terrible TvZ :c

His TvZ isn't bad either lol, in every game losira got so far ahead in the early game byun was playing catch up.

Byun's early game was just bad...idk why but if he can stablize that he would be really sick.

His early game isn't bad though. First game losira went for a huge roach attack while byun was teching, second game byun brought a ton of SCVs for the bunker rush but they ended up all dying and third game bane bust. All the games were basically won 5 minutes in.

...so how wasnt his early game bad?

Two of them were build order losses -.- What do you propose to him, mr. bonjwa?


Don't do builds that auto lose to certain builds? wtf :O

If you never cut corners or take risks you will just be predictable and lose either way.

He could have sent a second SCV to scout. Not entirely sure how he might have prevented a baneling bust after that, but still, I think an SCV loitering in your base my be a serious deterrant to even going for an early baneling nest.

Still if you go for a risky build, you have to prepare yourself for counters and Byun just didn't.


Even if Byun was late scouting, he should have prepared for the worst possible outcome when he decided to do a fast CC. The trade-offs is that he'll either be in good position or he won't die. Make a strong wall in-case of a baneling bust, if it's not going to happen you will still be a good position for the mid-game. Just teching immediately without locating the base was just poor decision making.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
July 25 2011 11:50 GMT
#2740
Why are people hating on a ZvZ finals so much?

It's going to be between arguably the 2 best players in the match up (Zenio has higher elo, Losira has a better winrate though), it's very tense to watch, both players know each other well so the chances of something new being needed are pretty high, and there's a lot more flexibility in midgame compositions lately with lategame continuing to be explored.

I'm actually really looking forward to it o-o
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