EPTOn June 26 2011 03:43 Cryhavoc wrote:
naNi not wearing noise canceling headphones
naNi not wearing noise canceling headphones
Not in the same room as the casters...
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fizzgig_
Sweden162 Posts
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FaRess
Tunisia937 Posts
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PDizzle
Denmark1754 Posts
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:43 Cryhavoc wrote: naNi not wearing noise canceling headphones They aren't near the casters. | ||
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Nik0
Uruguay460 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:39 Legend` wrote: Well its a well known fact that zerg players complain the most lol. For some reason they think amoving with roaches takes more skill than going blink stalkers and actually have to -gasp- MICRO Logic usually helps but I think most of them just watch idra everyday and believes everything he says. They complain the most because they play zerg. | ||
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HolydaKing
21254 Posts
He isn't that wrong, what's hard though is to macro while doing it. You shouldn't forget to macro which is hard enough. | ||
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Sovetsky Soyuz
Russian Federation905 Posts
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mholden02
387 Posts
This game is the icing on the cake to a myriad of games i've been experiencing in tournaments/ladder. I really have no idea how to approach this problem if anyone has any advice that would be swelll. You can't get fungal while making enough units to stop the blink stalkers. Perhaps if Idra knew huk would push when he did he could have had time to reach fungal but as it was I just don't see what you do against that. Huk goes nexus first into a probe cutting 6gate blink stalker allin. The nature of blink stalker allins is that you can't sustain a defence for it over a long period of time, the protoss wears you down regardless of an economical advantage (as you saw in that game). As such you have to crush the first attack all at once and therefore need to cut workers and begin unit production asap. In this game Idra managed to sneak a scout in and saw the gateway timing and the twilight, so he knew that huk was cutting probes to allin. Due to the super fortunate timing of idra's ling scout he managed to be able to cut drones at essentially the same level that huk cut probes which is roughly ideal for blink stalker defense ZvP. As Huk knew his strat was given away, he threw down a nexus and resumed probe production while finishing off his tech, denying scouting and faking pressure with his first group of blink stalkers. After a short period of time Idra became aware of the third and redroned, making up the 3 base saturation before huk came back oncreep with his blink stalkers. From here it's just a tale of super cost efficiency, Idra was ahead economically (up over 10 workers mining at essentially optimal saturation) was up a significant amount of supply (a given with a roach defense i guess) and his composition was the best considering the previous situation. he didn't have time to get a significant amount of infestors and Hydras are a non option after that earlygame. Huk's blink micro was very far from perfect but he stilll ran idra over with ease. This was not an engagement that was remotely close. If you gave idra 10 more roaches Huk would just wear him down longer. TL: DR ; What DO YOU DO in Idra's situation?! I don't see how those blink stalkers are stoppable. Any kind of allin answer or completely commit and flank gets nullified by huk's sentry count and leaves you kind of helpless. THIS. True, even if you told Zergs a blink stalker 6 gate or variation of was comming, they probabley can't stop it if the player has decent control, not even great control. Therse no time to tech to infestor, and have any units to defend. Its a tough cookie. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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arachnidd
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BlindDruid
Germany653 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:43 Cryhavoc wrote: naNi not wearing noise canceling headphones he is sitting 3 rooms away of the casters. | ||
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Allwars
164 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:40 oogieogie wrote: people are complaining about PvZ and P going mass blink stalkers while zerg can't seem to do anything about it. I am glad that TvP is different. What else can a zerg do instead of building roaches at that point? He even didn't have 6 gases at least. If he made hydras, he wouldn't have enough numbers of them, same with infestors, so the only solution is roach/ling, and it's not enough for blink stalkers, with support of sentries. | ||
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TI79
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Legend`
Canada381 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:40 Piski wrote: How zerg should be microing their roaches against blink stalkers? :o He had obs there so no burrow play and he were backing away quite well. I'm seriously curious. I dont think blink stalkers are imba or anything but I just want to know how to micro roaches against blink stalkers? That's exactly the point - you DONT micro roaches against blink stalkers. It's a lot easier for the zerg to just send armies to fight the protoss and not pay any attention whatsoever than for the protoss to do the same thing. For protoss to fight mass roaches you need: 1: favourable position/arc 2: favourable upgrades (because rarely will you have more blink stalkers than roaches due to roaches being 75/25) 3: good micro. Anything above 15-20 roaches do incredible dps vs stalkers and it actually isn't as easy as it seems to micro and reinforce at the same time. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote: Actually HuK did have an obvs so Burrow wouldn't have helped that much in this game. And the spine crawlers would have down wonders, place them down around the gas and just gather your army around them and block the ramp from a run by. The range+Dmg of spinecrawlers instantly deny HuK's harras IMO eh, ok so disregard the burrow and creep spread things. regardless, roach speed and infestors could have been earlier thing about spine crawlers is that you build them, protoss pulls back and techs up off even base to zerg and what do those spine crawlers do now? making that many blink stalkers isn't allin, there is no point in the game where they aren't useful and he got a robo and 3rd behind it. | ||
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isbunk
Sweden1017 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:38 Damian wrote: + Demuslim + HasuObs, they are doing a great job. But the other casting trios were good, too (like triple liquid ;D) alsong as demuslim is not casting his own friends and is biased during casts = very good. | ||
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Soap
Brazil1546 Posts
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oogieogie
United States3657 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:39 Sawofhackness wrote: All I remember is Idra saying protoss are unbeatable v zerg, then Losira beating MC right after And now Stephano just beats White-RA and I'm a zerg player Sorry I never partake in these balance discussions, but whats to discuss really people are probably wondering if blink stalkers are too effective vs zerg, and how should zerg deal with them when roach ling, roach ling infestor, and roach hydra doesn't work. | ||
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
On June 26 2011 03:43 arachnidd wrote: I think ToD and Samuel L. Jackson casting would be a good duo. FUCK!!!,, someone call SL.J and get him to cast some event,, !!!! NOWW!!! | ||
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BlindDruid
Germany653 Posts
Watch the VODs of stephano vs HUK when they come out. | ||
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