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On June 17 2011 11:28 -_- wrote:
What's the optimal protoss composition against mass ling into bling infestor or mutas?
Not a balance comment, just not sure what's proper. Mid game pressure with a massive wall to protect against counters?
Very hard to pressure against ling/bling builds. You need some sort of splash - Storm/Archons (and feedback for infestors) is good.
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Because of larvae mechanics zerg, if left alone, can get a sick economy about 5 minutes faster than protoss can, if left alone. Morrow had room to do all those drops and stuff because he was able to get 95 drones before Socke reached 60, and he never stopped probe production.
Common sense says that if both players are left alone, neither has an advantage, but this isn't the case against zerg. Protoss has to do damage before zerg macro kicks in. However zergs have gotten amazing at stopping 2 base pressure, and 1 base pressure is usually all-in.
Really want to see if Protoss can figure out how to beat this ling/bane/infestor play in the coming months. My guess is that zerg will have to be nerfed somehow, or protoss buffed vs this strat, this seems way too strong. Any other zerg style seems pretty balanced vs protoss, maybe a little protoss favored, but this...
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On June 17 2011 11:29 leo23 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:24 Heavenly wrote:
You can't storm when your casters are fungaled. Which is pretty stupid really. This is fake, just tested it.
Thank you for testing this. It got me confused, "zerg emp" would be nuts
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On June 17 2011 11:30 DrivE wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:30 Elefanto wrote:On June 17 2011 11:28 -_- wrote:
What's the optimal protoss composition against mass ling into bling infestor or mutas?
Not a balance comment, just not sure what's proper. Mid game pressure with a massive wall to protect against counters? Socke went the right way, zealot archon ht and some stalker. If you can add a mothership, the mothership is really really useful with cloak and vortex. But it's so freaking expensive lol until the mothership gets np'd lol
I still havent seen this in a pro game, really want to even though i normally support protoss :D
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Socke played right into Morrow's hands there. Just let him macro as much he wanted and generate waves of ling/baneling without any pressure (even on Morrow's 4th and 5th). That style isn't necessarily OP in that match up.
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On June 17 2011 11:31 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:31 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:30 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:29 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:28 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:28 Drazerk wrote:Final match now starting  Nada vs Morrow  First map now starting on Typhon peaks In the bottom left position is Morrow While located in the top left corner is Nada 1:40
First rax on the way for Nada 2:10Second rax now on the way 3:00Hatch then pool for morrow who has scouted the 2 rax
4:00
Nada loses his Scv
Nada not attacking now
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I don't particularly care for either player, but I'm cheering for Nada on this one.
If Nada gets aggressive, he can do some real damage now :O
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On June 17 2011 11:28 Chicane wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:26 Garth wrote:On June 17 2011 11:25 SkullZ9 wrote:On June 17 2011 11:23 AndAgain wrote:
Wow... I want a public apology from zergs for saying that toss is op in pvz. Morrow was one of the big offenders, if I recall. Yeah but compare all Morrow has done in this game, all the drops, the macro/micro and now watch what Socke has done : turtle on 3 bases ... You can't judge balance on this You're right if socke had only microd/macroed better ( even tho he had no money to macro better with) and dropped banelings on morrow with his free warp prisms he would have won. Protoss has two options, turtle or all-in. Shut the fuck up. Wow... you are very defensive. You need to relax, and not tell people to shut the fuck up just because they have an opinion that differs. *Sigh* I guess now we will be seeing plenty of Protoss QQing on TL. 
Maybe a valid point if his opinion wasn't wrong.
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On June 17 2011 11:27 drox22 wrote:
I'm mainly a terran player and only play protoss every now and then, but this looks almost unbeatable for protoss. I'm not going to complain about balance, since I don't know a lot about PvZ but the protoss seemed to have no chance at all and I'm really wondering... what can you do to beat this style that morrow was using?
There are really good timings to punish zerg early like the blink stalkers. That's why we see a lot of toss favor blink play instead of colossus these days, especially MC. You also need really great awareness, control, and positioning. Definitely a lot more than zerg has to do, but it is definitely not unbeatable.
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On June 17 2011 11:31 PigglyWinks wrote:
I laugh at the thought of Morrow and July flying halway across the earth to face off in a bo3 ZvZ. I don't think the loser would be particularly pleased.
Maybe Morrow might go Terran again for the match up XD
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On June 17 2011 11:32 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:31 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:31 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:30 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:29 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:28 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:28 Drazerk wrote:Final match now starting Nada vs Morrow First map now starting on Typhon peaks In the bottom left position is Morrow While located in the top left corner is Nada 1:40
First rax on the way for Nada 2:10Second rax now on the way 3:00Hatch then pool for morrow who has scouted the 2 rax 4:00 Nada loses his Scv Nada not attacking now
5:00
Speeed on the way for Morrow
Nada getting an expansion
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On June 17 2011 11:31 Joedaddy wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:26 Ahelvin wrote:On June 17 2011 11:24 blade55555 wrote:On June 17 2011 11:24 Heavenly wrote:
You can't storm when your casters are fungaled. Which is pretty stupid really. you serious? I didn't know that, but I thought he used the templars for feedback anyway in that battle. I think you're wrong sir, spellcasters can use their spells AFAIK, Fungal just prevent state changes (Siege/Unsiege, Land/Unland, and so on...) Tested with Unit Tester and... Templar can cast storm while fungal'd. Tanks can NOT seige/unsiege while fungal'd.
Yeah, nevermind then.
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Morrow has supply-blocked himself a few times already...
Nada decides not to go attack and pulls back :S
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Wasn't 480p available as free stream up until now or am I mistaken?
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On June 17 2011 11:27 doihy wrote:
morrow will baneling bust nada, 100 percent.
I think youre right sir 
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On June 17 2011 11:29 Diks wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:27 doihy wrote:
morrow will baneling bust nada, 100 percent. I bet you 10$ he won't
you were saying? Morrow does this every time I watch him zvt lol.
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On June 17 2011 11:33 Drazerk wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:32 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:31 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:31 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:30 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:29 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:28 Drazerk wrote:On June 17 2011 11:28 Drazerk wrote:Final match now starting Nada vs Morrow First map now starting on Typhon peaks In the bottom left position is Morrow While located in the top left corner is Nada 1:40
First rax on the way for Nada 2:10Second rax now on the way 3:00Hatch then pool for morrow who has scouted the 2 rax 4:00 Nada loses his Scv Nada not attacking now 5:00 Speeed on the way for Morrow Nada getting an expansion
6:00
Nada getting both gases
Baneling nest on the way for Morrow
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On June 17 2011 11:32 Tetyl wrote:
Socke played right into Morrow's hands there. Just let him macro as much he wanted and generate waves of ling/baneling without any pressure (even on Morrow's 4th and 5th). That style isn't necessarily OP in that match up.
And just how do you propose to pressure against the sheer cost-effectiveness of ling/bling at that stage of the game?
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LOL as predicted the banelings are coming
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On June 17 2011 11:32 Vimsey wrote:Show nested quote +On June 17 2011 11:30 DrivE wrote:On June 17 2011 11:30 Elefanto wrote:On June 17 2011 11:28 -_- wrote:
What's the optimal protoss composition against mass ling into bling infestor or mutas?
Not a balance comment, just not sure what's proper. Mid game pressure with a massive wall to protect against counters? Socke went the right way, zealot archon ht and some stalker. If you can add a mothership, the mothership is really really useful with cloak and vortex. But it's so freaking expensive lol until the mothership gets np'd lol I still havent seen this in a pro game, really want to even though i normally support protoss :D
thats what hts for feedback are
of course if you mess up your done lol
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