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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 05 2011 13:05 GMT
#1861
Hongun won that game despite getting half his zealots killed by his FF with some really good mind games from my PoV. He basically gave up trying to kill vikings and just killed ground army.
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
July 05 2011 13:05 GMT
#1862
Well HongUn did have 4-5 Gateways, Supernova didn't have a large viking count earlier in the game, if he pressed his advantage HongUn would have warped in a round of Stalkers and dealt with the Viking
Kettchup
Profile Joined October 2010
United States1911 Posts
July 05 2011 13:05 GMT
#1863
On July 05 2011 22:04 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
What the hell are they ranting about. He only had 2 colossus and a huge groundarmy with upgraded Zealots and Archons. Zealot-heavy isnt that uncommon and Tanks + Marauders are not very good against Zealot Archon. Tanks just do NOTHING to Zealots.

Kind of annoying from tastosis right there.


He had 4 colossus that got in far more shots than they should have. Supernova's army was pretty much gone by the time the last one went down.
Shiv.
Profile Joined January 2011
3534 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 13:07:19
July 05 2011 13:05 GMT
#1864
On July 05 2011 22:03 Eufouria wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 22:01 Shiv. wrote:
Am I mistaken or is the GomTV website kind of misleading? It says the GomTV player is not available for mac while it clearly is, I still cannot figure out how to use it properly though.

If you use Safari it should work out.

Ahhhhh. Good ol' Firefox is not always the best solution, I guess. Thank you so much.
Edit: haha, tuning in to find out they just finished the last game. Well, that's life, I guess.
currently rooting for myself.
StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 13:07:26
July 05 2011 13:05 GMT
#1865
Tasteless is criticizing too much. And the funny thing is that when HongUn army crashed through Supernova one, he started criticizing SuperNova lol... Come on guys.
omegaslast
Profile Joined May 2011
223 Posts
July 05 2011 13:06 GMT
#1866
On July 05 2011 22:04 AntiGrav1ty wrote:
What the hell are they ranting about. He only had 2 colossus and a huge groundarmy with upgraded Zealots and Archons. Zealot-heavy isnt that uncommon and Tanks + Marauders are not very good against Zealot Archon. Tanks just do NOTHING to Zealots.

Kind of annoying from tastosis right there.


He had 4 colossus
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
July 05 2011 13:06 GMT
#1867
On July 05 2011 22:04 Sleec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 22:03 NguN wrote:
On July 05 2011 22:01 Sleec wrote:
Sigh...Hongun is using Archons to kill the vikings, does Artosis really think Hongun is this stupid?


...

Explain the big 5 minute timing where he didn't have templar tech and no anti-air, and Supernova had 8+ Vikings.


It's not hard to just warp in a bunch of stalkers


And in that time you've lost 3+ Collosus.
parazice
Profile Joined March 2011
Thailand5517 Posts
July 05 2011 13:06 GMT
#1868
On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.

Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo.


this!!

seem his result in NASL was not lie(lost all his game XD)
BlindDruid
Profile Joined August 2010
Germany653 Posts
July 05 2011 13:06 GMT
#1869
On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.

Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo.


This was what I was thinking as well - he played a great mindgame there.

Herry
Profile Joined March 2011
England681 Posts
July 05 2011 13:06 GMT
#1870
On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.

Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo.


there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack
bbQ4Aiur
Profile Joined March 2011
Hong Kong2752 Posts
July 05 2011 13:06 GMT
#1871
I personally think what HongUn did totally make sense, first if u re-make a stargate for phenoix, u are already behind in air force, if u double stargate phenoix, there wont be enough resource for collosi and stuff. And Viking is only for countering collosi, they are basically useless after all collosi fall, so why bother making counter to viking, just let the collosi deal the damage and die. Stalkers dont make sense as well cause tanks and marauders melts them.
theprotagonist
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia85 Posts
July 05 2011 13:07 GMT
#1872
On July 05 2011 22:04 Sleec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 22:03 NguN wrote:
On July 05 2011 22:01 Sleec wrote:
Sigh...Hongun is using Archons to kill the vikings, does Artosis really think Hongun is this stupid?


...

Explain the big 5 minute timing where he didn't have templar tech and no anti-air, and Supernova had 8+ Vikings.


It's not hard to just warp in a bunch of stalkers


well... even if you warp in a bunch of stalkers as a reaction, supernova can just suicide those vikings and kill all of the colossus, then hongun would've been left with like 14 zealots and 4 sentries. u land the vikings, profit. Huge misstep by supernova.
Kreb
Profile Joined September 2010
4834 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 13:11:57
July 05 2011 13:08 GMT
#1873
On July 05 2011 22:04 kheldorin wrote:
OMG...Artosis misanalyzed that so much.....You need that zealots to save gas for the templar switch. HongUn is not stupid. He's going for the longer game. He knows collossus would not be good in the long run so that is why he got charge zealots and armor upgrade.

Agreed. Tastosis is normally spot on but honguns way of playing that out is nowhere near as bad as they tried to make it sound. They were right about the running in vikings to kill the colossi, but thats a very easy thing to say and a very risky thing to do since you cant be sure there are no stalkers, and as viking move over the P base he'll have time for one warpin round. It wasnt exactly the best game ever but both players certainly played better than they tried to make it sound. In short, hongun forfeited his colossi to win the ground battle with zealot/archon. And it succeeded brilliantly.
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
July 05 2011 13:08 GMT
#1874
Wow...I think today is a perfect example (along with MKP's group, and countless past GSL's) of why Code S Ro32 needs to be Bo3 in the same group format.

Just as a counterpoint: both MC and July in Dreamhack, had their games been Bo1's in the group stages, wouldn't have even made it out of their group.
Sleec
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia42 Posts
July 05 2011 13:08 GMT
#1875
On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.

Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo.


there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack


He had an observer with supernova's army the whole time, he can easily warp in a bunch of stalkers to deal with the vikings. My god some of these posts in this thread have lowered my IQ
Dommk
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia4865 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-05 13:08:39
July 05 2011 13:08 GMT
#1876
On July 05 2011 22:06 Herry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.

Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo.


there was a timing of about 5 minutes where supernova could have completely destroyed hongun in every way but he just didnt attack

I doubt it. The viking count was still too low to snipe any Colossus, Supernova would have lost if he engaged
Talho
Profile Joined August 2010
Belgium592 Posts
July 05 2011 13:08 GMT
#1877
On July 05 2011 22:04 Sleec wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 05 2011 22:03 NguN wrote:
On July 05 2011 22:01 Sleec wrote:
Sigh...Hongun is using Archons to kill the vikings, does Artosis really think Hongun is this stupid?


...

Explain the big 5 minute timing where he didn't have templar tech and no anti-air, and Supernova had 8+ Vikings.


It's not hard to just warp in a bunch of stalkers



it actually is, he could have sniped those 4 colos easily, even if he lost half of his vikings it wouldnt matter, and in reality he'd probably lose 1-2 even with warping in 3-4 stalkers
pdd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Australia9933 Posts
July 05 2011 13:08 GMT
#1878
Btw guys, while we're on the topic of oGs Terrans, the GSTL starters for this week have been released and guess who's starting for oGs?

최연식 also known as (T)TheStC.

Gonna be his first televised game. Get excited and hyped

http://esports.gomtv.com/gsl/community/view.gom?mbid=1&msgid=18982&p=1
TI4 Champions: EE-Sama | B7-God | A-God_2000 | Kappa Lord | pieliedie
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
July 05 2011 13:09 GMT
#1879
On July 05 2011 22:05 Husnan wrote:
I don't know why Tastosis kept being so critical of HongUn, this game seems pretty brilliant from him.

Bait 10 vikings, with phoenixes and a few colossi, but only make chargelots and archons to rape everything on the ground.. That was damn good imo.


the problem is that he only built the templar archive after ~12 minutes. Supernova could have been dropping him all the time before that, because he had absolutly no anti air to stop drops.

Also 4 colossi aren't "a few", those were basically the backbone of his army before he built the archives.

Hungon skipped a necessary part of his army in the hopes that Supernova wouldn't attack before he had the eco to make Archons. It was a risky build that worked out, because Supernova completly ignored all the information his drops should have given him.
Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
July 05 2011 13:09 GMT
#1880
On July 05 2011 22:06 bbQ4Aiur wrote:
I personally think what HongUn did totally make sense, first if u re-make a stargate for phenoix, u are already behind in air force, if u double stargate phenoix, there wont be enough resource for collosi and stuff. And Viking is only for countering collosi, they are basically useless after all collosi fall, so why bother making counter to viking, just let the collosi deal the damage and die. Stalkers dont make sense as well cause tanks and marauders melts them.


The problem is he could have flown in with his vikings before the battle even started and just killed every collosus flown away then attacked and rolled him over. Instead the collosus got fought during the battle and they were able to do a TON of damage before being taken out. This was because Supernova clearly thought there HAD to be something to fight the vikings when in reality there wasnt so he should just use them to kill everyhing they can.
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