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Talin
Montenegro10532 Posts
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how2TL
1197 Posts
"trying-to-win" playstyle not for you? Just watch Idra games then, you'll be better off. | ||
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Tppz!
Germany1449 Posts
On September 13 2011 22:42 Asha` wrote: MKP went fe into 5rax marine. HerO tried to 4gate warp prism drop in the main. HerO's army in MKP's main while MKP's is at his door. Too much stuff from MKP on both fronts, HerO gets cleaned up at MKP's and misses a forcefield to let MKP into his base. HerO goes back with the warp prism to MKP's base in desperation but fails. MKP wins 4-2 after a disappointing final game. thx a lot! | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On September 13 2011 22:44 how2TL wrote: "trying-to-win" playstyle not for you? Just watch Idra games then, you'll be better off. Throwing in a cheese every once in awhile is playing to win, 1 basing at least half the time is being being cheesy. | ||
Noam
Israel2209 Posts
 Any info about 3rd/4th place match? | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
On September 13 2011 22:50 Maghetti wrote: Throwing in a cheese every once in awhile is playing to win, 1 basing at least half the time is being being cheesy. That's MarineKing for you though. At least he's consistent with what he does. | ||
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ItsMeDomLee
Canada2732 Posts
On September 13 2011 22:50 Maghetti wrote: Throwing in a cheese every once in awhile is playing to win, 1 basing at least half the time is being being cheesy. I'm not sure I'd call him/Polt cheesy.. They're just extremely prone to allinning you. | ||
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Linwelin
Ireland7554 Posts
On September 13 2011 23:01 Telcontar wrote: That's MarineKing for you though. At least he's consistent with what he does. Is 1 basing to win, something bad? Yeah I guess a macro game would be better for the viewers but let the players do whatever they want in order to win | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On September 13 2011 23:03 Linwelin wrote: The US aren't superpowers for respecting every little etiquette. Their bureaucracy are heavy-handed and hard-as-nails. Cunning I would say as well. But manages to impose the current world order. You gotta all-in sometimes man!Is 1 basing to win, something bad? Yeah I guess a macro game would be better for the viewers but let the players do whatever they want in order to win | ||
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HuKPOWA
United States1604 Posts
On September 13 2011 22:43 n00b3rt wrote: Classy play by MKP, he completely outplayed Hero. Gz for 1st place, he doesn't get many of those "completely outplayed" ugh some ppl r way too biased and oblivious | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On September 13 2011 23:03 Linwelin wrote: Is 1 basing to win, something bad? Yeah I guess a macro game would be better for the viewers but let the players do whatever they want in order to win Bad for the viewers and also a less solid way of playing. You can't purely do macro games, because then your opponent will cut a ton of corners and you end up behind, but if you play largely macro games and are a good player you will have continued long term success where the cheesy player can win games they would otherwise lose by cheesing alot, but ultimately they disappear from the scene. Compare the 1st season of GSL to recent seasons and you see no bitbybitprimes. Even MKP can play a macro game, he just for some reason loves to cheese...a lot. | ||
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how2TL
1197 Posts
On September 13 2011 22:50 Maghetti wrote: Throwing in a cheese every once in awhile is playing to win, 1 basing at least half the time is being being cheesy. If MKP thinks 1-basing is his best chance to win the game, then he is playing to win. The victory screen doesn't care about how you won. Enjoy your scrub mentality. | ||
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JesusOurSaviour
United Arab Emirates1141 Posts
On September 13 2011 23:32 Maghetti wrote: Nailed it - you HAVE to learn macro at some stage. Kyrix tried to macro up, but just isnt' as tactically astute as other zergs it seems.Bad for the viewers and also a less solid way of playing. You can't purely do macro games, because then your opponent will cut a ton of corners and you end up behind, but if you play largely macro games and are a good player you will have continued long term success where the cheesy player can win games they would otherwise lose by cheesing alot, but ultimately they disappear from the scene. Compare the 1st season of GSL to recent seasons and you see no bitbybitprimes. Even MKP can play a macro game, he just for some reason loves to cheese...a lot. | ||
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Maghetti
United States2429 Posts
On September 13 2011 23:39 how2TL wrote: If MKP thinks 1-basing is his best chance to win the game, then he is playing to win. The victory screen doesn't care about how you won. Enjoy your scrub mentality. Someone sounds like a butt hurt MKP fan :/. My message above addresses any of this. Cheese is an option. You do it to punish greedy play and prevent yourself from becoming predictable. You can't possibly defend mass cheese as a good strategy for pro gaming success. For his own sake, he has to play more solidly or he will end up in code B with all the other players(except hongun) who cheese as much as he does ended up. | ||
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Onegu
United States9696 Posts
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
MKP went for heavy 1 base on XNF and Dual Site. On Dual Site, Hero went for 3 gate void initially and did a 1 base warp prism/4gate on Shattered. All other games the players were going for more expansion focused play. MKP one based as many games as Hero did, and the 1/1/1 that MKP did I feel could of been beaten if Hero played better. There is no basis for hating on MKP for winning this series with the playstyles that he executed. He did get a few BO wins but that happens sometimes. With the arguable exception of the Xel Naga Fortress game he never played in a truly all in style, instead hitting a series of timings with each timing potentially ending the game immeadiately and that's just him being a good player. | ||
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FallDownMarigold
United States3710 Posts
On September 13 2011 23:55 Maghetti wrote: Someone sounds like a butt hurt MKP fan :/. :/ Actually no, not at all. Sounds like a play-to-win "fan". No butt-hurt apparent in his post. | ||
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Dfgj
Singapore5922 Posts
On September 13 2011 21:32 Asha` wrote: It's one of my favourite pushes tbh <3 Felt like HerO let himself get too close to the forcefielded off units? He was taking quite a bit of fire from units he had basically sectioned out of the fight due to letting his units auto concave out that way? I agree with that assessment, he let too much of the army attack his units and should have strung out the fight longer if possible - even the first forcefields were off somewhat. Pretty sick push that really maximizes the timings of the gasless expo having a bunch of early marines :o | ||
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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babylon
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