This pro/against korean talk is sooo childish... obviously Huk ain't korean, he's winning because: 1) He's practiced his ass off. 2) He's obviously a rather talented individual. 3) He knows the korean style very well.
It might be near impossible to accomplish 1) and 3) without being and playing in Korea, but 2) is only his. How many korean players -- or foreign players currently in Korea -- are able to go through Huk's bracket losing a single game? very few I'd say. Give Huk some credit for his performance and stop being petty.
So you got no idea how the argentina schools work. The best players from age 5-6 get recruited into those schools.
Messi was allrdy a wunderkid when he was 13 just like Maradona was when he was 10. just like Ronaldo was when he was 15 and moved to Amsterdam
Plz stop talking about football stick to sc2
yes, those 6 early years obviously has meant a lot more for him than the 11 he have had in spain. lol.
Do you see the sprints nad rythm changes where he breaks the defence? It's a product from La Masia.
yep, seems that drugs are better in Spain than in other countries nowadays (joking aside, it's a real problem in spanish sport, with a bigger extend than most of the other countries)
So you believe Barcelona are doped? Not disagreeing with you, but I think they just pay refs IMO XD
Professionnal soccer is quite silly imo, there is like no control and so much money... Maybe we're going to see a lot of prematurate death in 20years ;D (surely)
Indeed my love for the sport can't blind me from how horrible it has gotten lately. I love watching my childhood club fail time and time again (Feyenoord lol), but with even my beloved premiership falling to money Soccer/Football as a whole is starting to interest me less and less. I really hope the financial fairplay helps, but looking at the recent purchases by clubs I doubt it will.
/off topic Didn't heard a lot about Feyenoord recently :/ Imo the recent purchases are just a reaction to the financial fairplay, last time that you can explode the chart. But anyway, FIFA/UEFA are fine with corruption( lol Qatar/Russia, brackets for the CL and so on) cause there is so much dirty money in soccer. The different agent and cie have such wierd contracts... no way that this is clean.
/off topic But france is okay right? I think with all the different teams winning it must be incredibly fun to watch.
/off topic No it's horrible. In fact there is 3 teams which have an offensive mindset, and 17 which consider that defense is the first step. Their is drama ect... because it's really okay, but the quality of the games ><
/off topic
All professional soccer is horrible because of no salary cap and teams just buying all the good players from diff. countries instead of investing into their own youth programs. :x
On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote: This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.
Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.
People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"
Bullshit.
Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea.
Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously.
This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind.
Well, that's actually bullshit as well.
If you look at the Korean vs Foreigner winnings statistics, Koreans have won far far more.
And also it isn't just about playing the game and winning as much as possible as soon as possible.
None of the US players are at the peak of their skill, they should go to Korea and get good. Once they feel that a skill plateau is incoming they can go to the West to take down the lesser tournies (which also pay out way less)
Because it's that easy. Goodbye family and friends, whole lifestyle, bills, commitments/dependents, culture, girlfriend if i have one, country i love... etc etc... I'm just gonna drop everything and move over to a country where i don't speak a word of the spoken language and try and compete for 1 tournament. It will for a long time probably cost me more money than i make but what the hell, there's a chance i might be better for it so it's worth the risk.
Well, Huk's investment just gave him a shot at winning Dreamhack so it's not just 1 tournament. There's nothing stopping people from taking the skills they acquire and competing in foreign tournaments. Think of it as a future investment in tournament winnings. Look at Idra. You think he would be doing as well as he does without the time and effort he put in while in Korea? He's basically been living off his training disparity for his entire SC2 career. He only needs 3 hours to maintain his edge over other foreigners. And now he just wants the easy money instead of continuing his quest to be the best.
Yes, it is a investment that could pay off. But for some people, it's an investment they cannot do. For plenty of reasons like the ones i mentioned earlier. And there isn't even a guarantee you'll be better for it either. Ret went to Korea in BW a fantastic player but it didn't suit his lifestyle at all, and he didn't really improve. You can't just say 'If you want to be good you've got no choice but to go to Korea and if you don't. You have no ambition and just want the easy money.' Because that's just a ridiculous statement. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time now, played against the likes of NiP in CS and i'm in GM in SCII plus been to a ton of lans. During those i've met and spoken to a ton of Pro Gamers (Such as SeleCT from SCII <3).And in every genre the one thing every player i've met and spoken to has in common that is at the top, is that they all want to be the best. It doesn't mean they'd all go to Korea though because for some, it just isn't possible.
I'm not making an either/or statement. You're taking it a step further with that "no ambition and easy money" remark. I understand a lot of pros just have too much stuff going on at home where they can't just drop everything and move. But sad to say, the scene won't meld to their wishes. They'll have to hope that enough foreigners do come back and re-inject their acquired skills and training methods into the NA and European scenes so the rest of us will have a chance. I'm saying the people who DO have a choice and are borderline should take Huk's results to heart. Look at Huk pre-Korea and post-Korea. That's the potential payoff. It may not happen for everyone but if you're at the point in your life where things are still flexible, do it.
EDIT: Oh, and if it wasn't clear, my own easy money remark was a specific crack at Idra. He admits, himself, that he significantly dipped in his own training. Back in Korea, he talks about 8-10 hour days. Then it's suddenly 3 hours. Wtf? That just means he doesn't think he needs to do more to beat foreigners and they're "easy money".
Huk just has an advantage in terms of not feeling mortal terror at the thought of playing Koreans because he plays against them constantly. Also, he's a baller good player. But dude's certainly Canadian/American. Sorry, I'm claiming him as an American in addition to acknowledging his Canadian(ness?) since he said he immigrated to Canada from here.
On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote: This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.
Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.
People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"
Bullshit.
Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea.
Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously.
This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind.
Well, that's actually bullshit as well.
If you look at the Korean vs Foreigner winnings statistics, Koreans have won far far more.
And also it isn't just about playing the game and winning as much as possible as soon as possible.
None of the US players are at the peak of their skill, they should go to Korea and get good. Once they feel that a skill plateau is incoming they can go to the West to take down the lesser tournies (which also pay out way less)
Because it's that easy. Goodbye family and friends, whole lifestyle, bills, commitments/dependents, culture, girlfriend if i have one, country i love... etc etc... I'm just gonna drop everything and move over to a country where i don't speak a word of the spoken language and try and compete for 1 tournament. It will for a long time probably cost me more money than i make but what the hell, there's a chance i might be better for it so it's worth the risk.
Well, Huk's investment just gave him a shot at winning Dreamhack so it's not just 1 tournament. There's nothing stopping people from taking the skills they acquire and competing in foreign tournaments. Think of it as a future investment in tournament winnings. Look at Idra. You think he would be doing as well as he does without the time and effort he put in while in Korea? He's basically been living off his training disparity for his entire SC2 career. He only needs 3 hours to maintain his edge over other foreigners. And now he just wants the easy money instead of continuing his quest to be the best.
Yes, it is a investment that could pay off. But for some people, it's an investment they cannot do. For plenty of reasons like the ones i mentioned earlier. And there isn't even a guarantee you'll be better for it either. Ret went to Korea in BW a fantastic player but it didn't suit his lifestyle at all, and he didn't really improve. You can't just say 'If you want to be good you've got no choice but to go to Korea and if you don't. You have no ambition and just want the easy money.' Because that's just a ridiculous statement. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time now, played against the likes of NiP in CS and i'm in GM in SCII plus been to a ton of lans. During those i've met and spoken to a ton of Pro Gamers (Such as SeleCT from SCII <3).And in every genre the one thing every player i've met and spoken to has in common that is at the top, is that they all want to be the best. It doesn't mean they'd all go to Korea though because for some, it just isn't possible.
People who want to be the best will do what's needed to be the best. People who desire to be the best will just be top players. Ambition is nothing if you've no will.
Okay, so for pro gamers that for example that have a family... Children, a wife or long term partner. Or a mortgage, or anything of that sort. Are you really suggesting they should leave all that behind to move to Korea? And if they don't it's because they no ambition/will to be good at the game? -____-
There's a very large difference between wanting to be the best and wanting to be good at the game. If you want to be the best, you make sacrifices and devote everything to that end.
On June 20 2011 21:28 RubiksCube wrote: At least HuK didnt play War3 or it would've been twice the dicussion FOREIGN WAR 3 BEATING KOREAN BW! OMFG BBQ
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On June 20 2011 21:30 s4life wrote: This pro/against korean talk is sooo childish... obviously Huk ain't korean, he's winning because: 1) He's practiced his ass off. 2) He's obviously a rather talented individual. 3) He knows the korean style very well.
It might be near impossible to accomplish 1) and 3) without being and playing in Korea, but 2) is only his. How many korean players -- or foreign players currently in Korea -- are able to go through Huk's bracket losing a single game? very few I'd say. Give Huk some credit for his performance and stop being petty.
I agree. Most people give so much credit to his "korean" training (which is due, to some extent), but I feel they keep forgetting that before it all and deep inside, Hulk is a damn good player.
On June 20 2011 21:13 qwaykee wrote: people should focus more on being happy for Huk rather then discussing things like if he's korean or not. it's insignificant
He wasn't born in Korea nor have korean citizenship, there is no discussion, just plain trolling and internet ignorance.
i wasn't born in the country that both my parents were born in nor do i have citizenship of that country. am i not the same nationality as them?
Holy shit, Huks parents are Korean? That changes everything!
No, they aren't. Fucking troll...
Notice the exclamation point also known as the [ ! ] symbol? Its usage involves hyperbole.
Moon is starting to show some good form now.
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Not disagreeing with you, but I think they just pay refs IMO XD 
