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On July 25 2011 20:49 Eufouria wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 20:46 Tachion wrote:On July 25 2011 20:44 Domination wrote:
LOL at the people who think a zvz final is awesome. You guys have terrible taste. ZvZ was the worst matchup in broodwar and it might be the worst matchup in SC2. No YOU have terrible taste cause you don't like it. Or you just aren't a Zerg. one or the other. Most definitely he's not a Zerg. Only a Zerg would be excited about ZvZ, because its by far the most confusing mirror matchup. Everyone can understand positioning of tank lines, and getting air dominance in a TvT, and PvP at least results in occasionally good to watch micro, but ZvZ with its concept of droning, teching and making units to counter your opponent (from what I understand, often blindly) is impossible to understand unless you play Zerg.
That's not far from the truth haha. It takes quite a bit of experience in ZvZ to understand all the different timings and how builds set you up for better or worse against what your opponent is doing. I love watching high level ZvZ because I do get it, but I can understand how it can just look like a flurry of mass drones or units butting heads without understanding what's going on behind it all or what lead up to it.
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On July 25 2011 20:53 SafeAsCheese wrote:
You guys sure bring up idra a lot for someone you think so lowly of his opinion, it's kinda haterish
If anything, it's P and T that have been imba whining the last 2 months in LR threads about fungal.
Because he's funny whining and quitting all the time while top Zergs roll on. Mostly without fungal.
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On July 25 2011 20:51 tdt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 20:44 Dante08 wrote:On July 25 2011 20:38 tdt wrote:On July 25 2011 20:35 labbe wrote:On July 25 2011 20:33 zeru wrote:
Not a single good game the whole semi finals. Are you kidding me. GSL needs to change their tournament format or something. This is not working. Depressinggggg. Haha, are you seriously blaming the GSL for the quiality of the games. That's completely out of their hands. There's nothing wrong with the format. No it's not. You give a week to prepare you get blowouts. It's no accident GSTL is so much better. Not to mention BO1's at beginning at beginning get rid of late starters and adaptive players. GSL is a terrible format. Wow your logic is so retarded. People want to see the highest level of games possible. One way is to give ample time for players to prepare builds. Its not GOM's fault that one player cant outplay another when they have the same time to prepare.What would you suggest then? GSL every single day, and a season finishes in 2 weeks? Pretty much. MLG does it in 3 days with a double elimination. GSL milks it for a month with single elim.
TSL took place over a longer timespan than GSL did. And we got treated to a really good finals.
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Poll: If you had to pick one Grand Final mirror match to watchTvT (53) 66% ZvZ (22) 28% PvP (5) 6% 80 total votes Your vote: If you had to pick one Grand Final mirror match to watch (Vote): TvT
(Vote): ZvZ
(Vote): PvP
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On July 25 2011 20:48 -Zoda- wrote:
I don't know why people are saying Nestea will 4-0. If there is someone in Korea to be at an even level in ZvZ it is Losira. And it's not as bad as PvP 'cause there is no standard build like 4gate and games can be extremely short as well as be very long macro games.
Not really, people are saying Nestea will 4-0 because not only is Nestea better, but he is essentially Losira's mentor, he knows exactly what Losira is capable of. The reason Losira is even as close to Nestea's level in zvz is because they practice together.
That being said its not impossible that Losira could take a couple games off Nestea. However if Nestea lost the finals i would be very suspicious of the circumstances.
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And the trend continues, every GSL final ist just terrible.
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On July 25 2011 20:52 DrunkenTemplar wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 20:51 Beyonder wrote:On July 25 2011 20:47 W2 wrote:
Both zergs 3-0 their opponents to reach ZvZ finals. Zerg is looking stronger than ever atm, much stronger than other two races when played well. Shhhhhh, dont let Idra know :x Yeah I really hope zerg crying stops for a while now, it was pretty unbearable after MC vs July finals
better players won each match, dont get the balance complaining.
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On July 25 2011 20:59 Rorra wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 20:48 -Zoda- wrote:
I don't know why people are saying Nestea will 4-0. If there is someone in Korea to be at an even level in ZvZ it is Losira. And it's not as bad as PvP 'cause there is no standard build like 4gate and games can be extremely short as well as be very long macro games. Not really, people are saying Nestea will 4-0 because not only is Nestea better, but he is essentially Losira's mentor, he knows exactly what Losira is capable of. The reason Losira is even as close to Nestea's level in zvz is because they practice together. That being said its not impossible that Losira could take a couple games off Nestea. However if Nestea lost the finals i would be very suspicious of the circumstances.
NesTea lost to Dimaga
He also almost lost to Sen
Many close games have happened in his ZvZs
To say he is unbeatable would be stupid, especially against the second best ZvZer
hongun freaking beat MC with a 0% win vs a 80~% win rate, SC2 is unpredictable.
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sigh...ZvZ. At least there will be a little bit of drama with the whole master and apprentice thing.
Nestea for 3 time champ?
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On July 25 2011 21:00 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 20:52 DrunkenTemplar wrote:On July 25 2011 20:51 Beyonder wrote:On July 25 2011 20:47 W2 wrote:
Both zergs 3-0 their opponents to reach ZvZ finals. Zerg is looking stronger than ever atm, much stronger than other two races when played well. Shhhhhh, dont let Idra know :x Yeah I really hope zerg crying stops for a while now, it was pretty unbearable after MC vs July finals better players won each match, dont get the balance complaining.
Somehow I didn't see this comment when players like IMMVP/MKP/oGsMC were beating zergs. That was pure whine, even if the superior players won. And I wouldn't say Losira is so better than Byun. Doubles standards all the way.
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On July 25 2011 20:58 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 20:51 tdt wrote:On July 25 2011 20:44 Dante08 wrote:On July 25 2011 20:38 tdt wrote:On July 25 2011 20:35 labbe wrote:On July 25 2011 20:33 zeru wrote:
Not a single good game the whole semi finals. Are you kidding me. GSL needs to change their tournament format or something. This is not working. Depressinggggg. Haha, are you seriously blaming the GSL for the quiality of the games. That's completely out of their hands. There's nothing wrong with the format. No it's not. You give a week to prepare you get blowouts. It's no accident GSTL is so much better. Not to mention BO1's at beginning at beginning get rid of late starters and adaptive players. GSL is a terrible format. Wow your logic is so retarded. People want to see the highest level of games possible. One way is to give ample time for players to prepare builds. Its not GOM's fault that one player cant outplay another when they have the same time to prepare.What would you suggest then? GSL every single day, and a season finishes in 2 weeks? Pretty much. MLG does it in 3 days with a double elimination. GSL milks it for a month with single elim. TSL took place over a longer timespan than GSL did. And we got treated to a really good finals.
GSL 2 wasn't that bad either. Exceptions don't make the rule. SC2 is a game that does not allow combacks so much like BW. As such player who strategist best usually blows out the other. Time allows that.
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On July 25 2011 21:01 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 20:59 Rorra wrote:On July 25 2011 20:48 -Zoda- wrote:
I don't know why people are saying Nestea will 4-0. If there is someone in Korea to be at an even level in ZvZ it is Losira. And it's not as bad as PvP 'cause there is no standard build like 4gate and games can be extremely short as well as be very long macro games. Not really, people are saying Nestea will 4-0 because not only is Nestea better, but he is essentially Losira's mentor, he knows exactly what Losira is capable of. The reason Losira is even as close to Nestea's level in zvz is because they practice together. That being said its not impossible that Losira could take a couple games off Nestea. However if Nestea lost the finals i would be very suspicious of the circumstances. NesTea lost to Dimaga He also almost lost to Sen Many close games have happened in his ZvZs To say he is unbeatable would be stupid, especially against the second best ZvZer hongun freaking beat MC with a 0% win vs a 80~% win rate, SC2 is unpredictable.
Is the game volatile, or is it the players? MC played like shit vs HongUn
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I rarely whine about balance but final with 2 zergs who both won 3-0 in semi... I think Losira and Nestea are better player than Byun or Hongun but still 3-0. I really think we need nerf for zerg
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i think people are really underestimating the potential of a zvz finals
its two teammates first of all, and its two of the best zergs in the world
i would be incredibly surprised if this was a standard zvz finals
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On July 25 2011 21:02 Huragius wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 21:00 Serpico wrote:On July 25 2011 20:52 DrunkenTemplar wrote:On July 25 2011 20:51 Beyonder wrote:On July 25 2011 20:47 W2 wrote:
Both zergs 3-0 their opponents to reach ZvZ finals. Zerg is looking stronger than ever atm, much stronger than other two races when played well. Shhhhhh, dont let Idra know :x Yeah I really hope zerg crying stops for a while now, it was pretty unbearable after MC vs July finals better players won each match, dont get the balance complaining. Somehow I didn't see this comment when players like IMMVP/MKP/oGsMC were beating zergs. That was pure whine, even if the superior players won. And I wouldn't say Losira is so better than Byun. Doubles standards all the way.
Because blizzard was still patching the game when they won, and every patch included zerg buffs and map changes to help zerg out.
Now that the game is more stabilized (last balance patch was months ago), people wouldn't use that "double standard"
Also, Byun pretty much did outplay Losira in the mid-late game, but the early game is the most important part of the game, and it's where he failed.
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On July 25 2011 21:00 Serpico wrote:Show nested quote +On July 25 2011 20:52 DrunkenTemplar wrote:On July 25 2011 20:51 Beyonder wrote:On July 25 2011 20:47 W2 wrote:
Both zergs 3-0 their opponents to reach ZvZ finals. Zerg is looking stronger than ever atm, much stronger than other two races when played well. Shhhhhh, dont let Idra know :x Yeah I really hope zerg crying stops for a while now, it was pretty unbearable after MC vs July finals better players won each match, dont get the balance complaining.
People are angry most zerg users are giant hypocrites.
Zerg wins: "better player won, loser just played bad or didn't abuse"
Terran wins: "imba tanks, bunkers, marines"
Protoss wins: "lol forcefield imba, blink imba"
Even Idra whines along those lines most of the time.
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On July 25 2011 21:04 Xeanrot wrote:
I rarely whine about balance but final with 2 zergs who both won 3-0 in semi... I think Losira and Nestea are better player than Byun or Hongun but still 3-0. I really think we need nerf for zerg
And today no zergs made it to finals in shoutcraft, 1 tournament means nothing.
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Well.. lets hope theres some huge ZvZ revolution that makes it entertaining before this weekend
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On July 25 2011 20:48 Fionn wrote:
Super Tournament: TvT
Code A Finals: PvP
Code S Finals: ZvZ
Last three finals all been the different mirrors. Now you can't complain any race didn't get their finals to shine.
Fine, they're all imbalanced!
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