On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote: This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.
Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.
People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"
Bullshit.
Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea.
Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously.
This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind.
Well, that's actually bullshit as well.
If you look at the Korean vs Foreigner winnings statistics, Koreans have won far far more.
And also it isn't just about playing the game and winning as much as possible as soon as possible.
None of the US players are at the peak of their skill, they should go to Korea and get good. Once they feel that a skill plateau is incoming they can go to the West to take down the lesser tournies (which also pay out way less)
Because it's that easy. Goodbye family and friends, whole lifestyle, bills, commitments/dependents, culture, girlfriend if i have one, country i love... etc etc... I'm just gonna drop everything and move over to a country where i don't speak a word of the spoken language and try and compete for 1 tournament. It will for a long time probably cost me more money than i make but what the hell, there's a chance i might be better for it so it's worth the risk.
Well, Huk's investment just gave him a shot at winning Dreamhack so it's not just 1 tournament. There's nothing stopping people from taking the skills they acquire and competing in foreign tournaments. Think of it as a future investment in tournament winnings. Look at Idra. You think he would be doing as well as he does without the time and effort he put in while in Korea? He's basically been living off his training disparity for his entire SC2 career. He only needs 3 hours to maintain his edge over other foreigners. And now he just wants the easy money instead of continuing his quest to be the best.
Yes, it is a investment that could pay off. But for some people, it's an investment they cannot do. For plenty of reasons like the ones i mentioned earlier. And there isn't even a guarantee you'll be better for it either. Ret went to Korea in BW a fantastic player but it didn't suit his lifestyle at all, and he didn't really improve. You can't just say 'If you want to be good you've got no choice but to go to Korea and if you don't. You have no ambition and just want the easy money.' Because that's just a ridiculous statement. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time now, played against the likes of NiP in CS and i'm in GM in SCII plus been to a ton of lans. During those i've met and spoken to a ton of Pro Gamers (Such as SeleCT from SCII <3).And in every genre the one thing every player i've met and spoken to has in common that is at the top, is that they all want to be the best. It doesn't mean they'd all go to Korea though because for some, it just isn't possible.
People who want to be the best will do what's needed to be the best. People who desire to be the best will just be top players. Ambition is nothing if you've no will.
Okay, so for pro gamers that for example that have a family... Children, a wife or long term partner. Or a mortgage, or anything of that sort. Are you really suggesting they should leave all that behind to move to Korea? And if they don't it's because they no ambition/will to be good at the game? -____-
They just have to be reallistic, and get goals which suit their lifestyle. If you cannot be the best, just adjust your ambition to what you're able to accomplished. Dreamers are useless, just be realistic when it comes to your capacities. But acknoledge it seems hard sometimes...
On June 20 2011 21:27 frucisky wrote: Moon's ZvP is better than his ZvT I believe but should never under-estimate him. He's one of those players who can play amazing or play horribly.
He plays a style similar to Losira, which means he uses Roaches quite often and he does not have good Mutalisk-play compared to other Korean Z.
A pure ground based style vs Terran is just not as strong imo, you lack mobility vs drops and Tanks are way too good. A Terran like Bomber should capitalize on that.
On June 20 2011 21:32 Nivity wrote: Kinda sad they are showing morrow vs bischu on dream arena like they should have with the Main tournament.
yes lol why is some random placement match played on the extreme arena and the semis are casted from a fucking tent and the players are in a different building
On June 20 2011 20:46 Gheizen64 wrote: This topic is so stupid to read.
Suddendly people think the nation where you play has to determine your nationality. It isn't like this in ANY sport, so please stfu. If people move to a nation with better infrastructures for training they don't change nationality. Messi and Ronaldo isn't spanish , they play in spanish teams. Same goes for Huk, he isn't Korean for the mother of god, he play in a korean team.
I couldn't care less about who win but the fanboysm in this thread is making me puke.
Yeah and it isn't about nationality but practice environment / scene.
People like iNcontroL and IdrA have been spouting nonsense like "Korea isn't the place to be"
Bullshit.
Yeah if you wanna feast on the scraps and be a B-class player, stay in the US or wherever, but if you wanna take the big tournies and be the best player you can be there is absolutely no alternative to going to Korea.
Couldn't have put it better my friend. If us non-koreans ever establish anything close to the training/tournament system they have set-up. I might start taking iNcontrols, IdrA, demuslim etc comments seriously.
This is just silly, InControl and the whole EG team have said that they really want to ramp up their practice schedule and will be creating their own team house to achieve a Korean-like regiment for the next MLG. Clearly they think that style of practicing has value. HOWEVER, what InControl and Idra were actually saying is that the TOURNAMENT scene of Korea isn't worth it because of the lack of tournaments and time commitment per payoff. The west has tons of cash up and way better opportunity for the team to do well and attract attention to them and their sponsors. Try to not misquote people when you have your axe to grind.
Well, that's actually bullshit as well.
If you look at the Korean vs Foreigner winnings statistics, Koreans have won far far more.
And also it isn't just about playing the game and winning as much as possible as soon as possible.
None of the US players are at the peak of their skill, they should go to Korea and get good. Once they feel that a skill plateau is incoming they can go to the West to take down the lesser tournies (which also pay out way less)
Because it's that easy. Goodbye family and friends, whole lifestyle, bills, commitments/dependents, culture, girlfriend if i have one, country i love... etc etc... I'm just gonna drop everything and move over to a country where i don't speak a word of the spoken language and try and compete for 1 tournament. It will for a long time probably cost me more money than i make but what the hell, there's a chance i might be better for it so it's worth the risk.
Well, Huk's investment just gave him a shot at winning Dreamhack so it's not just 1 tournament. There's nothing stopping people from taking the skills they acquire and competing in foreign tournaments. Think of it as a future investment in tournament winnings. Look at Idra. You think he would be doing as well as he does without the time and effort he put in while in Korea? He's basically been living off his training disparity for his entire SC2 career. He only needs 3 hours to maintain his edge over other foreigners. And now he just wants the easy money instead of continuing his quest to be the best.
Yes, it is a investment that could pay off. But for some people, it's an investment they cannot do. For plenty of reasons like the ones i mentioned earlier. And there isn't even a guarantee you'll be better for it either. Ret went to Korea in BW a fantastic player but it didn't suit his lifestyle at all, and he didn't really improve. You can't just say 'If you want to be good you've got no choice but to go to Korea and if you don't. You have no ambition and just want the easy money.' Because that's just a ridiculous statement. I've been in competitive gaming for a long time now, played against the likes of NiP in CS and i'm in GM in SCII plus been to a ton of lans. During those i've met and spoken to a ton of Pro Gamers (Such as SeleCT from SCII <3).And in every genre the one thing every player i've met and spoken to has in common that is at the top, is that they all want to be the best. It doesn't mean they'd all go to Korea though because for some, it just isn't possible.
People who want to be the best will do what's needed to be the best. People who desire to be the best will just be top players. Ambition is nothing if you've no will.
Okay, so for pro gamers that for example that have a family... Children, a wife or long term partner. Or a mortgage, or anything of that sort. Are you really suggesting they should leave all that behind to move to Korea? And if they don't it's because they no ambition/will to be good at the game? -____-
People move away from their families to get a better job or due to their job all the time. How would SC2 be different?
HuK is definitely not the best foreigner. After losing to HasuObs in the TSL Sjow in the last Dreamhack Getting destroyed by Idra in a favorable extended series at MLG Getting beaten by Socke so many times.
Now he beats PredY (arguably easiest draw) then Socke (about time he beat Socke once) and July (okay ONE good result) and he's the best :S?
On June 20 2011 20:56 ribboo wrote: [quote] yes, those 6 early years obviously has meant a lot more for him than the 11 he have had in spain. lol.
Do you see the sprints nad rythm changes where he breaks the defence? It's a product from La Masia.
yep, seems that drugs are better in Spain than in other countries nowadays (joking aside, it's a real problem in spanish sport, with a bigger extend than most of the other countries)
So you believe Barcelona are doped? Not disagreeing with you, but I think they just pay refs IMO XD
Professionnal soccer is quite silly imo, there is like no control and so much money... Maybe we're going to see a lot of prematurate death in 20years ;D (surely)
Indeed my love for the sport can't blind me from how horrible it has gotten lately. I love watching my childhood club fail time and time again (Feyenoord lol), but with even my beloved premiership falling to money Soccer/Football as a whole is starting to interest me less and less. I really hope the financial fairplay helps, but looking at the recent purchases by clubs I doubt it will.
/off topic Didn't heard a lot about Feyenoord recently :/ Imo the recent purchases are just a reaction to the financial fairplay, last time that you can explode the chart. But anyway, FIFA/UEFA are fine with corruption( lol Qatar/Russia, brackets for the CL and so on) cause there is so much dirty money in soccer. The different agent and cie have such wierd contracts... no way that this is clean.
/off topic But france is okay right? I think with all the different teams winning it must be incredibly fun to watch.
/off topic No it's horrible. In fact there is 3 teams which have an offensive mindset, and 17 which consider that defense is the first step. Their is drama ect... because it's really okay, but the quality of the games ><
/off topic
All professional soccer is horrible because of no salary cap and teams just buying all the good players from diff. countries instead of investing into their own youth programs. :x
/off topic. There is still nation matches, and Germany was great this last years
EPT
Bomber vs Moon 
Not disagreeing with you, but I think they just pay refs IMO XD 
