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Optikzero 0-1 down vs a Terran... Artosis so baller twitting on his iPhone on CSN's stream.
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On June 19 2011 16:01 Mojar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. Bitter? Not really the fact remains that DRG didn't qualify and players that aren't even close to his skill will. That is just a fact.
lol, who are you to judge who is the best from code B, sure DRG has been playing well lately, it does not mean that there are not players just as deserving.
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Oop's misread game as match.
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On June 19 2011 16:03 Hunted wrote:Optikzero out first round 
He's 1-0 down. Still in the running.
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On June 19 2011 16:03 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
the point is it's not practical when you're running a qualification with this many players...
it's like asking that players should play bo9s in a double elimination tourny
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On June 19 2011 16:01 Mojar wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. Bitter? Not really the fact remains that DRG didn't qualify and players that aren't even close to his skill will. That is just a fact.
If he lost straight-up 0-2 in a bo3, he can only blame himself. Every tourneys in Korea run prelims like this
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On June 19 2011 16:03 Kiyo. wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable.
so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
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No DongRaeGu
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On June 19 2011 16:05 Arceus wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 16:01 Mojar wrote:On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. Bitter? Not really the fact remains that DRG didn't qualify and players that aren't even close to his skill will. That is just a fact. If he lost straight-up 0-2 in a bo3, he can only blame himself. Every tourneys in Korea run prelims like this
Agreed, there is a reason why most large tournaments are single elimination, double elimination also takes too long.
I like DRG, but from the stream, it looked like he lost pretty convincingly. There is always next time, or mlg.
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On June 19 2011 16:06 OopsOopsBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 16:03 Kiyo. wrote:On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable. so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Yeah.. it is. Round robin is best. Nobody said anything about time constraints.
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unnies why don't you add the cSN stream in OP
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On June 19 2011 16:06 OopsOopsBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 16:03 Kiyo. wrote:On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable. so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
The difference is many tournaments do double elimination and it usually leaves people happy with the results. It's all about committing the resources to doing it. Single elimination with bo3s is far too random. The issue is the player pool.
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So who is IOvShinyStar and why does the OP link to his account in SC ranks?
Some ladder star who managed to get through?
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Tgun is playing against WeMadeFOX's Soccer.
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On June 19 2011 16:07 Bear4188 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 16:06 OopsOopsBaby wrote:On June 19 2011 16:03 Kiyo. wrote:On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable. so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination. Yeah.. it is. Round robin is best. Nobody said anything about time constraints.
ugh, people were discussing that it would be better to run double elimination (first off, even if we just stopped here how is this not relevant and how does it not imply that they are asking GSL to use this format?) and second they said that GSL should adopt it and his reply was to that directly
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On June 19 2011 16:06 OopsOopsBaby wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2011 16:03 Kiyo. wrote:On June 19 2011 15:58 GTR wrote:On June 19 2011 15:57 Smurphy wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 godemperor wrote:On June 19 2011 15:52 namedplayer wrote:
double elimination would be better. What's the point? its the qualifiers, and the best players got through. Hypothetically, consider DRG, QXC and Hero to be the three greatest Starcraft 2 players in the universe. They are all placed in the same Code-A qualifier mini-bracket. All other players in the other mini-brackets pale in comparison to these three. Hypothetically, the best players will not go through because 2 of the 3 greatest players in the world are eliminated. A double elimination style qualifier would likely increase the likelihood that the best players go through. Also, a double elimination would reduce the unfortunate circumstances when two or more excellent players are placed in the same mini-bracket. gomtv don't have the time to run double elimination. there's nothing wrong with this format. it's been used for offline qualifiers for osl/msl since their inception back in 2000/01. i guess people are just bitter and are looking for excuses for their players. What? What does that have to do with anything about his point? All he is saying is that double elimination is a better way to get the best players from a tournament. That's undeniable. so according to this logic, triple elimination is even better than double elimination.
Absolutely. The more games you play, the more likely it is that the cream is going to rise to the top.
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