On June 19 2011 16:08 Mise wrote: So who is IOvShinyStar and why does the OP link to his account in SC ranks? Some ladder star who managed to get through?
He doesn't have a TLPD entry yet. He's not on a team yet, but judging by previous teamless Code A qualifiers, he'll probably be picked up soon enough.
On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote: double elimination would be better.
What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through.
Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated.
A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket.
gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination.
there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01.
i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players.
What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Yeah.. it is. Round robin is best. Nobody said anything about time constraints.
lol, round robin for a qualifier? so people need to play 16*15 bo3 just to get 1 winner for code a spot? Great idea!
On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote: double elimination would be better.
What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through.
Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated.
A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket.
gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination.
there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01.
i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players.
What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Absolutely. The more games you play, the more likely it is that the cream is going to rise to the top.
There is a reason why most tournaments are single eli, they are practical.
On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote: double elimination would be better.
What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through.
Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated.
A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket.
gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination.
there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01.
i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players.
What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Yeah.. it is. Round robin is best. Nobody said anything about time constraints.
lol, round robin for a qualifier? so people need to play 16*15 bo3 just to get 1 winner for code a spot? Great idea!
Bo5 is also better than Bo3. Wait Bo7 is even better.
On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote: double elimination would be better.
What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through.
Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated.
A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket.
gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination.
there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01.
i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players.
What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Absolutely. The more games you play, the more likely it is that the cream is going to rise to the top.
There is a reason why most tournaments are single eli, they are practical.
And also less accurate in terms of crowning the better player... You can't have both.
On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote: double elimination would be better.
What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through.
Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated.
A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket.
gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination.
there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01.
i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players.
What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Absolutely. The more games you play, the more likely it is that the cream is going to rise to the top.
Not particularly when the skill level is already so high.
Pretty much everyone who will qualify can take games off of anyone else who qualifies. Code A only has limited slots when there are probably 50+ people who easily have the "skill" to be in it (excluding code S; 50+ people not in code S who could be in code A), and a lot can depend on luck of the day, how they feel (if they are sick), etc. Sure it is more likely I suppose, but for any practical purpose it's just extra games played with only slightly different results (Regardless of format, many people with the skill will be left behind).
On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote: double elimination would be better.
What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through.
Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated.
A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket.
gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination.
there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01.
i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players.
What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Yeah.. it is. Round robin is best. Nobody said anything about time constraints.
lol, round robin for a qualifier? so people need to play 16*15 bo3 just to get 1 winner for code a spot? Great idea!
Bo5 is also better than Bo3. Wait Bo7 is even better.
Nah, 2 bo7 is better than 1. Just like in football (or soccer) league, home and away. And we do this all in one day, last players standing (or alive) wins!
On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote: double elimination would be better.
What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through.
Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated.
A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket.
gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination.
there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01.
i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players.
What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Absolutely. The more games you play, the more likely it is that the cream is going to rise to the top.
There is a reason why most tournaments are single eli, they are practical.
And also less accurate in terms of crowning the better player... You can't have both.
if the better get eliminated because of the format, ... wait.
I expect Moonan to do pretty well, but tgun I think might have a more difficult time just because SEA server is not as competitive as KR, still I think he's doing pretty good on XNC, GL FXO
On June 19 2011 16:16 hippocritical wrote: I expect Moonan to do pretty well, but tgun I think might have a more difficult time just because SEA server is not as competitive as KR, still I think he's doing pretty good on XNC, GL FXO
i'm pretty sure before he came to korea he mainly played on the NA server.
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