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oGs/TheWind made the correct decision in which players to pick for the matches. I see nothing questionable in choosing a Zerg which gave NesTea a run for his money to play against DRG. GSTL is also not only about choosing the powerhouses, but also giving the more uknown but talented players some TV experience. Hero also managed to win against DRG in the code B finals, so he was an obvious pick.
DRG is just on a roll now, and I don't think any other oGs player would have been better prepared to meet him.
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On July 07 2011 21:13 Gao Xi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 21:12 antilyon wrote:On July 07 2011 21:01 Gao Xi wrote:On July 07 2011 20:59 Rarak wrote:On July 07 2011 20:55 Morrisson wrote:
DRG is seriously sick. However BO1 are different than BO3 ou BO5, and there is a reason while he still hasnt qualified for Code A. badluck... same reason as Bomber took a while to qualify. DRG is clearly top2 zerg in the world now. I would Argue that DRG is more sick because he wins BO1 (which are supposed to be volatile?) Players are getting flung against him, and he has to know what hes doing, on what map. (It shows skill if he doesn't cheese, which he didnt) In a BO3, preperation is key, maybe DRG sucks at preparation. It's because they can't really prepare for Code A qualifiers, since the tournament pool is like 100+ players, all from GM or High masters league, plus, it's 5 BO3 in a row. Lmao yea. It slipped my mind that the qualifiers were a bunch of BO3s. So DRG doesn't have enough preparation for all the BO3s. Which a lot probably include cheese?
To be fair, he won 4 bo3 and lost in game 3 of the last bo3 iirc. One win away from code A.
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DRG is a great, great player, no doubt. But to be put next to MC or Neste or MVP, he HAS to show great single tournament resultats, that's all there is. Gameplay or not, luck or not ( guess what: it's the same for everybody....) DRG is extremly good, just not a top player yet.
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On July 07 2011 21:15 setzer wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 21:11 HolyArrow wrote:On July 07 2011 21:09 iyoume wrote:On July 07 2011 21:05 zeru wrote:On July 07 2011 21:03 HolyArrow wrote:On July 07 2011 21:01 zeru wrote:On July 07 2011 21:00 Daray wrote:On July 07 2011 20:59 zeru wrote:
DRG can't get into code A, but wins some games in GSTL, fanboys in LR thread shout "next bonjwa"...what? It took bomber a long to get into Code A -> S and DRG 11-1 in gstl right now... must've gotten really lucky i guess :c I'm not shouting that bomber is gonna be the next bonjwa, or the best player in the world, or even the best terran in the world. People like you really need to stop focusing on things like Code A/Code S status to measure a player. You don't look at things like that - you look at what their gameplay looks like. Gameplay is a pure measurement of skill. Tournament status largely can rely on luck. I remember when some people were convinced that MKP would roll MMA because MKP had a ton of 2nd place finishes while MMA wasn't even Code S. But they made the mistake of looking at just standing and results, rather than gameplay itself. I'm sorry but if you can't even qualify for a tournament a single time (?) for however many seasons GSL has existed now, it's hard for me to believe that that player is the best of anything. so you'd say players like TheBest are better than DRG? cause, y'know, he was once is code s That's pretty much exactly the problem with the idea that you need to be in Code S to be considered a great player. Code A? Nope, you're not Code S yet. Code B? Pfft, you're not even Code A. And that's pretty much all that matters to some people despite showing skill in the purest form possible - the gameplay. You don't have to be in Code S to be considered a great player, but you do need to have strong individual league presence to be considered among the very best. This is practically the same argument people have always had with BW players like Sea and Leta. Great PL players, always got their team wins, but when the individual leagues came around they disappeared. For DRG to be among MC and Nestea, like people are already claiming, he has to start showing more tournament results.
Well, there's the LG 3D tournament as a nice start for DRG. It has players like MKP, Genius, Rain, sC, and SuperNova, so, plenty of Code S players. Also, strong Code A players like Ryung, Leenock and MMA, along with Sage, Taeja and Yonghwa, all who put up impressive shows in the team league. Definitely a worthwhile accomplishment.
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On July 07 2011 21:17 Fionn wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 21:15 Rayansaki wrote:On July 07 2011 20:52 Roggay wrote:On July 07 2011 20:50 blAke139 wrote:On July 07 2011 20:49 EmilA wrote:
FUCK IT STOP THIS HUK FANBOYISM. HUK WOULD GET ANALLY SHREDDED GOD DAMNIT. And you are ignorant. you are, im so sick tired of these people who think they know better than the oGs coach. After the ogs coach piles up bad decisions season after season, yes, I do believe a lot of people know better than the ogs coach. It started back in season one when he thought it would be a good idea to keep throwing more terrans at IMSeed after he kept beating them one by one. His decision is always "Throw 3 random players out and then bring out MC durr". The only game where they didn't use MC as the last player was the only game they won. They have a ro4 and 2 ro8's in the GSTL, and are now 0-1 in this season. Isn't that the worst record of any team in the league? Do you think ogs is the worst team in korea? Because that's what their results show. Prime is 0-4 all-time.
Ok then are they the second worst team after prime ? ;>
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On July 07 2011 21:18 MrCon wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 21:13 Gao Xi wrote:On July 07 2011 21:12 antilyon wrote:On July 07 2011 21:01 Gao Xi wrote:On July 07 2011 20:59 Rarak wrote:On July 07 2011 20:55 Morrisson wrote:
DRG is seriously sick. However BO1 are different than BO3 ou BO5, and there is a reason while he still hasnt qualified for Code A. badluck... same reason as Bomber took a while to qualify. DRG is clearly top2 zerg in the world now. I would Argue that DRG is more sick because he wins BO1 (which are supposed to be volatile?) Players are getting flung against him, and he has to know what hes doing, on what map. (It shows skill if he doesn't cheese, which he didnt) In a BO3, preperation is key, maybe DRG sucks at preparation. It's because they can't really prepare for Code A qualifiers, since the tournament pool is like 100+ players, all from GM or High masters league, plus, it's 5 BO3 in a row. Lmao yea. It slipped my mind that the qualifiers were a bunch of BO3s. So DRG doesn't have enough preparation for all the BO3s. Which a lot probably include cheese? To be fair, he won 4 bo3 and lost in game 3 of the last bo3 iirc. One win away from code A.
It probably came out wrong. I'm arguing that DRG is good. I meant to say that Code A qualifiers are hard and require quite a bit of luck. Since there are a bunch of BO3s and its not like he can prepare for all of them.
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On July 07 2011 21:14 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 21:09 antihero_ wrote:On July 07 2011 20:55 Pandemona wrote:
Lol, MVP = DRG is silly, DRG isnt even good, he just does funny builds in the amazing Bo1 formats lol. Proves he is not a good player when he takes like 3hours to beat QXC in a Code B semi final game, then loses to Hero in 20minutes lol. Cezzane was unlucky that DRG was going for a huge roach push if it had been like 2/3 minutes later he wouldnt of been able to move out with it. Vs hero he got lucky that Hero did not sim City xpo like every other protos does and got a cheap easy run by victory massing lings...hardly the best play you will ever see...Then vs NaDa he just about won after getting lucky Run Bys again when NaDa moving out. He is not the best player on MVP team, Genuis and Tails clearly are hense they are in code S (going to be for Tails) Keen is also better than DRG. Stop with the fanboy attitudes please!! Apart from what everyone else allready pointed out DRG does not use "funny" builds. His builds are actually pretty standard. And saying he got lucky with that roachpush, Cezzane had about 4 roaches and a bunch of spines going up: obviously he knows something fishy is going on and its better to push sooner rather than later. In his match against Hero he knew what was going on and countered it perfectly. And vs Nada he scouted very well for when nada was moving out to make the runby's. He also does this in alot of ZvT's succesfully. Conclusion: He does not go for funny builds and he is not jus t"lucky". Lol watching different games i see. For the nada Run Bys where all luck, he had an Ovie scouting outside base until like 10minute mark when NaDa killed it, after that it was just luck that he moved into NaDas natural with his army, not saying this is bad play, its agressive zerg play which is fine. But it more luck than judgement that NaDa army is not turtling outside his base. Vs Cezzane he made like 25 roaches and steamed across the map not taking a 3rd? and your saying that is "standard" play vs a 2 base Z v Z with same build. He didnt scout a spire until they were up, he didnt even see the mass SC until he engaged, he had the Ovie OUTSIDE the choke of Cezzane natural -_-. Hero game, well he getting picked off in his main, sends 20 lings he has to Heros base on other side of map, see's no sim city defense on Natural, sees no block runs into his base gets some probe kills. Sends 40 more lings and its gege...Mistake from hero, yes.
Wow your Posts fail so much it"s unbelievable
1. Vs Nada - Had Burrowed Zerglings all game long throughout the map.So he knew when to counterattack and when to retreat.
2.vs Hero - Does a normal counterattack runby into Hero"s base..He gets clumsy and forgets to block of his main ramp...Lings get in , like 10 times..Hero goes clumsy here.
3 vs cezanne - Sees 4 roaches and 7 spines...That"s completely normal on 2 bases amirite? He"s already ahead on roaches so he knows somethings up and cezanne is trying to hold out for more time...so he attacks as soon as he gets 30 roaches.
Looking back at your post , I Do believe we were watching completely different games.
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On July 07 2011 21:19 zeru wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 21:13 HolyArrow wrote:On July 07 2011 21:09 zeru wrote:On July 07 2011 21:07 Chibithor wrote:On July 07 2011 21:05 zeru wrote:On July 07 2011 21:03 HolyArrow wrote:On July 07 2011 21:01 zeru wrote:On July 07 2011 21:00 Daray wrote:On July 07 2011 20:59 zeru wrote:
DRG can't get into code A, but wins some games in GSTL, fanboys in LR thread shout "next bonjwa"...what? It took bomber a long to get into Code A -> S and DRG 11-1 in gstl right now... must've gotten really lucky i guess :c I'm not shouting that bomber is gonna be the next bonjwa, or the best player in the world, or even the best terran in the world. People like you really need to stop focusing on things like Code A/Code S status to measure a player. You don't look at things like that - you look at what their gameplay looks like. Gameplay is a pure measurement of skill. Tournament status largely can rely on luck. I remember when some people were convinced that MKP would roll MMA because MKP had a ton of 2nd place finishes while MMA wasn't even Code S. But they made the mistake of looking at just standing and results, rather than gameplay itself. I'm sorry but if you can't even qualify for a tournament a single time (?) for however many seasons GSL has existed now, it's hard for me to believe that that player is the best of anything. Shouting "next bonjwa" is stupid but his Code A/S status has nothing to do with that. He's good and could easily compete in Code A or S. I'm saying that there have been several players who have performed amazing in GSTL who turned out not to be that great after all, like squirtle and younghwa. I dont think anyone will deny that DRG is quite a good player based on his games, but anything like "better than nestea" etc simply is ridiculous. On July 07 2011 21:09 iyoume wrote:On July 07 2011 21:05 zeru wrote:On July 07 2011 21:03 HolyArrow wrote:On July 07 2011 21:01 zeru wrote:On July 07 2011 21:00 Daray wrote:On July 07 2011 20:59 zeru wrote:
DRG can't get into code A, but wins some games in GSTL, fanboys in LR thread shout "next bonjwa"...what? It took bomber a long to get into Code A -> S and DRG 11-1 in gstl right now... must've gotten really lucky i guess :c I'm not shouting that bomber is gonna be the next bonjwa, or the best player in the world, or even the best terran in the world. People like you really need to stop focusing on things like Code A/Code S status to measure a player. You don't look at things like that - you look at what their gameplay looks like. Gameplay is a pure measurement of skill. Tournament status largely can rely on luck. I remember when some people were convinced that MKP would roll MMA because MKP had a ton of 2nd place finishes while MMA wasn't even Code S. But they made the mistake of looking at just standing and results, rather than gameplay itself. I'm sorry but if you can't even qualify for a tournament a single time (?) for however many seasons GSL has existed now, it's hard for me to believe that that player is the best of anything. so you'd say players like TheBest are better than DRG? cause, y'know, he was once is code s Nope, never said that. Let me ask you, Zeru: How did DRG, a player that "can't even qualify" for Code A, beat sC, a Code S-class Terran, in a Bo5? Like I said, stop looking at tournament status, start looking at skill exhibited in gameplay. I never said DRG isn't a good player. I'm saying it's ridiculous for people to go saying he's the best anything, just like it was ridiculous for people to go saying it for any other player based on a games played within a timeframe over 1-2 months. Just like it is for any other player who does well for a short period of time.
Okay, sure, I can agree with that. I suppose I interpreted your actual point incorrectly and focused too much on arguing against the philosophy that you can't be considered on the level of Code S/Code A players just because you yourself are not a Code S/Code A player. That always annoyed me.
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I think people are dumbing down coaches' decisions. part of their strategy may involve players being weak AFTER winning the round, or holding them to specifically beat other players just in case they need to.
I'd be VERY surprised if one person were informed enough on the teams' rosters and strategies that they've planned for the tournament to fairly critique the coaches. It's sickening to see everyone just spout "oh he's good vs x or y" because the commentators say that. Who's to say the coach isn't confident that one player or another is BETTER in the same matchup?
Maybe that's unlikely to actually be true, but again, we don't know their strategies nor do most of the people complaining about their decisions know their players' skill level in practice etc other than a couple one-off games and short series.
I say it's VERY likely that the coach knows them better than you do.
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For the nada Run Bys where all luck, he had an Ovie scouting outside base until like 10minute mark when NaDa killed it, after that it was just luck that he moved into NaDas natural with his army, not saying this is bad play, its agressive zerg play which is fine. But it more luck than judgement that NaDa army is not turtling outside his base.
Were you even watching/listening to the games? DRG had burrowed zerglings everywhere and saw exactly when Nada was moving out every time.
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The burrowed zergling part is genius, tbh
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People, calling DRG "the next bonjwa", "the best zerg ever" after he owned hard in a team league by his fans is called CHEERING. Like screaming "arsenal is the best soccer team of the world!" after they won something. Don't come up with the facts machine.... He took the win for MVP!!!
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I feel like if he were to go to MLG he'd have a great chance at taking that Code S spot he just looks so solid in most his games I cant see a clear weakness the amount of games you have to win to get into Code A is a lot im sure he'd perform well in GSL Code S.
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On July 07 2011 21:22 Day000 wrote:
People, calling DRG "the next bonjwa", "the best zerg ever" after he owned hard in a team league by his fans is called CHEERING. Like screaming "arsenal is the best soccer team of the world!" after they won something. Don't come up with the facts machine.... He took the win for MVP!!!
but the people saying so are serious about it
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Damn DRG always ruining my liquibets, stop carrying the team! 
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On July 07 2011 21:23 thoradycus wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2011 21:22 Day000 wrote:
People, calling DRG "the next bonjwa", "the best zerg ever" after he owned hard in a team league by his fans is called CHEERING. Like screaming "arsenal is the best soccer team of the world!" after they won something. Don't come up with the facts machine.... He took the win for MVP!!! but the people saying so are serious about it
That's why they are called fans 
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I dunno if this is good or bad, but DRG doesn't necessarily have a unique play style, he just has great control and makes great decisions on a regular basis. I suppose if his style was unique people could just try to figure him out, but he's just very consistent and solid which makes him hard to snipe.
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On July 07 2011 21:14 Pandemona wrote:
Lol watching different games i see. For the nada Run Bys where all luck, he had an Ovie scouting outside base until like 10minute mark when NaDa killed it, after that it was just luck that he moved into NaDas natural with his army, not saying this is bad play, its agressive zerg play which is fine. But it more luck than judgement that NaDa army is not turtling outside his base.
Vs Cezzane he made like 25 roaches and steamed across the map not taking a 3rd? and your saying that is "standard" play vs a 2 base Z v Z with same build. He didnt scout a spire until they were up, he didnt even see the mass SC until he engaged, he had the Ovie OUTSIDE the choke of Cezzane natural -_-.
Hero game, well he getting picked off in his main, sends 20 lings he has to Heros base on other side of map, see's no sim city defense on Natural, sees no block runs into his base gets some probe kills. Sends 40 more lings and its gege...Mistake from hero, yes.
ya different games indeed
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DRG is pretty good in GSTL now, but he still has a lot to show. In the last two games, Hero and Cezanne made pretty bad decisions, so DRG's wins in the last two games don't mean he is a god at vP or vZ.
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