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Jacobs Ladder
United States1705 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:07 canonised wrote: cant wait to see F.United play, too bad I have to wait 3 more weeks :\ I'm so excited to see Thorzain play in the Team League. He's capable of upsetting the best of the best when he's in form. | ||
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zeru
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Morrisson
289 Posts
On July 07 2011 20:59 Rarak wrote: badluck... same reason as Bomber took a while to qualify. DRG is clearly top2 zerg in the world now. Consistency is key to be a top player. If he can pull out beautiful wins but not be consistent in a BO3 format, then he might not be top2 zerg .... | ||
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Highways
Australia6122 Posts
It means DRG will pick up more kill streaks, which is good my my fantasy team =D | ||
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RPR_Tempest
Australia7799 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:04 setzer wrote: Yeah! Brood War, the most influential RTS game ever can burn in hell for all I care! I'm just saying that I'm not a Brood War fanboy, I actually like the game. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On July 07 2011 20:55 Jehct wrote: I'd laugh so hard if MVP's coach won the 'best coach award' for remembering to send out DRG as the ace every series. I feel bad for TheWind: clearly put a lot of thought into his picks (moreso than MVP's coach IMO) and the players had bad games that probably didn't measure up to their standards at all. I have to disagree with you. Not to bash on TheWind, but oGs since GSTL1 have made several questionable decisions in regards to who to play. GSTL1: Plays 3 consecutive Terrans against IM even though Seed looked extremely strong against them. GSTL 2: Plays SuperNova (who at that time was not very good at TvT) after SlayerSRyung beat TOP and had shown himself to be very good TvT. GSTL S1: Plays Cezanne as their Ace even though they have Huk, who's on a hot streak recently. Also do note that Huk and Jinro may not always show up in the line up because both Zenio and MC will probably take their spots once they're back from NASL. It was a pretty good opportunity, and one probably wasted. Now, I'm not saying that Huk would have won and Cezanne was a bad choice. What I'm saying is there's something wrong with oGs's thought process when it comes to player selection. And for me, you always have to play your Ace as your last man, unless of course it's 3-3 (which I admit it was) and the Ace doesn't have to play more than 1 game. So always putting out DRG as the last man makes a lot of sense to me, and there's nothing wrong with it. It's part of the team strategy. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:09 iyoume wrote: so you'd say players like TheBest are better than DRG? cause, y'know, he was once is code s That's pretty much exactly the problem with the idea that you need to be in Code S to be considered a great player. Code A? Nope, you're not Code S yet. Code B? Pfft, you're not even Code A. And that's pretty much all that matters to some people despite showing skill in the purest form possible - the gameplay. | ||
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antilyon
Brazil2546 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:01 Gao Xi wrote: I would Argue that DRG is more sick because he wins BO1 (which are supposed to be volatile?) Players are getting flung against him, and he has to know what hes doing, on what map. (It shows skill if he doesn't cheese, which he didnt) In a BO3, preperation is key, maybe DRG sucks at preparation. It's because they can't really prepare for Code A qualifiers, since the tournament pool is like 100+ players, all from GM or High masters league, plus, it's 5 BO3 in a row. | ||
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jinixxx123
543 Posts
seriously ppl, stop with the oh he's only code B and he sucks cause he cant qualify for code A, thats a load of rubbish. , almost every single time mvp has called upon him to perform and win the clutch matches he has done it . are you guys forgetting also that DRG also won the LG cinema tournament against code s SCfou? you know that same night where polt rapped mma? , yes that same day. DRG = just to good, the moment he gets into code A, hes going to win it no problem. | ||
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Rococo
United States331 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:03 bittman wrote: I'm happy DRG is earning me great Fantasy points and I'm a fan of his play, but I do hope MVP don't continue to rely on him for every Ace match. As it stands, it's what SlayerS do with MMA and oGs do with MC as predictably as the sun rising tomorrow. Prime used to do it with MKP, and now Polt. A predictable ace does not necessarily make a good ace, even if he's a future 5 time GSL champion. I hope MVP show some variety. As I said, fan of DRG, but SlayerS bored me in the team leagues a while ago. I think IM might be the strongest team this season, they aren't afraid to not rely upon their aces. It's a tougher thing to do than many realise. How MVP relies on DRG isn't really comparable to how Slayers uses MMA. There's using your best player as an ace and then there's using the only consistently good player on your team to win 3 out of 4 games every match. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:09 zeru wrote: I'm saying that there have been several players who have performed amazing in GSTL who turned out not to be that great after all, like squirtle and younghwa. I dont think anyone will deny that DRG is quite a good player based on his games, but anything like "better than nestea" etc simply is ridiculous. Nope, never said that. Let me ask you, Zeru: How did DRG, a player that "can't even qualify" for Code A, beat sC, a Code S-class Terran, in a Bo5? Like I said, stop looking at tournament status, start looking at skill exhibited in gameplay. | ||
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:12 antilyon wrote: It's because they can't really prepare for Code A qualifiers, since the tournament pool is like 100+ players, all from GM or High masters league, plus, it's 5 BO3 in a row. Lmao yea. It slipped my mind that the qualifiers were a bunch of BO3s. So DRG doesn't have enough preparation for all the BO3s. Which a lot probably include cheese? | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:09 antihero_ wrote: Apart from what everyone else allready pointed out DRG does not use "funny" builds. His builds are actually pretty standard. And saying he got lucky with that roachpush, Cezzane had about 4 roaches and a bunch of spines going up: obviously he knows something fishy is going on and its better to push sooner rather than later. In his match against Hero he knew what was going on and countered it perfectly. And vs Nada he scouted very well for when nada was moving out to make the runby's. He also does this in alot of ZvT's succesfully. Conclusion: He does not go for funny builds and he is not jus t"lucky". Lol watching different games i see. For the nada Run Bys where all luck, he had an Ovie scouting outside base until like 10minute mark when NaDa killed it, after that it was just luck that he moved into NaDas natural with his army, not saying this is bad play, its agressive zerg play which is fine. But it more luck than judgement that NaDa army is not turtling outside his base. Vs Cezzane he made like 25 roaches and steamed across the map not taking a 3rd? and your saying that is "standard" play vs a 2 base Z v Z with same build. He didnt scout a spire until they were up, he didnt even see the mass SC until he engaged, he had the Ovie OUTSIDE the choke of Cezzane natural -_-. Hero game, well he getting picked off in his main, sends 20 lings he has to Heros base on other side of map, see's no sim city defense on Natural, sees no block runs into his base gets some probe kills. Sends 40 more lings and its gege...Mistake from hero, yes. | ||
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setzer
United States3284 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:11 HolyArrow wrote: That's pretty much exactly the problem with the idea that you need to be in Code S to be considered a great player. Code A? Nope, you're not Code S yet. Code B? Pfft, you're not even Code A. And that's pretty much all that matters to some people despite showing skill in the purest form possible - the gameplay. You don't have to be in Code S to be considered a great player, but you do need to have strong individual league presence to be considered among the very best. This is practically the same argument people have always had with BW players like Sea and Leta. Great PL players, always got their team wins, but when the individual leagues came around they disappeared. For DRG to be among MC and Nestea, like people are already claiming, he has to start showing more tournament results. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:12 antilyon wrote: It's because they can't really prepare for Code A qualifiers, since the tournament pool is like 100+ players, all from GM or High masters league, plus, it's 5 BO3 in a row. It's too bad the smaller LG 3D tournament wasn't casted, because it's evident that hardly anyone knows about it. DRG went through several Bo3s and a Bo5 to win it. But yeah, Code A qualifiers are insane, because you can't really even prepare for specific matches as far as I know, which is why I keep insisting that luck is a large factor in getting through them. | ||
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Ninety-Three
United States68 Posts
It's completely stupid to imply that Code A is the bar for skilled players, seeing as how difficult it is to actually make it in due to how exclusive the tournament is. | ||
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Rayansaki
Portugal1266 Posts
On July 07 2011 20:52 Roggay wrote: you are, im so sick tired of these people who think they know better than the oGs coach. After the ogs coach piles up bad decisions season after season, yes, I do believe a lot of people know better than the ogs coach. It started back in season one when he thought it would be a good idea to keep throwing more terrans at IMSeed after he kept beating them one by one. His decision is always "Throw 3 random players out and then bring out MC durr". The only game where they didn't use MC as the last player was the only game they won. They have a ro4 and 2 ro8's in the GSTL, and are now 0-1 in this season. Isn't that the worst record of any team in the league? Do you think ogs is the worst team in korea? Because that's what their results show. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
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Gao Xi
Hong Kong5178 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:14 Pandemona wrote: Lol watching different games i see. For the nada Run Bys where all luck, he had an Ovie scouting outside base until like 10minute mark when NaDa killed it, after that it was just luck that he moved into NaDas natural with his army, not saying this is bad play, its agressive zerg play which is fine. But it more luck than judgement that NaDa army is not turtling outside his base. Vs Cezzane he made like 25 roaches and steamed across the map not taking a 3rd? and your saying that is "standard" play vs a 2 base Z v Z with same build. He didnt scout a spire until they were up, he didnt even see the mass SC until he engaged, he had the Ovie OUTSIDE the choke of Cezzane natural -_-. Hero game, well he getting picked off in his main, sends 20 lings he has to Heros base on other side of map, see's no sim city defense on Natural, sees no block runs into his base gets some probe kills. Sends 40 more lings and its gege...Mistake from hero, yes. vs Cezzane, he scouted spines. If you're building like 3+ spines you're either teching really hard or droning really hard (hell droning really hard doesnt require spines). He saw it with his lings, new that Cezzane wasnt making units (if he was he would be down on units anyways from the spines) and just crushed him. vs Hero, DRG got an early evo to put spores, he also used the early evo to get really early +1 and +2. Which probably threw Hero off. | ||
Fionn
United States23455 Posts
On July 07 2011 21:15 Rayansaki wrote: After the ogs coach piles up bad decisions season after season, yes, I do believe a lot of people know better than the ogs coach. It started back in season one when he thought it would be a good idea to keep throwing more terrans at IMSeed after he kept beating them one by one. His decision is always "Throw 3 random players out and then bring out MC durr". The only game where they didn't use MC as the last player was the only game they won. They have a ro4 and 2 ro8's in the GSTL, and are now 0-1 in this season. Isn't that the worst record of any team in the league? Do you think ogs is the worst team in korea? Because that's what their results show. Prime is 0-4 all-time. | ||
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